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January 25, 2009 1:41:10 AM

Well before I give you all the things you need to know, let me tell you a bit of background. First off this is my very first computer I'm building (really excited). In the system specs are the things I want to be in the system not what is on my system. I'm basing most of my decisions on this this

I'm a multitasker, a big one. Right now I have 15 tabs in mozilla firefox running, I have something downloading in the background, I'm listending to music, I also have many things in the system tray, like rockstar games social club, network magic, xfire, steam, skype, and the list goes on and on. I was hoping to have a game in the background as well with this new system.

I'll put a score out of 10 to tell you how knowledgeable I am in the subject. Anything in (parenthesis) is extra info about it. Anything in [brackets] tells the budget of that specific part. Each thing in the system specs is something I'm looking at buying not what I already have.


System Specs
Budget:$800 - $1000 (up to a $100 over budget would be fine) ?/10

VGA: (I'll use 2 Graphics cards, Crossfire or SLI supported) 9/10

Monitor:19 - 22 inch 6/10

MotherBoard: P45 or x58 2/10 [???]

Operating System:Windows Vista Home Premium or Ultimate 8/10

Browser:Mozilla Firefox/Chrome if it helps 10/10

CPU:Quad core or i7 [$300 at the most]

Sound:Is it really important to have one? 2/10

What I'll do with the computer:Everything though I'll do a lot more gaming with this card.

Memory:4GB- 6GB (depends on Quad core or i7) [???] 7/10 PSU:500

Watts - 700 Watts 4/10 Brand:As long as it doesn't suck!

HD:500 GB - 1TB [???] 5/10

Cooling:If I need it 1/10

Misc:Wireless networking card if it fits budget 3/10
January 25, 2009 2:25:37 AM

I wouldn't recommend sli or i7 on that budget.
Q9400, p45 motherboard, 4 gigs of ddr2 800, gtx 260+, terabyte hard drive...
That's $700ish leaving the rest for the monitor and case/psu.
January 25, 2009 2:33:24 AM
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January 25, 2009 2:36:02 AM

Let's clarify a bit:

You have $1100 (USA dollars) at most.
You need to fit a monitor and Windows too in this budget.
You want a gaming machine.
You want an Intel MB (P45; forget X58 on your budget)
You want a quad CPU (multitasking like crazy, etc.)
You don't care if the video card supports Crossfire or SLI but you do want to have two cards eventually. (forget buying two good cards on your budget)

Let's start with the obvious parts:

Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit OEM $100 (Newegg prices)
Monitor - around $200 for a decent 22" LCD widescreen

You're left with $800 for the actual tower.

Q6600 retail - about $180 (I'm on dial-up and too lazy to check Newegg so prices are approximate, sorry; also, where I don't give you links, look them up on Newegg)
GA-EP45-UD3P $115 - supports Crossfire
HD 4850 $135
S75CF $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011&Tpk=S75CF
RC-690, $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137
RAM $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231219&Tpk=G.Skill%20HK
SH-S223F
WD6401AALS

Add shipping costs and I think that's about it for your budget. Add a second video card and a HDT-S1283 later and overclock if you want.

January 25, 2009 2:43:16 AM



Excellent setup. I'd go with it, with these changes only:
- WD6401AALS is almost 50% faster than WD5000AAKS and cheaper per GB
- the Xigmatek is not necessary, because the CPU is retail (comes with cooler) and the OP is not ready to overclock
- the PC Power & Cooling 750W is basically the same PSU as the Corsair 650TX, but more powerful and $10 less

January 25, 2009 2:55:08 AM

aevm said:
Excellent setup. I'd go with it, with these changes only:
- WD6401AALS is almost 50% faster than WD5000AAKS and cheaper per GB
- the Xigmatek is not necessary, because the CPU is retail (comes with cooler) and the OP is not ready to overclock
- the PC Power & Cooling 750W is basically the same PSU as the Corsair 650TX, but more powerful and $10 less


I agree with most of that. I was just trying to stay under his 1100. The 650tx has a combo with the p5q pro which brought it under the 1100 budget, the pc 750watt brings total to $1,108.20 Yeah its only 8 bucks more but he said the 1100 was his max so I stuck with it :)  For the same reason I picked the 500gb over the 640gb. If OP can spend the additional $18 then yeah I would get the 640gb and 750watt

If OP dosent want to overclock at all then yeah scratch the cooler, but the p5q pro, ocz ram, hdt dark knight will overclock nicely and is user friendly. I have not overclocked until i bought those components and I got my E6550 (2.33ghz) running at 3.5ghz by only upping the fsb and vcore. I think if the OP wants to overclock he can without much trouble. Plus the Dark Knight Cooler looks sick on the p5q pro :) 





January 25, 2009 2:59:09 AM

aevm said:
Let's clarify a bit:

You have $1100 (USA dollars) at most.
You need to fit a monitor and Windows too in this budget.
You want a gaming machine.
You want an Intel MB (P45; forget X58 on your budget)
You want a quad CPU (multitasking like crazy, etc.)
You don't care if the video card supports Crossfire or SLI but you do want to have two cards eventually. (forget buying two good cards on your budget)

Let's start with the obvious parts:

Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit OEM $100 (Newegg prices)
Monitor - around $200 for a decent 22" LCD widescreen

You're left with $800 for the actual tower.

Q6600 retail - about $180 (I'm on dial-up and too lazy to check Newegg so prices are approximate, sorry; also, where I don't give you links, look them up on Newegg)
GA-EP45-UD3P $115 - supports Crossfire
HD 4850 $135
S75CF $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011&Tpk=S75CF
RC-690, $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137
RAM $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231219&Tpk=G.Skill%20HK
SH-S223F
WD6401AALS

Add shipping costs and I think that's about it for your budget. Add a second video card and a HDT-S1283 later and overclock if you want.


Yes you are right on all things. Here is a real quick question, do you think I get the monitor from Circuit City for a lesser price since they are having that huge sale of theirs? I could save a lot of money doing that and invest into another project.
January 25, 2009 3:05:32 AM

By all means, go there and see what you can find. It's smart to buy monitors from a brick-and-mortar store anyway because you get to see how they feel. Maybe they'll even let you check for dead pixels before you buy.



January 25, 2009 3:32:05 AM

well theres nothing making you go buy windows..................

imo get an S1283, but don't get the bloody dark knight version... the S1283 red scorpion is like $20 cheaper and just as godo if not better. it ahs nickel plating on the bits that matter - the heatpipes. the dark knight has plating on the aluminium fins. ever heard of aluminium fins rusting? i havent.

if you're not overclocking, you should be. buying a Q6600 and not ocing it is SIN i tell you :p 
January 25, 2009 3:43:38 AM

Also check like craigslist, a lot of the time people overspend their budgets and buy nice monitors and then have to sell them. I bought a copy of windows vista premium 64 for $50. It pays to shop around!
January 25, 2009 2:03:30 PM

Looking through my local craigslist I found a monitor that are selling for $10 cheeper than the one you are suggesting.
Gateway HD2200 Black-Silver 22"

Again, when it comes to monitors I'm a newb. So, what do you suggest? This one on craigslist is selling for $150 and has been in use for a few months. It looks better than the other however I can't tell whether it is or not. Any suggestions?

Oh, by the way I will overclock it. Oh and xthekidx you were right I found Windows Vista ultimate for $60!

Why do I need to install a 64 bit? And will all the items I'm getting be compatible with 64-bit?
January 25, 2009 3:16:33 PM

32 bit Windows can only utilize 3.2-3.5 gigs of ram.
January 25, 2009 3:37:17 PM

If you have a desktop then you want to get 64 bit, otherwise you will not be able to use more than 4 gigs. IMO only laptops should use 32 bit. Make sure that Vista Ultimate is a 64 bit version.
January 25, 2009 5:33:47 PM

Going with your suggestions I tried to see what alternatives that were cheaper and had the exact same or better features. Here is the list.

Cases Done! Thanks you aevm again for your wonderful support

Power Supply Another one down by aevm

nothing for the CPU

Memory
I'll be checking up on compatible ram in a bit.

nothing for the motherboard though looking at the motherboard you suggested more thoroughly are you sure that the memory is compatible? Still need to figure out if memory will be supported on this mobo(motherboard)
Solved! Thanks for the help

none for CPU cooler

Hardrive Solved! I'm getting a bit more expensive one but it proves to be more bang for it's buck!

DVD burners Solved! Sticking to original.

Right now for my Graphics/Video card I have a 4670 HD, it works spectacular! Would it be better to get 2 of those instead of 1 4850? Solved! I'm getting a 4850. Thanks aevm!

Monitor
Solved for the most part. I'll go with aevm on this one but I'll still be looking at the other monitor just in case. I'll be using craigslist for the gateway monitor ($150). So it just may be a better deal to get that monitor than the other

Keep in mind that I'll be using Craigslist for the Gateway monitor if that's prefered. The cost there was $150

People also looked into this here: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/467734/ShowThread.aspx#4... can't tell which one is better though.

Right now 25 tabs open. Music in the background, instaling an application, planning to download something soon.
Here is a picture to show you.
January 25, 2009 5:49:35 PM

A HD 4850 will beat two HD 4670, even in games that support Crossfire very well. It's 800 stream processors against 2*320. On the other hand, with two HD 4670 you can connect 3 or even 4 monitors, while with the HD 4850 you are limited to 2.


January 25, 2009 8:16:32 PM

One problem solved! 7 more to go. And those are the major ones! If anyone can tell me about the monitors say something same goes with everything else. I'm not that great with this however I know you guys are. It'll help out a great deal!
January 25, 2009 9:25:38 PM

Let's talk about those cases then: a quick look at your link shows
6 reviews for ARK GL-09A
2 reviews for COOLER MASTER Elite RC-332-KKN1-GP
749 reviews for the Antec 300

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Antec 300 is probably better in that price range, since so many people preferred it.
Among other things, it's the widest of the three (18.5" x 7.9" x 16.9", 19.1'' x 7.5'' x 16.6'', 18" x 18.3" x 8.1") and that means it has the best chance to fit a good CPU cooler.

About the PSUs: the 650TX is the best of all those 4.

There's also a PC Power & Cooling 750W S75CF for $70 after rebate at newegg, but I'm not sure if it fits in those cases. It would fit in a RC-690, if you're interested in that case.
January 25, 2009 11:53:08 PM

Good suggestions from aevm and mebumbum.

With lots of multitasking, I would get 8gb. Corsair 4gb kits are $25 after rebate on egg.
The extra ram keeps the many tasks from interfering with each other.
Vista-64 will be needed to address over 4gb.

The Antec 300 looks like a great case to me. I have had very good experience with Antec cases, and their support is good.
Watch shipping costs; cases are heavy, and can cost $20 in shipping.

Since you do lots of multitasking, look at your monitor options carefully. Spend more there if you can, because you will be looking at the same display through several generations of pc. In particular, see how much display real estate you can get.
See if you can't justify a 24" 1920x1200 monitor.

Alternatively, you would get more display area with two 19" monitors vs a single 24" monitor.
January 26, 2009 12:03:10 AM

with a 19 or 22 inch monitor you do not need 2 gfx cards


January 26, 2009 12:17:04 AM

To avem: thanks for the support you helped me a lot. I'll use most of your suggestions if not all. Thanks to you Power Supply problem solved, Case problem solved, I'll look into the cooler, thought I think it may be better to stick with the XIGMATEK just for cost purposes. Cooler problem solved

To jyjjy: I figured out that other places may be cheaper. I know I won't buy everything from newegg (unless shipping is free). Though thanks for the suggestion of the site. I'll shop there and compare items when I'm fully ready.

To geofelt: Multitasking is something important in my life (exactly 25 tabs open as of now) I did free up some money because of Craigslist so I'll see what is left over the total cost. Right now I'm $100 overbudget shrinking it down will be tough especially with shipping charges. We'll see how things work out. With the monitor, I'll use the 22" first then move over to get an extra one at a later time since that will be way over my budget.

To xthekidx: Yes it's 64-bit just talked to the guy about it.

3 down 4 more to go!

January 26, 2009 12:27:01 AM

OK, about the DVDs now: between those two, I'd prefer LG to Asus. LG makes fantastic DVD burners, they've always worked great for me. The only issue is they some times handicap them to rip DVDs slower than they could, for politically correct reasons. That can be fixed with Media Code Speed Edit, mind you. You could also check out the SH-S223F, it's very popular.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151171&Tpk=SH-S223F
January 26, 2009 12:31:59 AM

HDD: I hate to do this to you, since you're overbudget, but the fact is I wouldn't buy any of those HDDs you set up for comparison. They are slow or flaky or both. What I would buy is a WD6401AALS ($80) or a WD6400AAKS ($75).
January 26, 2009 1:01:22 AM

So far I saved:
$10 on monitor (either one)
$30 on Windows.
$10 on Case

With the extra items added:
-$15 on HDD

Still trying to go to my normal budget of $1000
about $65 left to go!

I'll edit this post as well as the comparison list above as time goes on.

To aevm: I hope you are right on that HDD and I'll stick with the original one by LG just for the sake for keeping that dollar.
5 down 3 to go!
January 26, 2009 1:09:40 AM

OK, I'm lost, which 3 are left?
January 26, 2009 1:15:16 AM

Ok, here they are:
Motherboard: Need to make sure memory is compatible with it. I saw some conflicting data when it comes to ddr2. mobo: ddr2 1200 memory: ddr21066. Will that have any problems?

Memory: Look at the link it's a comparison chart. I can't tell if there is a difference and what is better.

Monitor: Look at the link for the comparison chart. Still can't tell what is better. The gateway monitor is on craigslist for $150 so ignore the price of that.

Those are the last 3
January 26, 2009 1:33:31 AM

Motherboard: the Asus P5Q Pro is good, but the GA-EP45-UD3P is better and costs exactly the same.

RAM: you're looking at DDR2-1066 but you're not ready to overclock. You don't even have a high-end cpu cooler on the list. I think you're better off with some good DDR2-800. Here's an example:
G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231219

Monitor: I'd pick the Acer. Same as with the case choice - if a monitor has 1188 reviews and another one has 46, chances are the first one is a better deal. Besides, it's $35 less and would help with your budget.
January 26, 2009 1:54:05 AM

Well that solves most of the problems. I'll pick up the Acer, the new motherboard looks great. However I still need to find out if it can support a DDR2-1066 or a DDR2 800 if the motherboard has a DDR2 1333 memory standard.
January 26, 2009 2:07:43 AM


I'm heading off to bed. I'll look at all responses in the morning! I don't know how many questions I have left to go. But I know it's either 1 or 2. I'll see in the morning what replies have been made. I just hope that the answer about the DDR2 memory standard problem can be solved by the time I wake up. That way it'll make life easier.

Good Night! :sleep: 
January 26, 2009 2:39:44 AM

The "memory standard" rating on a motherboard is just the maximum RAM speed it's rated to run. You really don't have a need for anything more than quality DDR2 800 RAM as aevm said. I'd go with the G.skill RAM aevm linked above.
January 26, 2009 3:30:13 AM

shortstuff_mt said:
The "memory standard" rating on a motherboard is just the maximum RAM speed it's rated to run. You really don't have a need for anything more than quality DDR2 800 RAM as aevm said. I'd go with the G.skill RAM aevm linked above.


true.

For any ram you are considering, do your own homework.
Go to the ram vendor's web site, and access their configurator.
Corsair, Kingston, Patriot, OCZ and others have them.
Their compatibility list is more current than the motherboard vendor's QVL lists which rarely get updated.
Enter your mobo or PC, and get a list of compatible ram sticks.

Core 2 cpu's are not very sensitive to ram speeds.
If you look at real application and game benchmarks(vs. synthetic tests),
you will see negligible difference in performance between the slowest and fastest ram.
Perhaps 1-2%. Not worth it to me.
Don't pay extra for faster ram or better timings unless you are a maximum overclocker.

Here is a good on corsair ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 26, 2009 10:21:25 AM

Hm..., Tough decision, I'll go with geofelt just because of shipping and rebates. It really just had to come down to cost. Though I'll look into it a bit more than this because research is needed more especially when trying to figure out if it is compatible with the motherboard. I'll post everything in a while from now.
January 26, 2009 12:49:50 PM

Here's a useful cheat: go to Newegg's site, display the reviews of the motherboard, then see what kind of RAM people are using with it. If they gave the MB 5 eggs and don't mention RAM problems it's most likely safe to get that RAM.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358

It works the other way too, looking at the reviews of the RAM and seeing if anybody uses it with the MB you want. For example the G.Skill I mentioned works with GA-EP45-UD3R, which is not a 100% guarantee that it works with the GA-EP45-UD3P but it's very promising. The Corsair Geofelt recommended does even better - here's a sample review:

Quote:

Pros: Great bang for the buck... works great with my GA-EP45-UD3P

Cons: NONE

Other Thoughts: NEW EGG ROCKS ... THANKS

January 26, 2009 10:35:30 PM

I looked at all ram suggested all of them are compatible with the motherboard. I'm actually going to readdress the monitor issue. Again I"m a newb when it comes to monitors as well.
I'm 99% sure on this but backup will do great a 2500:1 contrast ration is better than a 1000:1 ratio. Am I right?

And yes like I said before I will overclock at some point when I purchase it so I'll keep the OCZ but if not I'll go with the crosair that geofelt recommended.
January 26, 2009 10:47:13 PM

In theory 2500:1 is better than 1000:1, yes. In practice, I have two monitors side by side, an LG with 2000:1 and a Samsung with 3000:1, and can't say there's a difference. In fact I had no clue until a minute ago which one had the better contrast ratio - I had to look them up.
January 26, 2009 10:50:39 PM

Contrast ratio is mostly for advertising IMO. I can never tell the difference. When looking at monitors, pay more attention to the response time (2ms, 5ms, 25ms...ect). That is a much better indication of monitor performance, as well as resolution. Only the very well trained eye would probably be able to tell the differnce between 5ms and 2ms, maybe.
January 26, 2009 10:54:09 PM

Yeah, well, if you see 25ms run away. :) 
January 26, 2009 10:55:16 PM

lol yeah last time i saw one was on craigslist, I think it was like a 3 year old pos monitor
January 26, 2009 11:21:33 PM

One spec which I think is important is the viewing angle. If you look at an LCD straight on, it will look good. When you move your head to the side, or up and down, then it will begin to look washed out. A top end LCD will have a viewing angle of 178/178 horizontal and vertical. A cheaper unit will be more like 160/160.
January 26, 2009 11:40:32 PM

good point, but how often are you looking at your monitor from a 160 degree angle? I'm usually sitting in front of my monitor, If I want to watch a movie and sit on the couch, I have a TV for that.
January 27, 2009 12:03:07 AM

Ok, thanks for the advice I have a new monitor to look at

Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor
It will be the one I'll be getting by Craigslist for $150

or a

Gateway HD2200 Black-Silver 22" 4ms
I can get this at craigslist for $150 as well


Should I use one of those 2 monitors or stick with the

Acer X223Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen

which is $10 more than the ones listed at craigslist.

If anything I may pick the Gateway for the cheapness. And it being a bit better than the other Acer listed in Craigslist
January 27, 2009 12:07:47 AM

IIRC Newegg lets you return a monitor if it has 8 or more dead pixels. Are you getting any such guarantees with Craigslist?
January 27, 2009 10:04:05 AM

That would be ok, but I'll make sure to test it before buying it. Or at least ask the guy if I could test it (which I'm in the process of doing).

Awesome question for me to ponder on. I'll talk to the guy if I could look at it first. However, I don't know which one to talk to! I may talk to the gateway monitor guy first because I like that monitor but if you know which is the better monitor tell me so I can contact him first.
January 27, 2009 12:47:49 PM

OK, this is totally unscientific, but did you notice that the Acer models have 1900 and 1200 reviews at Newegg, mostly 5 eggs, while the Gateway has only 47? The Acer models are safer, IMO.
January 27, 2009 4:20:56 PM

I think the reason they have more reviews is because people are looking for deals at newegg, and acer's are always going to be cheaper than HP, Dell, Gateway monitors ect. But I think that the Gateway will probably be better quality. But definitely go test them both out before you decide which to buy.
January 27, 2009 4:39:31 PM

True. Gateway does get good reviews in magazines.

@OP: when you test them out, try these two things:

1. look at the monitors from an angle (vertical and horizontal). Most monitors claim 160 degrees viewing angle, but there are big variations in real life.

2. open Paint, set the image size to something huge, fill it with white, view full screen. repeat with black and then with red. That should show you any dead/stuck pixels pretty fast.
January 27, 2009 4:55:57 PM

Thanks for the advice when it comes to monitors. They haven't replied yet so it is starting to worry me. I'll put up a list about all the items that I'm getting
Right now as far as websites go I'm looking at
Newegg.com
Craigslist
Tigerdirect
Buy.com (maybe)
Amazon
Microcenter
mwave (recommended buy my comp sci teacher)
frys (recommended buy aevm)
ncixus (recommended buy aevm as well)
Zipzoomfly (Aevm again!)

Am I forgetting any?
January 27, 2009 4:58:51 PM

www.ncixus.com too. Their Canadian version is one of the best Canadian sites.
!