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January 22, 2009 1:33:34 PM

My old socket 478 mobo fried I need to get up and running as fast as possible!!!!!!!!!!! Help Please!!

I have been out of the computer hardware loop since I build my last P4 computer years ago. As expected things have dramatically changed. I am clueless about the new technologies in processors. My old P4P800 board failed and I cannot find a replacement so its time to look for new stuff. I wanted to use some of the old hardware listed but it appears its pretty much useless in the new technology.

old system:

HP2207H 22" monitor
Antec PLUS 1080 AMG Case/430W Tru Power
Asus P4P800 Deluxe...............Dead... Rest in Peace!!!!
Intel P4 2.4BGig 533Mhz FSB
2-WD Caviar SE 120 gig HDD
ASUS V9570 TD 128mb
1GB (2x512mb)Kingston Hyperex PC3500
2GB 2x1gb) OCZ High performance PC3200
Pioneer DVR 111-D
Lite-On 52X24X52 CDRW
SoundBlaster Audigy Value
Samsung 1.44Mb FDD



1. What YOUR PC will be used for?
Typical office stuff, DVD burning and occasional editing, surfing and downloading. Be nice to have some future video editing power. Occasional gaming.

2. What YOUR budget is:
I was hoping to stay under say $600 and reuse what I can (case)...but would go higher to avoid obsolescence. I really don't know what decent stuff costs anymore.

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from?
USA.

4. IF YOU have a brand preference?
Intel, Asus, are the only brands I have owned. Gigabyte seems recommended as well.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are?
HP2207H 22" monitor at 1680X1050. For now would like to reuse the 2-120 gig hard drives from my old computer until I get the data off them. Would reuse my Antec Case and 430W PSU if its big enuff which I doubt. Would reuse my optical drives for now. Would upgrade all drives later. I need to get up and running quickly for now.

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads?
While I have searched many threads I really don't know enough about the present CPU or mobo technology to make an informed choice. I have to rely on your expertise.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds?
some overclocking...nothing drastic.

8. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Immediately

I don't want to drop a ton on a video card at present so a decent budget card would serve me well.
I don't need a top of the line processor just something that will not become obsolete in a year or limit my activities.
For the mobo I want something solid, proven reliable and easy to set up and upgrade bios etc. I do not need raid. I do not presently use firewire but would be nice.

I currently have win XP Pro 32bit. Would I need to upgrade to vista or could I keep it with the new processors. Should I go with a 32 or 64 bit processor.?.

I am basicaly starting from square one again PLEASE HELP ME out here so I can get back up and running quickly!!! I am down for the count here. I want to order this stuff in the next day or 2.

Got this from another thread...for a starting point everything but the HDD sounds reasonable and I don't need the optical drives since I will reuse what I have for now. The video card is probably more than I need since I don't watch HD movies on my puter so far:

E8400 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115037 - $165
Asus P5Q Pro - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813131299 - $130
4GB DDR1000 RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231145 - $50
GTX280 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130365 - $325
WD 750GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136283 - $90
Corsair 650W - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817139005 - $100
Samsung DVD Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827151171 -$26



Please Help me!!...

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January 22, 2009 2:02:24 PM

New motherboards only have one IDE connector for a total of two devices. Hard drive prices are really low, so you might as well pick up a new one. The same goes for DVD burners - the price is so low, why not pick up a new one so you don't have to deal with a big IDE cable? Here's what I'd build if I were in your shoes:

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 - $15.00 MIR

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99

SAPPHIRE 100265L Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 - $10.00 MIR

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $25.99

Total - $495.94 - $25 MIR's = $470.94

I'd also pick up a 64-bit OS so you can use all 4GB of RAM.

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99

Even with the new hard drive, DVD burner, and OS, that comes to right around $600 before rebates. Your 430W PSU will power all the above.
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January 22, 2009 3:04:01 PM

Thank you so much for your responses fellas. The system you suggested looks good to me.
I am not familiar with Vista or the fine points of a 64 bit operating system.
My old system was winXP pro 32 bit. Will this run on the new 64 bit hardware ok? I assume it will. If not how will I transfer all this stuff on my old drives to new Vista 64bit?

Whenever I need help I always come here and the suggestions I get have always been awesome...Thank you so much!!!!

I am rather reluctant to put any more money in this old system of mine for fear something else will fail and I will be back to square one.

I did not see a cooling fan for the processor.....I assume it doesn't come with the processor does it as a package?
January 22, 2009 3:16:23 PM

i like the decisions that you have made m8, the only change that i would make is to go with a 4850 instead of a 4870 but then if you are not a heavy gamer then the 4830should be fine.

I dont know the details or how but what i can tell you is that 64bit will utilize all 4gb of your ram. 32bit os can only utilize 3gb (i think) :) 
January 22, 2009 3:35:02 PM

With that hardware, XP 32-bit will runfne. It will see 3.5 GB of RAM, I think. Maybe 3.25GB, that would be my second guess. When I boot in XP-32, by system sees 3.25, but that's because my 8800GTX hides 0.75 GB from the total 4. The HD 4830 has only 0.5 GB, so I'd say you'll see 4 GB-0.5.

Apart from that, there's nothing special about 32-bit vs 64-bit.

Vista would make some games look better, because it has DirectX 10, but that's not really important if you're not into gaming that much.

You're quite right IMO not spending more on the old PC.

The CPUs we linked there both come with coolers. Those coolers are just fine if you're not overclocking.

To transfer your data files (text, videos, whatever) just write them on DVD+R disks. At 30 cents for 4.3 GB it's a good deal, and you get backups too. The software will need to be reinstalled anyway, so don't bother saving what's in Program Files or similar.

Don't forget to save your browser benchmarks, btw. FireFox can export them, it's very convenient.
January 22, 2009 3:53:49 PM

Ok I am not concerned about reading files from the old hard drives for stuff like movies....mp3 etc.

What I am worried about is getting the info off my old C: drive that was in my documents.

I am afraid when winXP boots on this new computer off the old drive....the permissions from the old computer setup will stop me from accessing the files in "My Documents" that were password protected in my account with a login.

I tried accessing the my primary C: drive by hooking it up to an old dell computer and removing the Dell drive but it wouldn't boot off my drive. When I then booted off the Dell primary with my drive as a secondary I could read files but not my "my documents "stuff. It wouldn't let me.

Someone told me you can't use another primary drive on a Dell computer to boot with because of their proprietary setup but I am not sure.

This whole thing has turned into a nightmare so far for me trying to get back up and running......:( 
January 22, 2009 4:31:27 PM

LOL, I missed the part where your mobo died. Yeah, pretty hard to use that PC to burn DVDs if the MB is dead. Oops :) 

You need to install Windows fresh on the new PC because different hardware needs different drivers and different settings in various .ini files and in the registry. You can't just add the old drive to the new PC and boot from it.
Try installing XP or Vista on the new drive, and then attaching the old drive as just another storage drive and reading from it with Windows Explorer. If you haven't used encryption you should be able to find your files.

January 22, 2009 4:53:06 PM

This is where I am at so far. Any suggestions likes or dislikes...I am going to order this stuff today or tomorrow. Either way it will be a super performance boost over what I had before.....

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115017 $189.99
OR
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] &Tpk=e7400 $119.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -ep45-ud3r $119.99 - $15.00 MIR

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231209 $49.99

SAPPHIRE 100265L Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102803 $99.99 - $10.00 MIR

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136319 $79.99

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151171 $25.99

Total after rebate with E7400 = $455.95

with Q6600 = $540.94

I will use my present case and 430W Antec tru power PSU since I was told it will be alright. I will keep winXP for now until I get the data off my old hard drives.

Question is at this point...what would be the advantage/disadvantage of going quad core over the dual core E7400 suggestion and overclocking the dual core processor?

What would I gain by going to the Radeon HD 4850 card since I only do an occasional game? I read that this card can be overclocked as well to get 4850 performance is this true?

One more time fellas how do you like this setup???
January 22, 2009 5:45:09 PM

The HD 4830 has 640 stream processors. The HD 4850 has 800. Both can be overclocked. If you don't play much you might as well get the HD 4830,I guess.

Any chance that you will ever want to use 3 or 4 monitors? If yes, upgrade to GA-EP45-UD3P. It's $10 more I think, and it gives you a second PCI-E slot. You can add a cheap HD 3450 ($30, IIRC) there when you buy the 3rd monitor.

The Q6600 will win big over the E7400 in video editing (if your software is smart enough to take advantage of all 4 cores), in Flight Simulator X, in GTA4, or when compressing audio/video files (with smart software like DVD Shrink or Xing MPEG Encoder). Apart from that, either CPU will be about the same, i.e. rarely used at 100%, so they'll do the same job in the same time. The best choice for you depends on your software and on how long you'll keep the CPU. The longer you keep it, the better the chance that the quad is worth it.
January 22, 2009 6:18:09 PM

Personally, I wouldn't get a Q6600. It's an older chip and produces much more heat. I'd get a 45nm chip, Q9400 or better if you can afford it. Else I'd get the E7400. They overclock well and run cooler.

Also, get a new PSU. The Antec 430W TP was an ok psu. But it's not 80+ efficient, and older and may fail with a new, higher power system.

And since you don't game much, a HD4830 should be a good video card for you. Might even look at the HD4670.

Also, get a descent aftermarket heatsink so you can overclock easily if you want to.
January 22, 2009 6:22:23 PM

The quad core will pay dividends if you do video editting and you have modern software that can take advantage of more than two cores. otherwise, save some money with the dual core.
January 22, 2009 7:45:27 PM

Ok right now I am leaning towards the dual core E7400 or E8400 since I really don't think I will take advantage of the quad core for my uses. My thoughts are the stock E8400 speeds can be approached by overclocking with the E7400 so spend the extra cash on a power supply if I need one.

Since I am not a huge gamer I think the 4830 would suffice for a vid card for now.

Any other ideas on whether my present 430W true power Antec will push this system without straining?

How about this PSU below is it any good and do these supplies fit in a case like mine?

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 -$20 rebate= $79.99
January 23, 2009 12:20:04 AM

Ok here is where I am at presently. I decided to pretty much just start new with everything rather than patching up an old computer. Tell me what you think good or bad.

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $119.99 - $15.00 MIR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit - Retail $69.99 - $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $144.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100 - retail $99.99 -$20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223F - OEM - $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Total after rebate = $605.93

I will use my present case and I will keep winXP for now until I get the data off my old hard drives.

Do you think my old PSU will suffice or do I really need a new one?

One more time fellas how do you like this setup???

-------------------------
HP2207H 22" monitor
Antec PLUS 1080 AMG Case/430W Tru Power
Asus P4P800 Deluxe
Intel P4 2.4BGig 533Mhz FSB
2-WD Caviar SE 120 gig HDD
ASUS V9570 TD 128mb
1GB (2x512mb)Kingston Hyperex PC3500
2GB 2x1gb) OCZ High performance PC3200
Pioneer DVR 111-D
Lite-On 52X24X52 CDRW
SoundBlaster Audigy Value
Samsung 1.44Mb FDD
January 23, 2009 3:10:49 AM

Unless you are specifically wanting to upgrade everything, before you rush out and spend a ton of cash go look on eBay - you might just find someone trying to sell and old board that will work with your existing hardware. If you want to get something new then the choices you have made look decent. I'm not sure what the GPU needs in terms of power but usually a minimum PSU output of 500-600W for a single card solution would be needed. Don't go cheap on the PSU - you will live to regret it.
January 23, 2009 6:08:00 AM

good decisions m8, i like the build that you put together.
i just brough the corsair 650w power supply and it is worth the money in my opinion. Like stevemeister said don't go cheap on th epower supply.

4850 will give you more future proofing, and better performance in games.

hope all goes well with the build, be sure to ask if you are having any problems
January 23, 2009 11:35:45 AM

Stevemeister said:
Unless you are specifically wanting to upgrade everything, before you rush out and spend a ton of cash go look on eBay - you might just find someone trying to sell and old board that will work with your existing hardware. If you want to get something new then the choices you have made look decent. I'm not sure what the GPU needs in terms of power but usually a minimum PSU output of 500-600W for a single card solution would be needed. Don't go cheap on the PSU - you will live to regret it.


Well I did just that I searched Ebay till I was blue in the face. I bid on a few boards but was unsuccessful. The used boards were going at ridiculously high prices and many of them were from chinese sellers. I was looking at around $130 for a board similar to what I had. Then even if I did get it I had an old board with old slow technology that could fail anytime again. I have since found out that old board of mine was prone to failure over time. I decided as people recommended that it was probably time for an upgrade.

Ok I decided to spring for a new power supply but I am still not set on the processor. Some people have been suggesting the E7400 and some the E8400. My thinking is to buy the cheaper processor and if my needs change later just buy a Quad cor or something faster. Does that sound reasonable. Would there be that much performance difference in them if I went with the cheaper processor and just overclocked it a bit? Other than the speed increase is there any reason to get one over the other????

Also I have been looking at Vid cards on Newegg and there seems to be several HD 4850 models....which one are you guys suggesting....there is one for like $144 is that the right one???

I was checking on the vista home OEM version and read some disturbing news online. If your new system crashes and requires a reinstall....you have to BUY another copy of Vista since Microsoft will not allow you to install an OEM copy again. That sucks!! They provide no support for the OEM version so you are SOL.

I am gonna order everything tomorrow or later today so I want to get input before I do.....and thanks everyone for being so helpful you saved me a ton of headaches and time. I really appreciate the help !!!! Thank you so much!!......:) 
January 23, 2009 1:06:04 PM

That Corsair 650W is one of the best PSUs ever made, no worries there.

You could buy the E7400 now, use it as it is for a month, then decide if you want to overclock it or not.

First of all, it's safer to use it at stock for a while just to make sure everything works. If you overclock right away and something fails, you'll find it harder to narrow down the cause.

Also, if it never reaches 100%, overclocking would just make you pay more for electricity without any benefits. Check in Task Manager from time to time, see how the CPU usage goes.

Later, if you need more power, you could get a Q9650 or something. It just dropped from the $500+ area to $334. I'm sure you'll be able to get one for even less a year from now.
January 23, 2009 1:46:42 PM

Thanks AEVM...sound advice for sure....

Ok which HD 4850 is the recommended card at newegg which is the one right above the HD4830 in performance???.....I am confused when I look there I see a couple 4850 models.
January 23, 2009 2:27:41 PM

Fist of all, you want a version with a dual-slot cooler. Those have a vent that kicks the hot air out of the case, and the fans are better too because they don't have to be very small. There's a $145 Sapphire and a $130 MSI, both dual-slot and both getting 5 eggs at Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127370

I'll let you read the user reviews for each and decide if the Sapphire is worth $15 more or not. I have no idea, honestly :) 
January 23, 2009 7:31:57 PM

Ok I suppose I waited too long the 640Gig hard drive for 79.99 is out of stock. Can you suggest another replacement as I don't have time to wait till it comes in.

I noticed they have a 750Gig sata model at 89.99 only 10 bucks higher. Is this any good??

Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive -
OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Samsung also has a 750Gig sata drive for 79.99 on sale but the people had a lot of failures according to the feedback.

I checked on the memory that was suggested and the price is 74.99 not 49.99 as stated. Did I wait too long and the price just went up or do I have the wrong link? Is this the one he meant to link to which is $49?
G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I am going to order this stuff today after I pick another hard drive and determine which memory I should get. Thanks again fellas....you saved me a ton of research here...:) 
January 23, 2009 7:50:58 PM

The WD7501AALS is good. Not quite as fast as the WD6401AALS but I doubt you'd notice a difference unless you run benchmarks.

Yup, the RAM price went up after we gave you the link. It happens with that RAM, I've seen it before. The on eyou found as a replacement will do fine.

January 23, 2009 7:52:15 PM

The wd6401aals is in stock right now. Try again :) 
January 23, 2009 8:08:25 PM

You're right the hard drive is in stock again ......amazing how fast things and prices change at Newegg.!!!!! I just checked not a half hour ago and I had to give them my email for when it is in stocl......lol

I looked at those 2 memories and except for the mammoth heat sink on the black edition the CAS and timings, warranty are identical...is the Black worth the extra $25 for heat sink? am I missing something?

AEVM ....I have to tell you ..you are a godsend ....thank you so much! I can't wait to put in the order and be done with this.....lol

A couple items did not have free shipping and NewEgg rep agreed to wave the shipping......WOOT....: :pt1cable: 
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