Inquirer: Intel vs AMD multicore battle looms

As of late AMD find it self between a rock and a hard place,
and it don't seem to be getting any better for them in the
future either.

Actually these are server CPUs, except for the 32nm Westmere which has been confirmed as dropping into a 1366 socket with a BIOS update.

I'd agree that right now, 6 cores is overkill for desktop - software has a lo-o-o-ong way to go to catch up to hardware.

AMD just needs to wait out the economy and then bet the bank with Bulldozer, where they need to catch up or surpass Intel in IPC. Intel will be competing with SandyBridge by then so that's what AMD needs to aim at, not Nehalem.

No way, the Ghz race is giving way to a multi-core race?!?!?

Holy ballz...the i7 and i5 will be obsolete faster than graphics cards...

The GHz race really ended when Intel moved from the netburst P4 EE's to the C2 CPU's.

Next will be cache!

Counter 11 core rush attack with level 17 cache!

/Facepalm

Thats about the same time they started using dual instead of single core isnt it..

Its called sarcasm. This isnt news, its been happening for like 3+ years.

BS, OC the quad to 4Ghz and they perform the same. Im tired of this school of thought that says quads are magicly 'slower'. Clock-for-clock there the same damn chip.

Wait, AMD's making a double cheeseburger? I thought monolithic was the best...

ROFL! Where's Thunderpants now that we need to poke fun at him?

I'd guess Intel will be announcing triple cripples for sale next

1, 2 - I think we all realized that - we're just having some fun fanning the fanbois flames.
3 - Dunno about that - Intel was already eating AMD's lunch in 2P, and Nehalem will only speed that up. Yes the economy is bad and IT admins cautious, but if a 2P Xeon can replace a 4P Opteron system with equal performance, I'd think the choice would be obvious when upgrading. Why do you think AMD is rushing the 6-core Istanbul's out next month?
4 - Intel will also use drop-in upgrades for the 32nm Westmere 6-core CPUs, both for DT and 2P:

5 - As shown in the Anandtech article on Nehalem EP:

6 - FSB bottlenecking basically showed up in 4P and higher. Besides, Nehalem and Westmere use QPI.
7 - Agreed, but mainly due to their being expensive.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared [...] _month.stm

Fazers, how do you feel about AMD's stock price hitting it's highest level in months?

What are you saying, stocks can't go down?

LOL - what Randomizer said .

I believe much of AMD's stock is held by institutional investors and I think they are speculating that with the UAE deal cash infusion, plus AMD spinning off part of the ATI purchase debt to GF, AMD may be well-positioned when the economy rebounds. In other words, it is only loosely correlated with the current strength of their product offerings, and probably reacts more to AMD press releases and design wins and roadmaps. But then I am no expert at analyzing the stock market - if I were, I'd be filthy rich and jetting around partying instead of posting here on Tom's .

Intel's stock has been rising pretty well lately too. Probably the investors want to get in near the perceived bottom so that they can ride the elevator as high as it'll go.

Ordinary investors who may have bailed out of the stock market after suffering huge losses may be jumping back in as well - there's an interesting article on MSN Money about how those investors are regretting getting out - buying high and selling low - and are determined to recoup their losses to the point of exercising poor judgment. OTOH, as the article goes on to state - bull markets usually start when things stink the worse:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.c [...] grets.aspx

Well it's clear you are no expert at analyzing the stock market fazers, you've been banging the same drum over AMD's demise for the past year lol.

Because of the Global Foundry. That is until something else hits the fan like thier earnings report, or should I say loss?

I still think it will be near the end of this year before AMD makes it back in black again.

Hey never doubt the words of AMD. Just because they are using a similar approach to get a 12 core CPU doesn't mean Intel was right!!!!!!!!!!!

j/k

Really? Show me one post where I pulled a Sharikou and predicted AMD will "BK by Q2 2009" or something similar. Yes, I have pointed out AMD's financial weaknesses, but I have also stated that with the UAE bailout, AMD will have the $$ to compete at least until the end of this year. However, the foundry biz was the last piece AMD had to sell, unless they get rid of ATI, so that's pretty much it for cash infusions.

If you are equating today's stock price with a company's overall prognosis for survival, then I'd say you are fairly naive. As I said before, stock prices are only partly based on a company's current bottom line - a lot of it is speculation as to where they company may be in the near future, and a lot of it is just gambling that the price will rise or fall.

LOL, yeah, I live!

I have good news. My wife and I (married for three years) decided we want to have kids. So we started trying... Let's just say unlike AMD, I don't shoot blanks. First try, no joke. So now my wife is pregnant for the first time! My wife calls me "One shot Scott".

Pregancy is awesome. Can't really say why here, but I think many of the older gents out there may know what I'm talking about.

If all goes well baby will be due in late December! WooHoo!

I shall name him\her "TechnologyCoordinator 2.0".

It most certainly do prove intel was right, AMD can't talk about how bad
of an ideal it is to stack or glue two chip together, then do the same thing now it's alright. Where I come from my friend that's talking out of both
sides of your face.

You should make sure his/her first word is "Chip" on teh forumz.

(or triple cripple!)

By the time TC Jnr is 13 kids will have implants in the skull plugging them straight into the matrix.

I'll be down in the drains in a submarine eating dog food I guess.

Jeez ... not much to look forward to.

Still ... at least I won't be getting used as an energizer battery.

Yeah, congrats TC! As for the name, TC2.0, at least you didn't go for Dweezle or Moon Unit, like Frank Zappa .

Congats, good news indeed TC!

I suggest you name the first "Core 1", the next "Core 2", etc...

This way when they're older and there's chores to be done - you can distibute the tasks evenly among all your cores.

Just avoid a triple cripple.