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GA-MA790XT-UD4P & ATI RAID on SB750 with Windows Server 2008 Std

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June 11, 2009 3:21:17 PM

I have MB Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P with 4x HDD 500GB Seagate ST3500320NS, want to use in RAID 1+0 (on ATI SATA RAID) and install Windows Server 20008 Std. Everything went OK until I finished basic configuration of WS20008 and restarted after dcpromo (AD DS). It always ends with "never-ending" restarts (problems with storport.sys). After multiple fails with Windows Server 2008 Std (Vista drivers for SB750 3.1.1540.127 or older) I asked the manufacturer support and got the following answer:

"Thank you for supporting Gigabyte products and contacting GBT Tech Support. As to the problem you mentioned, we do not suggest you to use Win2003/2008 Server OS on this because it's designed for desktop instead of server board. Chipset Venders does not release proper server version drivers for the desktop motherboard and there is no RAID driver for you to use. We suggest you to use server board to install a server version of OS. Sorry for the inconvenience..."

Can anyone confirm that on Gigabyte GA-MA790XT-UD4P is POSSIBLE to sucessfully install Windows Server 2008 Std with RAID 1+0 and that it works!? (I wasn't sucessfull with RAID 0 or RAID 1 either. Success only without RAID.) Thanx a lot for your tips.

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June 11, 2009 4:05:03 PM

bilbat said:
Vista drivers should work fine, and are available here:
http://www.gigabyte-usa.com/Support/Motherboard/Driver_...


I wish they worked, but I first tried those on motherboard installation CD (3.1.1540.86) - no success, then older ones (3.1.1540.64 - your recommendation) - no success, and finally those latest 3.1.1540.127 - no success. WinSrv OS went good, updates went good (after many required restarts - no problem, no error messages), installation of other functions (backup, PowerShell..) went good. BUT: Always after installation AD DS role and dcpromo comp required restart and close before windows GUI it has restarted, and again....again... and again.

I also checked array with RAIDXpert - everything OK ... until AD DS promotion. :sweat: 
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July 13, 2009 3:44:48 PM

frejlach said:
I wish they worked, but I first tried those on motherboard installation CD (3.1.1540.86) - no success, then older ones (3.1.1540.64 - your recommendation) - no success, and finally those latest 3.1.1540.127 - no success. WinSrv OS went good, updates went good (after many required restarts - no problem, no error messages), installation of other functions (backup, PowerShell..) went good. BUT: Always after installation AD DS role and dcpromo comp required restart and close before windows GUI it has restarted, and again....again... and again.

I also checked array with RAIDXpert - everything OK ... until AD DS promotion. :sweat: 


I am having the exact same issue. Have you found a resolution?
July 13, 2009 4:29:31 PM

[*** ing *** ing Windows! I can only ride without RAID. But for that purpuse I needn't buy RAID-mobo. BEWARE: never more southbridge AMD SB7xx for Windows Server 2008.
July 13, 2009 4:31:37 PM

I'm afraid, I haven't. Neither SP2 have helped. I tried another MB (Biostar with the same SouthBridge) but still the same. F-u-c-k-i-n-g southbridge, f-u-c-k-i-n-g Windows! I can only ride without RAID. But for that purpuse I needn't buy RAID-mobo. BEWARE: never more southbridge AMD SB7xx for Windows Server 2008.
a c 177 V Motherboard
July 13, 2009 4:34:00 PM

Or, you could arrive at my solution - no more AMD - PERIOD!
November 6, 2009 11:19:34 PM

GIGABYTE SUCK's !
I bought three motherboards GIGABYTE GA-MA785GT-UD3H from Dustin AB (in Sweden)
and should use it with Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2008 and with raid1 disks, but I failed to install the software.
(I try to use GIGABYTE's both preinstall raid driver for XP 64 and Vista 64 for SB710 chipset)
The installation works perfect for 98% of the Windows installation until the final reboot,
then the system start to reboot repeatly.

After some mail conversation with GIGABYTE they say's they don't support Windows Server !???!?!
But, they blame AMD because they don't write the RAID-driver for the Southbridge SB710 chipset.

How could GIGABYTE make a HW-design with a chipset without supporting Microsoft server ?

Dustin refuse the accept any reclamation on the motherboard becase I have open the box.
Both Dustin.se and www.gigabyte.com.tw said on there web-site the moderboard has RAID1, but they don't mention anything about any expectations for Windows Server !
I think all these companies SUCK's, because they know thess limitations of the motherboards, but no one mention anything about these limitations on the web-sites !
So now I must take Dustin to court.....sad but true !
a c 242 V Motherboard
November 7, 2009 1:16:42 AM

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How could GIGABYTE make a HW-design with a chipset without supporting Microsoft server ?
The AMD chipset isn't a server chipset. Example of server chipsets are Intel 5500 and nVidia MCP55 Pro. You could have bought an Intel platform and install Windows Server 2008 without issues because they support it on most desktop chipsets.
a b V Motherboard
November 7, 2009 3:10:08 AM

ComputerExpert999 said:
GIGABYTE SUCK's !
After some mail conversation with GIGABYTE they say's they don't support Windows Server !???!?!
But, they blame AMD because they don't write the RAID-driver for the Southbridge SB710 chipset.

How could GIGABYTE make a HW-design with a chipset without supporting Microsoft server ?

This is standard or customary in the industry. The chipset companies typically don't supply drivers to support running Windows Server OS on desktop/workstation chipsets. Where they do, its always the previous version (i.e. Server 2000 or 2003), never the current one.

Gigabyte's website and user manual both state supported operating systems in the product specifications: "1. Support for Microsoft Windows Vista / XP"

This is true for ASUS, MSI, DFI, and all other manufacturers. If the chipset company does not support Windows Server OS on the chipset, the board manufacturer will not be able to support it. Its common knowledge to experienced users.

Consumer chipsets/hardware = consumer/client operating systems and applications

Server chipsets/hardware = server/enterprise operating systems and applications
November 7, 2009 12:00:30 PM

Why can't GIGABYTE inform buyers what it supported or limitations of there AMD motherboards ?
I have bought three GIGABYTE's AMD-motherboards from Dustin AB (largest distributer of computer equipment i Sweden) and either GIGABYTE or Dustin AB inform about these limitations in the web-site !
So, now I have three useless motherboard.......:-(
Must I learn ALL about ALL chipset on each motherboard, before I could buy a standard motherboard for Windows ?
The main problem here is GIGABYTE blame AMD because they don't write the RAID-driver for SB710-chipset and AMD says it's GIGABYTE's problem !
Still, no one has wrote the raid-driver for Windows 2003 Server for any of Gigabytes AMD motherboards.
How many years must you wait ?

Who is responsible ? GIGABYTE, AMD or Dustin ?
In my opinion is GIGBYTE responsible for there motherboards, not Dustin or AMD !

Your comments doesn't change my mind ! GIGABYTE sucks....



tcsenter said:
This is standard or customary in the industry. The chipset companies typically don't supply drivers to support running Windows Server OS on desktop/workstation chipsets. Where they do, its always the previous version (i.e. Server 2000 or 2003), never the current one.

Gigabyte's website and user manual both state supported operating systems in the product specifications: "1. Support for Microsoft Windows Vista / XP"

This is true for ASUS, MSI, DFI, and all other manufacturers. If the chipset company does not support Windows Server OS on the chipset, the board manufacturer will not be able to support it. Its common knowledge to experienced users.

Consumer chipsets/hardware = consumer/client operating systems and applications

Server chipsets/hardware = server/enterprise operating systems and applications

November 7, 2009 12:18:41 PM

After more investigations I realise this limitation (supporting for Windows Server) is general for all motherboards from GIGABYTE, independent if the chipset is from AMD or Intel.

So, my conclustion is:
GIGABYTE must be proffessional and take resposible for there motherboards !
Stop all "lies" on the marketing dokuments on your web-site and inform your costumers about the limitations or write the driver for Windows server.
GIGABYTE is just now not serious manufactory of motherboards, because the lack of information!

a c 242 V Motherboard
November 7, 2009 12:29:13 PM

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After more investigations I realise this limitation (supporting for Windows Server) is general for all motherboards from GIGABYTE, independent if the chipset is from AMD or Intel.
You are wrong on that one. I run Windows Server 2008 64-bit on a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P. It also runs fine on an Asus P5Q Deluxe and a Biostar TPower I45. The chipset is what's important, not the motherboard's manufacturer. In other words, a motherboard based on an Intel X58, P45, X48 and a few other Intel chipsets will run it fine because Matrix Storage Manager is available for Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2008. If you buy a motherboard from Asus or MSI that has the AMD chipset used on the GA-MA790XT-UD4P, you'll run into the same issues. It's up to AMD to write the drivers, not Gigabyte; therefore put the blame on AMD.
November 7, 2009 1:57:09 PM

You don't get the point here, but you are right !
I should wrote "almost all motherboard....", instead of "all"
But still, the main problem is that GIGABYTE don't inform there customers of the limitation of there motherboards !

I and most of the common technical people could impossible investigate all integrated circuit on a motherboards and then try to find if there exist any driver for each IC. e.g. raid-IC, finger-sensor-IC, bluetooth-IC, WiFi-IC, graphical card-IC, Ethernet LAN chip-IC, USB-IC, firewire-IC, fan-controller-IC, sound & S/PDIF IC.......
Notice: I have been hardware and firmware designers for more than 10 years, so I have a lot of experience from this area.

AMD is a subcontracotor to GIGABYTE.
GIGABYTE is responsible for there products and no one else !!!!
This is fundament for all commersial buisness.
Maybe you are a partial representative from GIGABYTE?



GhislainG said:
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After more investigations I realise this limitation (supporting for Windows Server) is general for all motherboards from GIGABYTE, independent if the chipset is from AMD or Intel.
You are wrong on that one. I run Windows Server 2008 64-bit on a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P. It also runs fine on an Asus P5Q Deluxe and a Biostar TPower I45. The chipset is what's important, not the motherboard's manufacturer. In other words, a motherboard based on an Intel X58, P45, X48 and a few other Intel chipsets will run it fine because Matrix Storage Manager is available for Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2008. If you buy a motherboard from Asus or MSI that has the AMD chipset used on the GA-MA790XT-UD4P, you'll run into the same issues. It's up to AMD to write the drivers, not Gigabyte; therefore put the blame on AMD.

a c 242 V Motherboard
November 7, 2009 2:12:08 PM

Before buying that specific motherboard, you didn't verify that AMD provide drivers for that chipset. Nowhere does Gigabyte claim that Windows Server is supported by that motherboard. When I ordered motherboards to run Windows Server 2008, I checked the Intel site to make sure that the required drivers were available. If they had not been available, I certainly could not blame Gigabyte, Asus or Biostar.
a b V Motherboard
November 8, 2009 4:11:19 AM

Quote:
I run Windows Server 2008 64-bit on a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P. It also runs fine on an Asus P5Q Deluxe and a Biostar TPower I45. The chipset is what's important, not the motherboard's manufacturer. In other words, a motherboard based on an Intel X58, P45, X48 and a few other Intel chipsets will run it fine because Matrix Storage Manager is available for Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2008.

Well, most of Intel's drivers will work with Server OS because Intel doesn't explicitly create different driver packages or installers for client and server OS, but Intel expressly does not support Server OS on any desktop motherboard chipsets:

Supported OS Matrix for Intel Desktop Motherboards and Chipsets

Intel Desktop Boards do not currently support Microsoft Windows Server 2003 or 2008. There are no plans for making drivers available for this operating system.

Quote:
You don't get the point here, but you are right! I should wrote "almost all motherboard....", instead of "all" But still, the main problem is that GIGABYTE don't inform there customers of the limitation of there motherboards!

You don't get the point here. It is NOT the motherboard manufacturer's responsibility to inform you of every caveat or limitation, particularly when its a limitation imposed by the chipset manufacturers or is customary in the industry. Gigabyte plainly informs you which OS are supported. If server OS is NOT listed there, its obviously not supported!

Again, its well known in the industry that computer hardware is differentiated by product segmentations for consumer/client PC and server/enterprise PC. It has been for the 14+ years that I've been doing this.

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I and most of the common technical people could impossible investigate all integrated circuit on a motherboards and then try to find if there exist any driver for each IC

You don't need to investigate every IC on the market. You only need to look at the product segmentation. e.g. consumer PC motherboard or server PC motherboard. ALL motherboard manufacturers plainly differentiate their consumer and server product segments. The GA-MA790XT-UD4P is a performance, gaming, and overclocking motherboard, which is always a consumer PC segment.

AMD does NOT support server operating systems, no matter which motherboard manufacturer. For NVIDIA chipsets, Server OS are only supported for the NForce "Professional" 2000 and 3000 chipsets, not the consumer NForce products.

If that's too difficult for you to remember, then leave it to the real professionals who do take the time and effort to stay informed about these matters. These aren't toasters or microwave ovens. If you don't know what you are doing, then buy a Dell or something.
a c 177 V Motherboard
November 8, 2009 3:12:32 PM

GhislainG, tcsenter;

You have missed the obvious - this individual appears to be in Sweden, the poster-child for, and epitome of, European 'nanny-statism' - and we are headed there, sure as water runs downhill! It is expected that the hand will be held (by whom? blank out!) - the work will be done by someone else whose 'obligation' it is (who? blank out!) (how? blank out!) - all risk will be eliminated, that the world will be made ideal, and computers will be made as 'simple as plugging in a toaster', that someone else will assume all the obligations!

This illustrates exactly why, if I were 'running things' at Intel, my response to the EEOC's fining them for 'anti-competitive' paractices would be the 'soup Nazi's: "No soup for you!" Bite the bullet, accept the losses (for a time), and put Europe as a whole on the 'no technology shipped' list - no CPUs - no chipsets - 'till, say, 2013! Let 'em try to run their democratic data centers and socialist server farms with the crap they can glean from AMD! Microsoft, too, has had to 'bow and scrape'; has been forced to produce a whole line of 'N' versions of 7, just for the EEOC - I install 7 on my workstation an average of once a month, it takes all of eleven minutes per install to DL and put in FireFox, Chrome, and Safari - if you're too effing dumb to do this, you need to go back to your mud tablet and a stick!

The handle alone ("ComputerExpert999") illustrates my point from yesterday - people at the twenty-fifth percentile of cognitive functioning will consistently estimate themselves to be at the sixty-fifth percentile...

BTW - the relevant reference is to be found here: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/CS-...
November 9, 2009 10:06:30 AM

hi,

did anyone try to make raid via external raid sata controller?
November 10, 2009 3:53:20 PM

Hi,

I had same problem as frejlach got (can't install win2k8 small business server on Asrcok 790GX SB750 motherboard). I tried several times. Finally I tried Win2k3 standard with RAID0 and XP 32bit driver. It WORKS. The problem is that you can only use up to 4GB memory.
a c 177 V Motherboard
November 10, 2009 4:29:11 PM

Attempt to install server s'ware on non-server (and AMD yet!) hardware = shoot self in foot, & complain about having to bandage wound...
January 16, 2010 3:38:09 PM

hmmm i disagree, there was no shooting in the foot. I encountered the same problem(s)...udp4 & 4X 1.5 terrabyte drives, win 2008 & raid = nogo.

gigabyte was elusive in not saying they don't support servers with this board, on their packaging, and driver site. While technically they don't say they support server 2008 (or it appears 2003 either but I'm still testing that out) with raid on the ATI chipset in all the other boards i've ever bought NT server, 2K server, 2003 server they were supported with they say windows@ in the driver downloads.

I bought three boards, all gigabyte one as a server and two desktops because I try to keep the systems consistant with respect to bios and drivers, etc. Fortunately I'm just out some time as I bought them all from microcenter, so it''s back there they go. They take back open boxes and I learned to never buy gigabyte as a server again. Now really who makes a full size board with eight (8) sata ports that supports Windows@ and doesn't support any of the server O/Ss? seems silly to me. Gigabyte support told me for win 2008 server; "Try the vista drivers and see if it works".

it doesn't.
a c 177 V Motherboard
January 16, 2010 10:52:40 PM

I still don' get it - you go to NewEgg, look at 'motherboards', there is a category clearly labelled "SERVER" - you goes outside that category, yuse on your own! I am currently considering the reverse - an ASUS Z8PE-D12 dual 1366 server board to run (mainly) seven on my workstation... The above business about:
Quote:
I and most of the common technical people could impossible investigate all integrated circuit on a motherboards and then try to find if there exist any driver for each IC

is precisely what I'm doing, from figuring out whose USB hub I can disassemble, rewire, power off an internal molex, and use to deal with the paucity of USBs, front and back, to trying to discover drivers for their 'odd-ball' dedicated audio card, and dissecting their 'PIKE' HW RAID card (and finding out [for certain!] whether there are seven drivers for its underlying LSI Logic LSISAS1078), and whether, for, ostensibly, a 'desktop', the four bills for it and and its quarter-gig of write-back, might be better doubled for an Areca Intel IOP with 2 full gig (and whether that will actually work on the ASUS?)...

I expect to 'dig' for documentation for 'unintended' useages; and, if it's actually documented nowhere, neither do I assume it will work, or consider sending them my money...

I wish to god GB made server boards - I'm comfortable with them, I know their 'pecuiarities', and their underlying quality - and I know not to expect any form of intelligible tech support from them (or, for that matter, nearly anyone else :cry:  )!

August 29, 2010 2:24:52 PM

For everyone who might be interested in a solution for this issue:

i have been using this amd based boards for small company servers for a while since a thought it is a great idea, a small cheap mainboard, with a 6 port sata raid controller (even if it is software raid but has a great administration software) and has all it needs.. But after installing server 2003 and doing the dcpromo it gave me a funny error telling me that the activedrectory is damaged and could not be startet.... :-(

cannot be possible but it has been. I have tried to change every part reinstall every driver, but always the same result. the first boot runs but upon restart the active directory goes down.
i do not know how i got that fixed but as we all know amd has a promise raid controller chip integrated into all their southbridges of the 7xx series, that is why the software is kind of great. since i was using a promise ex8350 card on one server i recognized that i was able to adminitrate the raid controller integrated into the southbridge from amd as well....and it showed me more options then the original amd software....

and here comes the solution, somehow amd has messed up something with the raid controller cache settings. because on the amd raidxpert software it shows you only that is has the cache set to write-through mode, which should be perfect for a none battery backuped raid card. but that is the clue somehow it does not seem to run in write-through mode... that is why it cuts of the end of the active directory upon reboot (even worse it damages almost every db file... like exchange etc), if you install the webpam software from promise instead of the raidxpert software from amd (you can download the version for the ex8350 for example on the promise.com website) and install that one you can change the cache mode of your raid.

somehow they mixed up the settings there but if you set it to auto switch cache mode or write back (which should usually not be chosen) my dcpromo works on every server (and i run like 30 with those mainboards of all different types) . i have figured out that (i have been using all asus mainboards) the ones with series m3a and before need write back switch, the m4a series somehow only worked with auto switch. i only tried on win 2k8 server, but it solved me that same issue. and since one of them is running in an area with a non stable elctric current without a backup battery and has suffered power drops a few time and there has not been any data loss, i believe that write-back with promise software means write-through...
i hope i could help someone with this... if you have questions please ask... and believe it took me a few sleepless nights to find that out by accident...
February 25, 2011 12:33:58 PM

Thanks, jgraute!

Your solution works like a charm, using a Asus M4A78LT-M LE.

Now i can use RAID 1 with Windows Server 2008 and Active Directory.

Thank you so much!
:bounce: 
September 1, 2011 1:57:35 PM

jgraute Great solution.

Also if you are up for it you could install Hyper-V Core that should allow you to run the raid on the base drives. Then you can create a virtual machine to run your DC on or any ony other server virtual machines too. If you build a freenas box you can do ISCSI on that and them cluster multiple nodes together. It is a high end solution to the issue but that is the direction we went as we wanted the cluster redundancy any ways.
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