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April 14, 2009 12:25:30 AM

Hello,
I am new to these forums and i come here in need of help =(.

I have recently bought a new mobo and cpu. installed the 2 items, formatted and all tha good stuff. everything worked great for about 2 days. now my sytem runs slower than my old system. which is driving me crazy! the new system is an amd x2 7750 be 2.7Ghz cpu, and the old was an amd sempron running at 1.6Ghz.

When i start the system, the loading screen for windows takes forever. and then when i try to play a game like World of warcraft, it will often lockup in the loading screen of the game. nothing is overclocked. the chipset seems to be very hot, although im sure that is normal. if i turn off the system and let is sit for a while it seems to ok for a bit then pulls the same tricky little "HAHA" act of taking forever and locking up.

I know that this sounds like an overheating problem but nothing is over heating. all temps are in perfectly fine zones.

anyways, heres my set up......


Mobo: Biostar A760G M2+

CPU: AMD Athlon X2 7750 BE

GPU: Geforce 9500GT Verto

HDD: WDC 320G

PSU: Dynex 400w


PLS PLS PLS, i beg of you for your help. if you have any further questions, or i have not provided enough info, pls just ask and i will tell you. i am desperate at this point, and contemplating buying a gallon of gasoline and having a PC bonfire.

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April 14, 2009 12:32:49 AM

How many amps does the sticker on your power supply list? Could be part of the issue.
April 14, 2009 12:37:42 AM

well there is lots of different amps that are listed on the sticker. the power supply supports the multi core processors. which amps on the sticker are you asking about?
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April 14, 2009 2:16:27 AM

im sorry i dont know what you mean by 12v rail/s.
April 14, 2009 2:20:10 AM

1. Bad hard drive
2. Inadequate power or bad PSU
3. Overheating (maybe)

Start ruling these out

I checked biostar's webpage for temp monitoring software but no luck(cheap whores), maybe someone can recommend a freebie utility for RockyJ?
April 14, 2009 2:27:21 AM

djcoolmasterx said:
12v rail/s


Not sure that it is actually power...unless the psu is a piece of crap.

The 9500GT doesn't require additional power.
April 14, 2009 3:02:13 AM

if windows takes forever to load id check ur startup programs and services for anything that looks suspicious. ( Windows key + R, then type MSCONFIG ) If so install a good anti virus program , note: not Norton or AVG. also update your video drivers.

http://avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

Avast Home Edition Free ( what i use )
April 14, 2009 4:01:23 AM

^ +1, I use Avast! too and I love it, lightweight and effecient great support team fast updates and best of all LOTS of shields like Email, Internet, Instant Messaging, Standard Sytem Shields. Great AV program IMO. That Dynex PSU i searched up shoes 2, 12V rails with 14A on one and 15A on another. This totals 29AMPS. Looks like it might be inadequate. This is pretty much a generic PSU because Dynex is NOT a special PSU manufacturer. Go with something like Corsair. Even that Corsair 550W PSU will do you well. Go Corsair or PC Power and Cooling.
April 14, 2009 4:51:13 AM

google HWMoniter, download and run. Check your temps. Check your voltages.
April 14, 2009 5:42:51 AM

Also might wanna try a program called SpeedFan, its very accurate when telling your temps, except for quads i tihnk
April 14, 2009 8:43:21 AM

Ok, well let me say this, the power supply worked fine for about a week, the whole comp worked fine, now im having all these issues. is my mobo failing? is my CPU failing? is maybe the PSU failing? as ive stated before, im ready to burn this mother down and jump on it while its burning. I really appreciate all the info that you have all given me.

another thing, how ouwld i know if my hard drive is bad?

also when it does freeze up the led on the front stays lit up, like its computing but like i said, its frozen. not sure if that help any.
April 14, 2009 9:03:45 AM

sorry to post twice but why not avg? is that not a good AV?
April 14, 2009 10:13:43 AM

Axeon said:
^ +1, I use Avast! too and I love it, lightweight and effecient great support team fast updates and best of all LOTS of shields like Email, Internet, Instant Messaging, Standard Sytem Shields. Great AV program IMO. That Dynex PSU i searched up shoes 2, 12V rails with 14A on one and 15A on another. This totals 29AMPS. Looks like it might be inadequate. This is pretty much a generic PSU because Dynex is NOT a special PSU manufacturer. Go with something like Corsair. Even that Corsair 550W PSU will do you well. Go Corsair or PC Power and Cooling.


No, you do not add the current on each rail.

You need to find the power rating for the combined rails and divide it by 12v.
April 14, 2009 10:20:19 AM

check ram how much ram have u got if u have more than 1 ram stick pull 1 out and let it it run then try the other stick
it could be any number of problem i doubt its overheating
also try
Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org

check for errors

i don't think its hard drive related but u never know
April 14, 2009 12:02:33 PM

Sorry i must have forgotten to put that in the original post. i have 2Ghz of DDR2 ram. 1ghz for each stick. and on top of that i have already checked the ram as you have suggested, well by taking out one stick at a time and trying it. I am currently formatting and reinstalling windows to see if maybe that will fix the problem. god i hope it does.

If someone could confirm whether or not i have inadequete power coming from my power supply that would be awesome, as i have no idea and cant find anything on the net about it.

Once again i have an AMD X2 7750 BE CPu and a Biostar A760G M2+ mobo, with a Dynex 400w PSU , the model number on the PSU is DX-400WPS if that helps to identify the PSU.

ANd again i would like to thank everyone who has replied with answers.

thanks =)
April 14, 2009 12:05:21 PM

RockyJ said:
Sorry i must have forgotten to put that in the original post. i have 2Ghz of DDR2 ram. 1ghz for each stick.


Amount of ram is GB (Gigabytes) not Ghz (Gigahertz).
April 14, 2009 12:38:02 PM

Did you load the onboard video drivers before installing the GeForce card? If so check in control panel that you have unloaded any driver or driver related software. Also download latest video driver for your video card from Nvidia. Uninstall current drivers and install new ones. If all else fails try Windows reinstalation with video card in the slot. Make sure that the on-board gpu is properly disabled when card is seated or turn it off in the BIOS if there is a switch.

Also make sure you have only one virus package loading. Long loading times are usually driver related. Hardware problems such as over-heating, RAM or HDD in BSOD or disk checks. PSU is not super, but has enough beef for your current config, but if you up the gpu to something with a bit more grunt, it will need to go. Again this is more likely to jump out of the game with random reboots rather than freezes. Freezes, although they can be caused by hardware failure, they are in most cases driver related.
April 14, 2009 1:35:25 PM

yes i meant GB on the RAM. my bad.

And as far as all the drivers. they were all done correclty, i actually just did a fresh install of windows on the computer, and it still is taking forever to load windows. and everything else. the game that i play is world of warcraft, and once the game is actually loaded everything is great. although its the loading that has the problems. on the reinstall i didnt even load the drivers for the onboard video, just the ones from Nvidia. all drivers are up to date, but it just seems like the CPU is lagging or maybe the RAM, i really dont know at this point. Im guessing i just have to break down and take this PoS to someone for them to look at it. Sux having to pay for someone to look at it and say, oh thats whats wrong. then i have to replace the faulty item.

If anyone has any other suggestions they would be greatly appreciated. sorry for asking and asking about this, its just very frustrating, and i appreciate all the feed back.
April 14, 2009 1:45:31 PM

There might be other potential software-related causes so windows reinstall with say newest nvidia drivers is his best option (with the onboard disabled if possible as was mentioned). Actually you should install windows first and then install servicepack3 immediately after (if not inlcuded in the original install) even before video card drivers. windows updates may cause various problems when applied to old system.

Let us know Rocky if it helped or not.

If it does not help it's more likely PSU problem although the power provided seems sufficient there may be a problem with it (is this 'dynex' some recognizable brand or maybe it's a oem crap not even providing real 350W?) Look at axeon post: he's probably right although BRANDED 450W PSU should also be fine (for now, not later)

Next guesses: hard-drive problem, mobo problem (assuming that memory and temperatures are ok)
actually what stress temperatures do you really have Rocky (check after playing some 3dgame or running some 3dmark for some time) ?
April 14, 2009 1:49:42 PM

..so this is more like hardware problem. if the temps are really ok (not faulty sensor on the mobo) it still might be PSU ...or hard drive (long loading)
what model number do you have ? (WDC 320G) - is it SATA or maybe old ATA ?
April 14, 2009 1:59:28 PM

its model number is * pulls out box from closet * WD3200JBRTL and i believe that the connection type is EIDE? i know its not sata. its a farely new HDD. And after all benchmarking the temps are all fine, CPU is below 40C. its really just the loading thats a problem, like i said that once the game is going, everything is fine.
April 14, 2009 2:01:09 PM

also i forgot to mention that the temp of the HDD is higher than that of the CPU, not sure if that is something that is normal or not.

and sorry, im newb
April 14, 2009 2:11:35 PM

if the hdd is above 50C it may not be normal... you have ATA/EIDE and in that case check whether it's working in proper ATA mode
do it by rightlicking on my computer>manage>device manager> IDE/ATA controllers on the right and check primary/secondary IDE channel > advanced setting tab> current transfer mode (you should know on which IDE channel you have your HD and if primary or secondary mode)
so post here what mode it's stated there (all of them if youre not sure which is your HD)
April 14, 2009 2:13:30 PM

also: anyone suggest some windows-based HD diagnostics for Rocky (for SMART etc)...maybe HD Tune ?

HINT: if you get a break with WoW for some time it may also be healthy (for the PC and YOU :)  ..unless it's an addiction already?
April 14, 2009 2:17:48 PM

ok i come up with 2 "primary IDE channel" listings, when i clock on themm i come with a Device0 and Device1 listing, there are 2 transfer types in the drop down menu, one is "DMA if available" and the other is PIO Only.
April 14, 2009 2:33:54 PM

Man..not the drop down menu! the "current transfer mode" below!
But probably that device that has "DMA if available" is your HD (so on the same IDE cable you have a dvd/cd drive?)
April 14, 2009 2:35:25 PM

lmao, a break with wow. thats funny. the PC gets a break from wow when i sleep =)

its really the only game i play and ive been playing for over 2 years, so i would go ahead and say that its an addiction already =(

its funny that the priority lvl after a reinstall of windows is firefox, antivirus, then wow.
April 14, 2009 2:39:08 PM

the current transfer mode says not applicable. and yes i do have a dvd drive on the same cable, only because my mobo only has one ide cable slot, which i though sucked. is that bad? and is it bad that it says not applicable for the current transfer mode?
April 14, 2009 2:42:20 PM

also on the secondary IDE channel its listed as being ultra DMA mode 4 for device 0, and Ultra DMA mode 5 for device 5
April 14, 2009 2:57:50 PM

that's weird because you first wrote you have two "primary IDE channel"
anyway so you must have two connectors on the mobo and just one cable ? and you have it connected to the second IDE connector which is "secondary IDE channel" -that's logic and in this case you have proper ultra DMA mode (5 probably)

although it's recommended to have DVD on separate channel/cable (and the HD on the end of the cable as 'master' if on the same cable with DVD) it would not be a reason as you didn;t change this and it was working fine for 2 days as you mentioned
You can do some HD diagnostics additionally but as you didn;t change the HD also it's less likely
If you changed the mobo and CPU to much more power demanding and didn;t change the PSU at the same time it's the most likely reason and most dangerous to the whole system! (it may get worse and damage mobo/cpu and the rest!)

You should measure the voltages by a hardware gauge/measurer but as you probably can't do so you'd better quickly run for a BRANDED PSU (corsair or sth) with at least 450W on it !!
otherwise you risk exposing yourself to a longer break in Wow
LOL
i'm leaving work so I'll pop in later ;) 
April 14, 2009 3:07:57 PM

well, i really appreciate all the help that you given me =). Although the PSU was bought at the same time as the mobo and CPU, also, there really is only one spot for and IDE cable on the whole board, i just double checked. The PSU actually lists my CPU as a compatible match.

I think like i said earlier, im gonna have to go and see someone that knows how to check all the voltages and stuff like that. geeksquad is based in my local Frys store. i guess ill be seeing them soon.

and thank god for my old PC "the one im typing on" still being as solid as a rock and currently out performing my "new" setup. wow thats just disheartening to say. but yea this pc has wow on it =) and the new patch comes out today!!! yay a new raid!!! lol sorry for that.

but anyhow, thanks again for all your help. if you come up with anything else, pls let me know. and if i get the problem fixed i will be sure to get bak here and let everyone know what was goin on =).
April 14, 2009 7:47:33 PM

yeah let us know.. btw do email notificatinos really work for you guys on this forum ?
April 14, 2009 8:26:08 PM

My guess would be something with the hard drive, especially if it's hitting 50ÂșC+ try running scandisk.
April 15, 2009 6:57:18 AM

ok guys after making a phone call to the geek squad i was told that it is most likely the hard drive. seems how frys wouldnt exchange or return my hard drive and said i had to go through the manufacturer. i went to frys and bought a new hard drive. 500gb for the same price as the 320 i had bought from them.

installed the hard drive, and it works like magic. im glad i didnt have to resort to the original plan involving the gallon of gasoline.

anyhow, the problem is fixed, thanks for everyones replies and suggestions. =)
April 16, 2009 9:31:25 PM

RockyJ said:
ok guys after making a phone call to the geek squad i was told that it is most likely the hard drive. seems how frys wouldnt exchange or return my hard drive and said i had to go through the manufacturer. i went to frys and bought a new hard drive. 500gb for the same price as the 320 i had bought from them.

installed the hard drive, and it works like magic. im glad i didnt have to resort to the original plan involving the gallon of gasoline.

anyhow, the problem is fixed, thanks for everyones replies and suggestions. =)


Glad the problem was fixed. Make sure you send that hard drive back to the manufacturer. Failures aren't uncommon at all.
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