775 NOT a dead socket?

It's safe to say that there will be no new architecture for 775. Penryn is as good as it gets. In that regard, any CPU launched in the future for 775 will just either be slightly faster dual or quad, or a slower, cheaper dual/quad for volume buyers. All the real R&D is gone from 775.

i wouldn't say its dead either. but i agree with the posters above, mostly likely there is no new R&D for 775. imo, the only thing that might possibly happen is the introduction of lower power consumption quads for the higher models or lowering of prices. ie. Q9650, other than that, i don't really see any new great chips to come out for 775.

LGA 775 will live on for a while and as the higher end quads for this socket have dropped radically in price it is a great proposition for a solid gaming machine or small server or rendering box.

Though the i7 certainly will best either the socket 775 or Phenom II on many fronts you can't discount the cost advantage of the former two.

I wouldn't buy a new high end 775 mobo ... as your would be better off with an i7 ... the cost advantage being lost.

If you have a 775 then consider upgrading the cpu to a newer and faster 45nm quad ... the exercise is simple and the results impressive (note: do check your bios and power regulators will handle the faster cpu first).

If your looking for some great value then a mid range DDR2 LGA775 mobo and a 45nm quad is still a decent buying proposition ... as is a Phenom II combo.

Not everyone has tons of money to spend on i7 ... and these make solid mid range PC's.

I've read that the i7 920 beats all Core2Quads, but this doesn't translate into improvements in real world performance.

Do I even need an i7 quad? I don't do heavy processing work, but I do like to play high end games while running adware scans in the background.

Should I just go with a 9450 or 9550 and skip the i7? I want my PC to be good for at least 3 more years.

Basically, if I go with a good Core2Quad, will my PC be able to handle the latest games and SLi/Xfire without CPU bottleneck...compared to if I go with an I7?

The QPI on the I7 is about twice as fast as the 1600fsb on the C2Ds and C2Q's. Going to an I7 is an EXPENSIVE route if you don't need all the extra power. If i were you i would just go with a C2Q till the I5's come out.

One of the main reasons why the I7 is so fast is because of hyperthreading.

Well I wouldn't expect any new LGA 775 chips. Intel saying it will support it just means that they will keep taking orders for at least some of those CPUs till 2011, but that's mainly for businesses that are worried about replacement parts. At best, as yields improve they will bin some chips for lower power and others for perhaps slightly higher speed, but that's about it.

scotteq ... I just have this thing for Canadian women since seeing Dorothy Stratten way back in 1980 ... sigh.

Prettiest woman on the planet then ... possibly ever.

/attempts to photoshop AMD logo on Dorothy's t-shirt ...

By 2011, the I7 will be considered obsolete too. lol

I've heard intel is planning to release 6 core CPUs in 2010, make the current i7 outdated, and will release 8,12 or 16 core CPUs with HT (another 16 virtual cores = 32 cores) after that.



btw, anyone know about i5 mobo prices?

Noooooo...

I thought you liked meeeee...

/joking

I just found a person who was willing to buy my computer at 75% of the original build price. I'm taking the offer, and keeping the money...waiting for perhaps an i5 build when it comes out.

I wonder what would be superior for gaming, i5s or i7s...

^ Holly ballz...

A non-male on the interweb...and on Tomshardware at that! Am I dreaming?

Oh the irony...

I would imagine typing a message and clicking submit alot of times.

i5 vs i7

Anyone know what the 6-core Intel processors will use?

Any advantages of 1160 over 1366?

By the time 1156/1160 is released, the 1366 mobos and cpus will probably be cheap enough to rival it in price.

So is it better to just get a 1366 even though it's a server socket?

I agree ... not point in putting extra cores on a budget socket which would be bandwidth limited unless clocked quite high.

That would mean the mobo manufacturer would have to ensure a 1600 FSB ... more design work for a budget board ... I think not.

1366 users might get a sweet surprise then.

Still ... it would only be of much use to someone with a single socket server box.

I'd imagine it would chuck out a heap of heat and be hard to overclock ... for the greedy.

Nothing here for a gamer unless the game programmers pull their fingers out and design more stuff optimised for more cores ... unlikely as they really produce for the masses.

The "masses" are probably now defined as having dual core machines.

Improving cache and the amount of it will make a bigger difference.

Adding a heap of cache is not possible using 45nm real estate with 6 cores.

Going to 32nm or 28nm would be possible and essentially an AMD K10.5 would need at least 512kB per core L2 plus a larger L3.

Given Deneb has a 6Mb L3 I'd imagine it would need at least 8 or 10 but 12 would be better.

Although they have been using 512kb per core L2 I am sure a 1Mb L2 must surely help since that cache is much faster ... probably harder to produce too.

Intel seems to make much faster cache at L1 and their shared L2.

Scott Wasser did a great article on cache access on K10 a while back ... I will look for it.

The 775's given their FSB are still a great cpu as the cache on the 45nm quads is pretty big (12Mb) and very fast.

whew ... got back ontopic.

I might have babbled a bit.

sorry.

^ Topic-pirates, get off me ships matey!!!