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Performance gain: Upgrading from 8600GT to 4670

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February 19, 2009 12:22:24 AM

Hi, I wanted to know the performance gain from upgrading from 8600GT (I OCed it to 670 Core and 470 Memory from 540/400 - It's the low profile version meaning only 400 instead of 700 stock memory :/ ) to the HD4670?

I usually just watch anime (avi/mkv formats with 640*480 to 1280*1024 pixel sizes). Sometimes 1280*1024 mkv lags a bit if I try to fast forward or something or if I have something running in the background but most of the time I download SD avi formats. I play Left 4 Dead every now and then...

Would there be enough of a performance gain to be worthy of upgrading seeing as I do those 2 tasks? (Well those are the 2 graphic-intensive tasks that I do usually)

I don't wanna get anything more expensive than a HD4670 though.

Reason why I got the 8600GT before was because I didn't have much cash to spend and I had a dell media pc meaning I could only get low profile cards and that was pretty much the best one I knew of for a cheap price but now I built a new system with a midi tower so I can fit full size graphics cards.

Also just to let you guys know, my current system is a E5200 OCed to 3.1ghz on a P5KPL-AM mobo (I might get a better one soon because I think the mobo is the thing holding my OC back and it doesn't have many options in the bios to tweak stuff :?) with 2gb Xm2 corsair ram with windows XP SP2. 550W PSU with triple 12V rails with 14A-16A-14A on the rails (forgot how much wattage is on the 12V rail combined though x.x) but it doesn't have a PCI-E connector or whatever you call them.

Thanks in advance!
February 19, 2009 1:25:26 AM

well I think to date, the best price/performance card, even better than the 9600 GT and 8800 GT would be the 4830.

I see it ontop of every Price/performance charts. :) 

I would say bite the bullet see if you can grab a 4830 (or 9800 GT (8800 GT)) which ever you can find cheaper.

Since you said that you don't want to buy anything higher than a 4670 it looks like you already made your decision, I mean the 4670 I've seen being almost double the performance:) 

Though it doesn't have much gaming life in it, seeing as even my 9700M GTS in my laptop is a better card than the 4670 and its starting to struggle in some games with AA (Crysis aside, since that game kills alot of systems).

a c 171 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 1:27:39 AM

While the 4670 is the better card, I'm not sure its worth the money to get it. Your only moving up one card. Double check your settings and system to make sure everything is as it should be. E5200 + 8600GT should be able to run video just fine. Sounds like something else is going on.
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February 19, 2009 2:34:55 AM

For the Left4Dead comparison, I ran the demo at max settings with a 2.6Ghz AMD X2 and an HD 4670 at a high enough fps for me, probably 40+ (if my memory serves).
February 19, 2009 9:54:31 AM

4830 requires a 6 pin connector though and it's around £100... That's too expensive for me.

My PSU doesn't have a 6 pin connector and I don't want to upgrade to another PSU as I'm not gonna be playing something like Crysis 24/7. It'll be more of a Left 4 Dead once or twice every week and around 30mins-2 hours of anime daily.

But 8600GT + E5200 should be able to handle that right? Meaning there's no point to upgrade to 4670 then?

It hasn't lagged lately since I upgraded to E5200 from a 3800+ Athlon X2 (not THAT much difference from what I can tell though in real world usage) but maybe I wouldn't know. I'm only a noob when it comes to these things xD
a c 192 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 1:13:48 PM

I count a six-tier difference on Cleeve's chart between the 8600GT and the 4670. I think you'd see a pretty big difference. A 4650, which is cheaper, is still five tiers better. I believe either would be worthwhile.
For your PSU not to have a PCI-E power connector suggests it uses a very old and inefficient design, was very cheap, or both. Most likely, at best it isn't good for anywhere near 550W, or most of that is on the +3.3V/+5V rails where it's useless. At worst, it would release the magic blue smoke if you tried to power a 4830 with it (using a power adapter), possibly taking other parts with it. What brand and model is it?
a c 171 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 1:14:22 PM

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The 4670 is more like 5 steps ahead of the 8600gt in gaming terms, although I'd agree that simple video shouldnt be causing problems on an 8500gt.


I disagree. The 4670 ~ 9600GSO, and the 8600GT isn't that much slower then the 9600GSO. Maybe two cards, but not even close to 5. Again, I said it was the better card, but its probably not worth the money to do that small of an upgrade.

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It hasn't lagged lately since I upgraded to E5200 from a 3800+ Athlon X2 (not THAT much difference from what I can tell though in real world usage)


But there was, you said it yourself. If it hasn't lagged the video, the 5200 is better. L4D is the deciding factor, how well does it run on your system?
February 19, 2009 1:44:46 PM

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But there was, you said it yourself. If it hasn't lagged the video, the 5200 is better. L4D is the deciding factor, how well does it run on your system?


Oops, my bad, I meant with my old processor it did. (AthlonX2 3800+) But I don't think processor affects video much does it?

Hmm just did a quick test right now with a 400mb mkv 1280*720 and it didn't lag at all even though I have Orthos running atm (blend). I'm guessing I can watch anime without any problems now. With a 1.13gb avi 704*396 file it also doesn't lag at all. Weird. Maybe it's because I reinstalled XP? Using the same graphics card and HDD as from when I had the 3800+. Well I guess in the media aspect I won't need an upgrade.

Not sure about L4D atm, my pc wasn't running stable so it crashed when I played it earlier. Hence I am running Orthos right now with blend test. No problems since I set back my E5200 to 3.08ghz instead of the 3.1ghz but I'm gonna leave it on for longer.

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For your PSU not to have a PCI-E power connector suggests it uses a very old and inefficient design, was very cheap, or both. Most likely, at best it isn't good for anywhere near 550W, or most of that is on the +3.3V/+5V rails where it's useless. At worst, it would release the magic blue smoke if you tried to power a 4830 with it (using a power adapter), possibly taking other parts with it. What brand and model is it?


It's a Z-power Compucase PSU (People who made Arctic power)
Here are the specs: http://www.compucase-hec.co.uk/psu_zpower.htm

It has 16/18/16 amps on the triple rails giving 395W on the 12V rails combined. Should be enough for my system. And to be honest, my computer is on quite a lot and I don't play more than 10 hours of games a week so it would be a waste of power to get a graphics card that draws power from the PSU I think... Hence why I thought 4670 would also be a good choice.

However my main question was is the 4670 worth upgrading to as it's not that much higher than the 8600GT and because I don't play the most demanding games. (I don't need 1000fps in L4D lol)
February 19, 2009 1:44:54 PM

if the 9600 GSO is equal to 4670 then look at this:



the 4670 is pretty much double the 8600 GTS (oced 8600 GT) I would say that, its much stronger, if it doubles it.
February 19, 2009 1:55:40 PM

lol jynx:) 
February 19, 2009 4:13:51 PM

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A 4670 is almost doubling fps over an 8600gts, which is slightly higher specced than an 8600gt.

It's not a small upgrade, its the difference between having a playable gaming card and not having one.


Hmm, it shows that it doubles FPS but is that in every situation though?
a c 192 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 5:09:02 PM

In enough situations that it will be a worthwhile upgrade, yes.

HEC does not make quality PSUs. Yours should handle a 4670, but I would not trust it to run a 4830 or better.
February 19, 2009 6:32:09 PM

It really is, Ulti. The difference between the 8600GTS and 9600GSO/GT is massive. Remeber this, the 9600GSO is an 8800GS, and the 9600GT is a little faster.
February 19, 2009 7:07:30 PM

So in the end, the answer is yes I would benefit from upgrading? Well of course I'd benefit but I mean it would be worth it?

Also, I was thinking that a PSU with 400W on the 12V rail without a 6-pin connector would be plenty seeing as I wasn't gonna be getting an 8800GT or anything better than that I didn't bother investing in a better PSU. Also I only use a E5200 and it's 45nm so low power consumption and only 1 HDD and no other hardware, not even a DVD drive lol. I might get another HDD in a year or so as after a year of use I've filled up almost half my HDD. Anyway, in the end my PC is a budget pc and I'm only doing light gaming anyway so yeah. Wasn't gonna upgrade from an 8600GT anyway but had a bit of extra cash so I thought, investing in my pc or going out a few times xD
February 19, 2009 7:20:05 PM

anyway you could save up for a little while longer and get you a better psu aswell?

8600gt on my friends computer runs cod4 at medium settings ok, so i dont see why you cant just hang on a little while and save up enough for both.
February 19, 2009 7:40:49 PM

Well it's not hard to save up, it's just I'd rather save up torwards going to Uni or just spend the money going out if I won't benefit that much from upgrading my pc.
a c 171 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 8:34:55 PM

CPU power matters a lot for fast forward in video, or for preventing skips. My old single core AMD 3500+ could barely handle running HD video. I couldn't use FF at all, the video would freeze. (I suspect VLC doesn't use the video card to handle rendering, anyone know if this is true?) My new E6600 can not only use FF, but I can use 4x FF without hiccups. Now if I choose to use FF while watching HD content, I know when to stop.

I also agree with the others, the PSU isn't the best. 3 bad rails doesn't make it good. As was mentioned, if it lacks the 6pin PCIe connector, then its either old or a bad design.

@Liquid, thats a benchie for one game. Any others? I'm not saying the 4670 is a bad card, nor do I mean to sing the praises of the 8600GT. I know when that card came out that many were upset because it wasn't much faster then the 7600GT, nor would it run DX10 code fast enough. I am slightly surprised to see that the 4670 is double the speed of the 8600GT, but if it is then it is. If I was the OP, I'd look at some benchies of the 4670 and the 8600GT and see if its worth the $$$. From memory, for occasional gaming, the 8600GT is probably enough.
February 19, 2009 8:41:19 PM

Ah I never knew that, I just thought as it was visual then it would be graphics card related but then yeah, videos play a lot "better" now since I upgraded. Well not a lot but I don't have any problems at all in handling them now.

Does having this PSU really screw up my PC though?

And yeah, that's what I'm asking as I only do OCCASIONAL LIGHT gaming, should I bother upgrading? It's like an opportunity cost.
a c 192 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 8:48:58 PM

Once you're in Uni, do you think you'll have any opportunity to upgrade? This might be your last chance for a while. Unless you have other obligations, now is the time to upgrade, before you can't.
February 19, 2009 9:27:13 PM

I'll have more of a chance to upgrade then than I do now. At the moment anything that comes through the post PC related gets me a lecture from my parents lol.
a c 171 U Graphics card
February 19, 2009 11:16:59 PM

Opportunity cost? Well, I know what your major is now...

That PSU might or might not screw up your computer at some point. The problem with the cheap ones is that if a power surge hits, it might just pass that on to your computer parts. (causing death.) If the caps inside die, the power ripple might exceed ATX specs and will get passed on to your computer parts. (causing death.) As PSUs age, they tend to die anyways, so who knows what might happen. Two words to take from this are "might", and "death". Might means this could happen, or it won't. None of us know for sure. Death means your parts die, and won't work anymore. For me, I'd rather spend $50-$80 on a good PSU, so that my $800 in other computer parts don't die. If you don't care, or are willing to risk it, then don't worry about it. Remember opportunity cost? Only you can answer this.
February 20, 2009 12:46:27 AM

you'd be better off sticking with the 8600gt and getting a new psu, depending how long you've had the psu, 3 rails and 550w will lose capacity, which all psu's do, so actually if everyone would stop whining about having "overkilled" psu's on different threads, as time passes Wattage will always die out, so having a little more is actually ok. Depending on how old it is, you could be only using around say...400w or less right now.

February 20, 2009 10:02:13 AM

Well it's almost 2 weeks old...
February 20, 2009 11:30:43 AM

oh,, well then its still new, but an old style psu??

whats the brand and psu watts..
February 20, 2009 1:13:10 PM

well if your going to upgrade anything, it'd be that first, no 6pin no 8pin connectors, low railing on triple. For Light gaming your 8600gt is fine.

Like i said my friend runs an 8600 and he runs just fine on games like lineage 2/cod4/bf2.

February 20, 2009 1:23:35 PM

Well seeing as I'm NEVER gonna get a graphics card that will require a 6pin/8pin connector and that it provides 400W on the 12V rail I don't think I'll bother.

And if the 8600GT is fine for light gaming then so be it. Won't need to upgrade then.

Thanks for everyone's help
a c 171 U Graphics card
February 20, 2009 2:33:42 PM

Never say never. Good luck.
February 20, 2009 2:59:13 PM

Hopefully some where down the line, you'll get the upgrade, but, for what your doing right now you should be fine.

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