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January 30, 2009 6:21:08 PM

Would you good people critique my choice of hardware for a guy who doesn't do a lot of gaming? I do not really use the apps that would take a quad core processor so that is why I chose the E8400 and for its "overclockability". OS for now will be XP Pro 32bit. I would appreciate any suggestions if there are any better choices in parts. Unless I made any great blunders I am going to order this system tomorrow before the rebates end.....


LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $104.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail $79.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $37.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3R LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $104.99 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail $164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 30, 2009 6:36:46 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
The build looks good - nice job! :) 

You might want to upgrade to the GA-EP45-UD3P so you have the option of crossfire later. You can get the E8400 & GA-EP45-UD3P in a combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $284.98 - $20 MIR


What is the difference between that board and the one I chose other than and extra PCI Express slot? Is there any disadvantage of losing a PCI slot because it's legacy technology? What would be the advantage over the UD3R? I am considering your suggestions and it's cheaper than my selection with the combo price. Thank you very much for the idea..... :hello: 
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January 30, 2009 6:44:04 PM

The difference between the motherboards is the extra PCI-E slot for crossfire (like you mentioned) and an extra LAN port. I just suggested the UD3P because it will allow you to add another 4850 later when the new games require a little more power. If you don't think you'll ever add another GPU, you can just stick with the UD3R. The UD3R also has a combo with the E8400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $269.98 - $15 MIR
January 30, 2009 6:58:29 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
The difference between the motherboards is the extra PCI-E slot for crossfire (like you mentioned) and an extra LAN port. I just suggested the UD3P because it will allow you to add another 4850 later when the new games require a little more power. If you don't think you'll ever add another GPU, you can just stick with the UD3R. The UD3R also has a combo with the E8400:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $269.98 - $15 MIR


I understand the advantage of getting an extra vid card slot.

Ok I am going to ask a noob question. Is there any disadvantage to losing a PCI slot? I am coming off an old system I built that used AGP and PCI slots and I know the technology has advanced since then but my knowledge has not.....lol.
It seems all the new stuff is going to PCI Express anyway. If my thinking is right the PCI slot will only be good for legacy equipment in the future. Do I make any sense?

Is there any reason to go bigger on the power supply like say 750 Watt?

I think I am just about ready to settle on this system and order it tomorrow.
January 30, 2009 7:12:41 PM

I wouldn't worry much about losing a PCI slot. The UD3P has two slots, which should be plenty. Do you have some specific PCI devices you are looking at using? Current motherboards have so many onboard devices (sound, LAN, etc...), most users don't ever need more than two PCI slots. I guess it's up to you. I personally would rather have the option of crossfire than an extra PCI slot, but that's just my opinion. I certainly can't make that decision for you. If you think you'll need more than two PCI slots and don't see yourself ever needing crossfire, get the UD3R. They're both great boards, just pick the one that suits your needs.

I don't see any reason to upgrade from the 650TX. That PSU will easily power that system, even if you add another 4850 in crossfire. If you'd like a little extra headroom, these PSU's are an excellent value:

PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99 - $40 MIR

or the black one for $10 more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 - $40 MIR
January 30, 2009 8:39:31 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
I wouldn't worry much about losing a PCI slot. The UD3P has two slots, which should be plenty. Do you have some specific PCI devices you are looking at using? Current motherboards have so many onboard devices (sound, LAN, etc...), most users don't ever need more than two PCI slots. I guess it's up to you. I personally would rather have the option of crossfire than an extra PCI slot, but that's just my opinion. I certainly can't make that decision for you. If you think you'll need more than two PCI slots and don't see yourself ever needing crossfire, get the UD3R. They're both great boards, just pick the one that suits your needs.

I don't see any reason to upgrade from the 650TX. That PSU will easily power that system, even if you add another 4850 in crossfire. If you'd like a little extra headroom, these PSU's are an excellent value:

PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99 - $40 MIR

or the black one for $10 more

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 - $40 MIR



Believe me I am not asking you to make my mind up for me just give me an opinion is all my friend.

What you said made good sense. I don't need a sound card or any other PCI card for that matter with this mobo. The only PCI slot I am presently using is for my sound card. I may decide to get another IDE controller but there is ample room for that. At the same time I do not see myself getting a second video card either but having that option is more useful than PCI slots for legacy hardware I think.

One thing I did notice after looking at those PCP&C power supplies is the massive amount of claimed failures or DOA's in the reviews for the red 750Watt unit especially. I bought an Antec Tru-Power 430 watt supply years back thinking it would be big enough for anything in my next build. Boy how things have changed! The only reason I can see for going to a bigger supply for me now is some attempt at future proofing the same thing happening again. That Red 750 watt supply is $10 cheaper and tempting for sure but the reported failure rate was alarming.
January 30, 2009 8:45:27 PM

It sounds to me like the UD3P would be a better choice for your intended use.

PC Power & Cooling is a very highly-regarded PSU manufacturer. I don't think you have anything to worry about. You can't really make any decisions about PSU's based off of user reviews since most people won't bother leaving a review unless something is wrong with the unit. You can't really go wrong with Corsair or PC Power & Cooling.
January 30, 2009 9:22:32 PM

For the life of me I cannot tell the difference between those two 750 watt supplies you recommended. I looked at the specs and they are identical from what I can see. They both claim to be quiet as well. I would select the red one for $10 less if there is no difference. It would cost less than the 650 watt corsair supply with 100 watts more headroom. Seems like a no brainer to me.

This is really the last piece of the puzzle the power supply. I may never need 750 watts but some day down the road I may be able to use it for the next generation system.
January 30, 2009 10:28:05 PM

I believe the color is the only difference between the red and black PSU's.
January 30, 2009 10:51:50 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
I believe the color is the only difference between the red and black PSU's.



The color and $10.....:) .....thanks for all your help...I think I am ready to pull the trigger now.
January 30, 2009 11:01:20 PM

That rig is the gaming sweet spot IMO .

The RAM you have picked isnt brilliant . but is ok
January 30, 2009 11:28:45 PM

Outlander_04 said:
That rig is the gaming sweet spot IMO .

The RAM you have picked isnt brilliant . but is ok



And a better choice of ram would be?
January 30, 2009 11:32:03 PM

I appreciate shortstuff_mt's comments but would be nice to have a few other opinions fellas......How about it?
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