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New Build:Is this good or waste of money???

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January 19, 2009 5:45:03 PM

Please give ratings, advice and scorn for this list of products that I plan to put together as a new computer.
I am not buying a monitor, keyboard or mice for this build, already have good'uns

RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case 500W
Item #: N82E16811156062
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813128358
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core CPU
Item #: N82E16819115131
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835186134
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2 of G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel RAM
Item #: N82E16820231166
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 512-P3-N871-AR GeForce 9800 GTX(G92) 512MB HDCP SLI Supported Video Card
Item #: N82E16814130339
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS 320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Item#:N82E16822148140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG 20X DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA
Item #: N82E16827151179
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Item #: N82E16835100007
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Arctic Silver Material Remover & Surface Purifier
Item #: N82E16835100010
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders
Item #: N82E16832116488
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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January 19, 2009 5:47:18 PM

what is this system going to be used primarily for?
January 19, 2009 7:15:45 PM

Get that Raidmax case without a PSU, or an NZXT Tempest, and add a quality PSU (there's a 650TX for $70 at Newegg).

You're combining a Crossfire MB with a SLI video card. I'd change the video card to HD 4850.

Get a WD3200AAKS (320GB, $55) or even better a WD6400AAKS (640GB, $75). That Seagate 320 is not available any more. Also, right now WD seems to be more reliable than Seagate.

You're probably interested in overclocking, since you've got DDR2-1066 and the AS5. You'd find it easier with a Q9550 and a Xigmatek HDT-S1283 than with Q9400 and Freezer 7 Pro.
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January 19, 2009 9:22:21 PM

that raidmax PSU is a POS. get the 550 or 650 corsair. don't worry about sli and crossfire unless you actually plan on doing it, if not save a few bucks and get the UD3R instead they are both great MB's.
January 20, 2009 2:28:05 AM

No after-market cooler needed with Q9400. No massive PS needed either. Change the vid-card as suggested. And of-course ... run UBUNTU !
January 20, 2009 4:34:43 AM

I've built, or helped build, just under 10 systems and this is the latest one and more troubling one of all time for me. CPU fans are suppose to spin really fast when the power is on, not just a slow speed but a rather fast speed. There also is no documentation I can find that describes my hardware as being normal for the cpu fan to "wait a few seconds before spinning" I do not want to damamge the $284 cpu just to prove I waited 10 more seconds.


When did this become a dreaded Linux vs the world debate?

I made a couple of mistakes with this buy and I'll list them.
1. Should have bought my own PSU [but am now and it's arriving in the morning]
2. Didn't know the 8-pin power connection easited or was even required these days and that's going to be fixed with the new psu and it's newer wiring. I should have read the first 31 pages of the motherboard manual were it then BEGINS to discuss this power addition requirement.
But that is where it ends.

As I said I've never heard of, read or overheard someone else or see a technical paper claim that NON SPINNING CPU fans are normal when you first turn on the computer and that you just have to "wait up to 30 seconds for them to spin really slow"
This is a HUGE Heatsink, its the size of 2 coke cans as a reference and I'm sure it would prevent damamge to the cpu for many seconds but I am not willing to wait 30..45..60 seconds for this cpu fan to spin. I don't know how things are in other peoples worlds but in my world a $284 CPU is not cheap or something to experiment with.

But since I found all this information out about 5 days after my attempts to build this computer I know some things now from all of you and am better prepared to takle issues.

My plan is as follow from this time out.
1. Tomorrow take receipt of new OCZ 700 watt PSU
2. Rip out existing crappy PSU and install the new PSU
3. Connect all the power plugs to the motherboard INCLUDING the 8-pin power connector near the CPU on the motherboard.
4. Turn on the machine and if the fan doesn't spin IMMEDIATELY, not a few seconds later, then I will suspect 1st a burnt out fan header and then try the fan the remaining 2 other fan header options on the motherboard.

At this point I MUST conclude the motherboard is faulty because the inability to spin the most important fan in your system is not something you can overlook or "fix" on your own. I do not own a pcb motherboard repair station so repairing a PCB would be impossible without an electrical engineering degree at least.

IF my fans DOES spin and I can't boot to bios then I plan to remove all but one stick of RAM, placing it in the 1st slot. If that doesn't work then I will switch that stick with the other one. If that doesn't work then again I must assume the motherboard is dead or faulty.

This is where I reach a standstill point:I must get an RMA from newegg for the malfunctioning motherboard and in about 8 days have another 'new' motherboard to try again.

If this motherboard spins the fans then I am fixed partly. I will then of course test each stick of ram.
If at this point I see not error or faulty devices on the motherboard then I must conclude that a new motherboard was the problem all along and this "wait a few seconds for the cpu fan to spin" debate will die the death I highly suspect it will receive.

I am not angry at any one person here, I am only angry to have this many problems when I consider the experince I have with building computers.

I might make a short video clip of the working, or non-working, computer build and place it on some public viewer like youtube and link everyone a url to see it. I'm not promising anything though.

As far as switching to linux, I've do it before. When I did I hated it from the very first few minutes of use. I had it on dual boot at the time and began booting to windows more and more until eventually I unattached the linux boot, which took hrs to figure out how to do, and went to a clean boot into windows. I guess linux is for some people. If you enjoy Linux then that is fantastic, enjoy your free OS. But I'm sticking with paid OS's where people who make high wages fix issues and offer suggestions. VISTA Premium for 64bit builders version will suit me fine. It's $99 which is a TINY amount for a new OS that has tens of millions of user across the globe tweaking it with there many complaints to the departments in microsoft's paid centers.

Anyway, I appreate all your help people and might reply with updates and it it is something you enjoy doing perhaps you could offer some advice again if I get stuck.

Obama's the prez now.....wooo

thanks all
January 20, 2009 5:26:59 PM

As in almost every build I comment on, drop the expensive 1066 ram. You'll see absolutely no real world difference, aside from the price tag. EVERYONE QUIT WASTING YOUR MONEY ON MARKETING!!!

And drop the 'material remover' too. I'm sure you have a bottle of rubbing alchohol laying around your place. It's the same crap. Not that you'd need it anyways, it's more for reapplying thermal compound.
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