AMD "Athlon II" to be Out by September 2009

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AMD’s Athlon brand has had a variety of suffixes appended to it, including XP, 64, FX and X2, but AMD never tried calling any of its CPUs Athlon II, despite releasing an Athlon 4 mobile chip. However, the word is that this is soon going to change later this year, when AMD will apparently launch the Athlon II, continuing the numbering strategy that AMD used when it released the Phenom II.

Taiwanese tech site DigiTimes reports that the Athlon II will form a part of a new entry-level desktop platform codenamed Pisces. According to the site, the platform will also take advantage of AMD’s 55nm 780G+ chipset, which will feature an integrated Radeon HD 4200 GPU. DigiTimes cites Taiwanese motherboard partners as its source of the information, and says that the new platform is scheduled for release before September 2009. However, the site also says that motherboards based on the new chipset will be shown off at Taiwan’s Computex show in June.

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W00t! Finally something to upgrade to.

Reply to Dekasav

Too little too latte, if all this is is a phenom II with 2 cores and possibly more cache then intel is going to murder them.(im not a intel fanboy i have owned 5 AMD cpus in my life and only 1 intel)

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Reply to Rifter

In the original DT article it sez ...

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In related news, market demand for AMD's desktop CPUs including Phenom II X3 700 series and Phenom II X4 920 is climbing due to their low price, prompting motherboard makers to forecast that AMD's share of the global desktop CPU market will step up to 30% in the second quarter.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090331PD205.html

I'm just guessin' but I would say the new Radeon HD 4200 IGP would be based off the 40nm mobility chip ...

Reply to wisecracker

it says 55nm there.

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Reply to Helloworld_98

Same 'ol same 'ol I think. AMD chips will still have the "budget" rep, while Intel maintains its "we're powerful but expensive" presence.

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Helloworld_98 wrote :

it says 55nm there.

Why would they downgrade their CPU tech?

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CPUs rarely use half-nodes.

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Reply to amdfangirl

I think bringing back the brand is more marketing/psychological than any thing else. In most OCers mind the Phenom brand is/was considered sh!t, while the Athlon had a very good reputation. Bringing the Athlon brand back would probably divert attention from the Phenom failure.

(I find it ironic that Intel brought the "Pentium" name back, and unlike the old Pentium (aka P4/PD) the new one's were quite good and was good at OCing).

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Reply to Shadow703793

amdfangirl wrote :

Why would they downgrade their CPU tech?

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CPUs rarely use half-nodes.

55nm is in relation to the chipset, not the CPU.

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Reply to joefriday

AMD need to be able to produce a viable "real" dual core rather than disabling native quads.

It is arguable that they would simply not have enough failed quads to duals from testing to meet demand, and more importantly the cost of disabling perfectly good quads, let alone triples would just be stupid.

Making duals from scratch (a seperate mask) is far more cost effective approach, and if they now have a decent replacement for the ageing mobile dual they recently respun then this is what the article is referring to perhaps?

But I could be dribbling ... although my style is much easier to read than Drasheck.

Alas ... I have no PhD ... yet.

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Reply to reynod

I agree w/you reynod. Especially in the light of a 45nm single core Sempron planned in the near future. A unique dual core mask would allow cost-effective Athlon II cpus, and be the basis of the single core Sempron (although, it would be super cool if they'd also make a single core mask, but probably not worth the tooling to do so). If these Athlon IIs sell for $70-100 range, that leave the single core Sempron in the $50 range. Not much room for any sort of profit if using a quad core die for a single core CPU.

Reply to joefriday

The roadmap shows that the AthonII will be X4, X3, and X2. These will be PhenomII with NO L3 cache.

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Reply to B-Unit

Same mask then with a bit of surgery.

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Reply to reynod

K11 or betetr? Amazing and butt kicking? Probably not. Then in my eyes not Athlon II.

Athlon II would be the next Intel butt kicker. But this is probably the same thing as the otehrs. Jusat a quad with 2 bad cores.

Reply to jimmysmitty

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The roadmap shows that the AthonII will be X4, X3, and X2. These will be PhenomII with NO L3 cache.

From recent news that I just read, the Athlon II dual core will have 2MB L3 cache (Regor) and the Phemon II X2 will have ALL 6MB L3 cache (Calisto).

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 7&Itemid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 6&Itemid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 6&Itemid=1

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But the current Kuma is a quad with two cores deactivated ... and Regor is or isn't ??

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Reply to reynod

joefriday wrote :

55nm is in relation to the chipset, not the CPU.

kk, silly me

joefriday wrote :

From recent news that I just read, the Athlon II dual core will have 2MB L3 cache (Regor) and the Phemon II X2 will have ALL 6MB L3 cache (Calisto).

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 7&Itemid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 6&Itemid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 6&Itemid=1

Fudzilla...

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reynod wrote :

But the current Kuma is a quad with two cores deactivated ... and Regor is or isn't ??

Who knows?

Only time tells.

Reply to amdfangirl

^2
I find fudzilla to be fairly accurate in reporting cpu release news. If you want a better source, simple google "calisto amd" and "regor amd" to find something more suitable.

Reply to joefriday

They are accurate sometimes, it just that I don't consider them a source.

I treat Fudzilla like the international montery fund. Good analysis, imagines where the world will be in the future, not always right, but yeah...

Reply to amdfangirl

I don't mind Fuddo. It's often contradictory and often plain wrong but what it isn't is Inq.

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Reply to randomizer

I5 is going to destroy it with it's 2 threads per core.

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

It will if you use software that can utilise 8 threads. For most tasks 4 threads is sufficient.

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Reply to randomizer

Random ol Fuad once worked at the Inq with Charlie and the rest of the gang.

Mike Magee trained them all ...

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Reply to reynod

randomizer wrote :

It will if you use software that can utilise 8 threads. For most tasks 4 threads is sufficient.

I was talking more about the dual core's over the quad's. If the Dual core's were available today i would have bought it over my I7

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Reply to PsychoSaysDie

randomizer wrote :

I don't mind Fuddo. It's often contradictory and often plain wrong but what it isn't is Inq.

I only kinda believe something when I see either pictures or a CPU-Z screenshot.

I only care about new products if I am in a position to upgrade my computer.

I only believe something is real when I see the press release.

What's nice about rumor sites it that if you read them enough you will indefinitely upgrade.

I'm analytical, I like solid scientific facts, and chocolate, I like that too or solid chocolate...

Reply to amdfangirl

reynod wrote :

Random ol Fuad once worked at the Inq with Charlie and the rest of the gang.

Mike Magee trained them all ...

I know, but Fuad isn't as bad as Charlie, especially when it comes to NVIDIA. I don't read NVIDIA articles by Charlie :pfff:

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Reply to randomizer

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=3457&p=2

I trust Annad a little more, and it shows a total of 2MB cache. That means at most 1MB L3. I think its a typo tho, and expect no L3 on the AthonII. If you notice on the roadmap pic, the castrated quad is also 2MB chace, which would be all L3 removed.

AHHA!!!! Found it http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8936.html

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Reply to B-Unit

AMD NETBOOK :ouch:

Now that is something i will buy...

My Intel atom never really impressed me all to well

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Reply to rewindlabs

randomizer wrote :

I know, but Fuad isn't as bad as Charlie, especially when it comes to NVIDIA. I don't read NVIDIA articles by Charlie :pfff:

His Nvidia articles are flame-bait

Reply to amdfangirl

rewindlabs wrote :

AMD NETBOOK :ouch:

Now that is something i will buy...

My Intel atom never really impressed me all to well

I'd prefer a cheap AMD sub-notebook, like 12" AMD Neo platform.

Reply to amdfangirl

Charlie's NVidia articles are the Inq's best stories.

Funny stuff and the posts they get back are sooo rabid.

Makes me laugh.

NVidia suck !!

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Reply to reynod

hehe,

"I agree"

Reply to amdfangirl

rewindlabs wrote :

AMD NETBOOK :ouch:

Now that is something i will buy...

My Intel atom never really impressed me all to well

Might not be a netbook though depending on the power in it.

TBH, a Netbook isn't really meant for much more. PPl talk about being able to game on it but with such a small screen and low power parts whats the use?

I wouldn't mind seeing a AMD low power CPU like Atom. But I doubt they will have on out anytime soon. They still need to recover first.

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Reply to jimmysmitty

Moderator Edit: Nice flamebait.

Message edited by randomizer on 04-28-2009 at 12:02:57 PM

Reply to sharken

I should add that I have a heap of NVidia cards ... I just stuck the new badges on them and effectively got a free upgrade !!

I swear they go faster with the new sticker !!!

yippee !!

Sharken sorry If we encouraged you to lash out ... no offence intended mate!

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Reply to reynod

its cool no prob, it was funny

Reply to sharken

Let's hope random doesn't get too corrupt or proud of his (Censored Message)

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Reply to amdfangirl

amdfangirl wrote :

kk, silly me

Fudzilla...

B-Unit wrote :

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipse [...] i=3457&p=2

I trust Annad a little more, and it shows a total of 2MB cache. That means at most 1MB L3. I think its a typo tho, and expect no L3 on the AthonII. If you notice on the roadmap pic, the castrated quad is also 2MB chace, which would be all L3 removed.

AHHA!!!! Found it http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8936.html

Looks like you and Fudo were both wrong and right. Athlon II with 1MB l2 cache per core and no L3 (Regor), and Athlon II with 512KB L2 cache and ALL 6 MB or L3 cache (Callisto). Interesting they added more L2 cache for Regor.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] -x2_2.html

Reply to joefriday

Fuad Abazovic, Charlie D, Theo Valich, all = FUD

I do respect Anand, he is one of the most respected names in the industry.

Reply to BadTRip

No, I was right, The 550 with the L3 (Callisto) is PhenomII branded.

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Rifter wrote :

Too little too latte, if all this is is a phenom II with 2 cores and possibly more cache then intel is going to murder them.(im not a intel fanboy i have owned 5 AMD cpus in my life and only 1 intel)

From wha I have heard is that the Athlon IIs are just Phenom IIs with 2-4 cores and no L3 cache. Possibly Phenom IIs that had bad L3 cache. Great strategy to sell every last chip. But the dual core variations will be quads with 2 bad cores and bad L3 I guess......

Shadow703793 wrote :

I think bringing back the brand is more marketing/psychological than any thing else. In most OCers mind the Phenom brand is/was considered sh!t, while the Athlon had a very good reputation. Bringing the Athlon brand back would probably divert attention from the Phenom failure.

(I find it ironic that Intel brought the "Pentium" name back, and unlike the old Pentium (aka P4/PD) the new one's were quite good and was good at OCing).

Brand name. The Pentium brand name was around for so long that it helpeed to keep CPUs selling while people got used to the Core name. Great marketing really by Intel.

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jimmysmitty wrote :

From wha I have heard is that the Athlon IIs are just Phenom IIs with 2-4 cores and no L3 cache. Possibly Phenom IIs that had bad L3 cache. Great strategy to sell every last chip. But the dual core variations will be quads with 2 bad cores and bad L3 I guess......

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Phenom II (Calisto) is harvested from Deneb chips, that explains the massive L3 cache. Athlon II (Regor) is a different die that doesn't possess any disabled cores, 1mb L2 cache per core instead of 512kb, and is a 65W part. AMD made it public knowledge before Phenom II even hit the market that the new 45nm Athlons to launch in the 2Q09 were to be native dual cores rather than quad rejects.

He said it with authority over at the AT Forum so it has to be true :whistle:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messag [...] TARTPAGE=2

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Reply to wisecracker

I'll believe it when I see it on Newegg.

Reply to amdfangirl

wisecracker wrote :

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Phenom II (Calisto) is harvested from Deneb chips, that explains the massive L3 cache. Athlon II (Regor) is a different die that doesn't possess any disabled cores, 1mb L2 cache per core instead of 512kb, and is a 65W part. AMD made it public knowledge before Phenom II even hit the market that the new 45nm Athlons to launch in the 2Q09 were to be native dual cores rather than quad rejects.

He said it with authority over at the AT Forum so it has to be true :whistle:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messag [...] TARTPAGE=2

Well either AMD needs to get their story straight or the fanbois need to stop guessing because I have seen multiple "answers" as to what Athlon II is.....

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Reply to jimmysmitty

Just wait for the release.

Seriously.

Reply to amdfangirl

Its both as was said earlier. One is a crippled quad, the other, a true new dual. Look at the power draws on them.

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Reply to jaydeejohn

Ok I'm utterly confused by this.

Is this a new architecture? Been reading stuff about Athlon II x3's and x4's as well...

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Reply to jennyh

jennyh wrote :

Ok I'm utterly confused by this.

Is this a new architecture? Been reading stuff about Athlon II x3's and x4's as well...

Athlon II X4/X3 is not a new architecture, just a budget version of Deneb. If rumors are correct though it is made from an entirely different and smaller die instead of a Deneb with disabled L3 cache. What that means is that it's cheaper to produce, and it's suppose to become the new mainstream chip for the new mainstream platform this fall. Also some impressive cherry picked down clocked 45W models are rumored as well.

Unfortunately the only leaked performance so far is a multithreaded Cinebench R10 showing at 2.8Ghz it only scores 8738 points while a 2.4Ghz Phenom 9750 scores slightly higher.

Reply to loneninja

/sarcasm: I thought deneb was already budget.

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