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February 3, 2009 12:12:10 AM

Ok

Im trying to decide whether or not to go with a q6600 based build or a PII X4 940 build im pretty torn between the two :??: 
I would go for an i7 build, but thats a little out of my price range right now :( 

Basically though, my budget is around $1000 (excluding all postage fees and monitor, so just the computer itself)

- Q660/PII X4 940
- Compatible motherboard (Non-SLI/XFire)
- 4GB RAM (with good OC potential)
- 640GB+ HDD
- 64-Bit Vista Home Premium
- Case with good cooling
- CPU fan (for OC'ing)
- HD 4870/ GTX 260 (i dont plan to SLI/XFire at all)
- PSU that will handle all of that

I would be grateful for all suggestions thrown my way

Also, I would like a good 22" monitor (ive heard Acer are good for those, so i may just get one of those, but if people can find better im all ears)

Thanks,
Random :na: 
February 3, 2009 1:22:44 AM

The PII is better but the Q6600 is pretty good too. My own Q6600 is still doing just fine :)  Either way you'll be fine.

Get a WD6401AALS disk, or a WD6400AAKS if you can't find the WD6401AALS.

HD 4870 1GB and GTX 260 Core 216 trade blows in benchmarks. You have to be careful which reviews you read, because some will make the HD 4870 look like a complete winner and others will make you believe the GXT 260 is much better. In general, GTX 260 will do great in Crysis while HD 4870 does great in racing games or CoD.
If you care about Physx/Havok, the HD 4870 supports Havok (Diablo 3, etc.) and the GTX 260 supports Physx (Mass Effect, etc.)

If you get the Q6600, I'd recommend GA-EP45-UD3R.

For the Phenom II, get this combo:
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit=ADD&ItemList=Combo.155232
GA-MA790GP-DS4H AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI + Phenom II 940 $329

PSU: Corsair 550VX or 650TX, PC Power & Cooling 610W.

RAM: (for either setup)
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209

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February 3, 2009 11:09:07 PM

I just realised that as im not going to be playing at that high of a resolution, its best to go for maybe a HD4850 or 8800GT/GTS/GTX.....please recommend the best (manufacturer included; HIS, Sapphire, BFG, XFX etc)

Thanks,
Random
February 3, 2009 11:25:42 PM

Random0808 said:
I just realised that as im not going to be playing at that high of a resolution, its best to go for maybe a HD4850 or 8800GT/GTS/GTX.....please recommend the best (manufacturer included; HIS, Sapphire, BFG, XFX etc)

Thanks,
Random


Visiontek and XFX have a lifetime warranty.
February 3, 2009 11:30:18 PM

for the cpu cooler go with the xigmatic s183 with the retention bracket. the western digital black 640 is a great hdd. and i would also suggest the antec 1200 case. Great cooling, great amount of space to work with and an overall fantastic design
February 3, 2009 11:43:39 PM

or 8800 Ultra (but that might be a step too far)
February 3, 2009 11:46:30 PM

hofstra66 said:
i would also suggest the antec 1200 case. Great cooling, great amount of space to work with and an overall fantastic design



LOL dude....i wish i could have a 1200, but ummm, did u read what my budget is? if you can make me the build i want with a 1200 case then you're a legend lol
February 4, 2009 2:09:16 AM

Antec NSK6580B Mid Tower Case w/EA430 PSU $100

GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R combo with
Intel Core i7 920 $480

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 $76
WD Caviar SE16 640GB $75
MSI HD4850 512MB OC $125
MS Vista 64 HP $100
Xigmatech HDT-S1283 $37
Xigmatech 1366 Bracket $10

Total: $1003
February 4, 2009 5:10:18 AM

theAnimal said:
Antec NSK6580B Mid Tower Case w/EA430 PSU $100

GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R combo with
Intel Core i7 920 $480

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 $76
WD Caviar SE16 640GB $75
MSI HD4850 512MB OC $125
MS Vista 64 HP $100
Xigmatech HDT-S1283 $37
Xigmatech 1366 Bracket $10

Total: $1003

Sorry to shoot you down theAnimal, but...

I feel you are cutting too many corners on that mobo. Asus P6t and i7 can be bought in a bundle right now at newegg for $500 and is a much better buy, but even with that cheapest of motherboards, you are over $1000.

4GB doesn't give you triple channel, and you need to make sure that memory is below 1.65V, many dual channel memory kits aren't.

That video card is alright, but already can't keep up with many games that are out on anything larger than 1280x1024 resolution. A 22" monitor will have 1600x900 at least.

That PSU seriously limits your upgrade path as far as video cards go, you wouldn't be able to add another one on, and video cards are getting more and more power hungry, so likely the next card he would want to get when he was upgrading would very likely be too much for that PSU.

Also missing a dvd drive.

I've said it before, and I will again. An i7 on $1000 budget isn't a good idea because you have to sacrifice too much to make it work. At $1000, PII 940 is the best option IMO.
February 4, 2009 3:33:14 PM

xthekidx said:
Sorry to shoot you down theAnimal, but...

I feel you are cutting too many corners on that mobo. Asus P6t and i7 can be bought in a bundle right now at newegg for $500 and is a much better buy, but even with that cheapest of motherboards, you are over $1000.

4GB doesn't give you triple channel, and you need to make sure that memory is below 1.65V, many dual channel memory kits aren't.

That video card is alright, but already can't keep up with many games that are out on anything larger than 1280x1024 resolution. A 22" monitor will have 1600x900 at least.

That PSU seriously limits your upgrade path as far as video cards go, you wouldn't be able to add another one on, and video cards are getting more and more power hungry, so likely the next card he would want to get when he was upgrading would very likely be too much for that PSU.

Also missing a dvd drive.

I've said it before, and I will again. An i7 on $1000 budget isn't a good idea because you have to sacrifice too much to make it work. At $1000, PII 940 is the best option IMO.


Yeah, I realized that I forgot the DVD, so add $25. And $20 for the P6T, so the total is about $1050.

The RAM is 1.5V, and tri-channel makes very little difference versus dual channel.

The video card is fine for 22", and is one the OP was already looking at.

The PSU is plenty for any card with one PCI-e connector. When the OP can afford a higher power card, he can also upgrade the PSU.

I just wanted to see how close I could get. :) 
February 4, 2009 6:37:59 PM

jalpaugh1978 said:
the Acer 22" is 1680X1050 max. I would look at this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168.... For $170 after MIR that should keep you gaming for a while. For A PSU here's a good one that should handle you gpu and OC'ed CPU and provide plenty of room for upgrade... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspxItem=N82E1681...
Corsair 650TX... Right now you can get it comboed with a Q6600 and save an extra $15 on the combo



The first link takes me to "related items" i have no idea what card you're talking about.....the other link does not exist apparently

Random :na: 
February 4, 2009 11:04:22 PM

theAnimal said:
Yeah, I realized that I forgot the DVD, so add $25. And $20 for the P6T, so the total is about $1050.

The RAM is 1.5V, and tri-channel makes very little difference versus dual channel.

The video card is fine for 22", and is one the OP was already looking at.

The PSU is plenty for any card with one PCI-e connector. When the OP can afford a higher power card, he can also upgrade the PSU.

I just wanted to see how close I could get. :) 



The Op was looking at a 4870 or gtx 260+, you found a 4850, a step below both of those cards. Either one of those cards would add $80-100 at least to the $1050 total.

The PII route versus the i7 route at $1050 is much better, you won't have to skimp on the other components nearly as much. The PII build will be much stronger at that price point.
February 4, 2009 11:12:15 PM

xthekidx said:
The Op was looking at a 4870 or gtx 260+, you found a 4850, a step below both of those cards. Either one of those cards would add $80-100 at least to the $1050 total.

The PII route versus the i7 route at $1050 is much better, you won't have to skimp on the other components nearly as much. The PII build will be much stronger at that price point.


From the OP (edit: original poster):
I just realised that as im not going to be playing at that high of a resolution, its best to go for maybe a HD4850 or 8800GT/GTS/GTX.....please recommend the best (manufacturer included; HIS, Sapphire, BFG, XFX etc)

Thanks,
Random said:
I just realised that as im not going to be playing at that high of a resolution, its best to go for maybe a HD4850 or 8800GT/GTS/GTX.....please recommend the best (manufacturer included; HIS, Sapphire, BFG, XFX etc)

Thanks,
Random
February 4, 2009 11:17:54 PM

HD4850 beats an 8800? :o  lol...well, you guys know more than me (i hope lol), i'll trust your judgement
February 4, 2009 11:21:17 PM

well...
I have a gtx 260 core 216 in my rig with an i7 OC to 3.5, and when playing some games, such as Far Cry, I have some stutter at times. It's not bad, but it could run smoother. Granted I do have everything on high with max AA, but I play at 1440x900 resolution. So I think he would want something better than 4850/9800GTX/8800 Ultra.
February 4, 2009 11:24:32 PM

Random0808 said:
HD4850 beats an 8800? :o  lol...well, you guys know more than me (i hope lol), i'll trust your judgement

Lol. You are a bit out of the loop random. 8800 (now the 9800) is a low end gaming card right now. The Cards to get are the Nvidia GTX series or HD 48xx series.
February 4, 2009 11:25:26 PM

xthekidx said:
well...
I have a gtx 260 core 216 in my rig with an i7 OC to 3.5, and when playing some games, such as Far Cry, I have some stutter at times. It's not bad, but it could run smoother. Granted I do have everything on high with max AA, but I play at 1440x900 resolution. So I think he would want something better than 4850/9800GTX/8800 Ultra.


yeah i would want something better, but its my budget though, its holding me back.....if i could i would get a gtx280, but thats not realistic, so i thought at first a hd4870/gtx260 would be ok...anyway, we'll see
February 4, 2009 11:42:24 PM

Which is why you shouldn't go with anything less than a 4870 I think.
February 5, 2009 12:10:06 AM
February 5, 2009 1:07:50 AM
February 5, 2009 1:15:51 AM

What do you think, stick with the 1gb Sapphire, or go with the 512mb OC'ed (even though just slightly) ASUS? looking at some benchmarks though, the 1gb is still outperforming this card, so i guess its best to just stick with that right?
February 5, 2009 1:25:28 AM

I like the Toxic 1GB. The its cooling solution shoots the hot air out the back of your PC rather than dissipating it into your case like the Matrix card. The matrix card also puts some of the air out the back of your case, but the enclosure of the GPU isn't as good, so more of it escapes than the Toxic. The Heatsink is also better on the Toxic, moving the heat away from the GPU faster. It also has twice the memory, and it is OC'd as well, 10mhz faster than the asus Matrix card. And two fans vs one fan=noisier, don't know how you feel about that. Plus saphire is a better brand than asus when it comes to video cards.
February 5, 2009 1:47:00 AM

Ok...well thanks for the advice xthekidx :) 
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