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February 7, 2009 7:37:02 PM

After a long absence from building a gaming rig this is what I came up with

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified

ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe

AMD Phenom II X4 940 Deneb 3.0GHz

2 SAPPHIRE 100225L Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 in crossfire

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB DDR2 1066 (2 x 2GB)

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB

LITE-ON dvd/cd burner

LITE-ON dvd/cd reader

BYTECC 1.44MB Internal Floppy Drive

Acer 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor

Win XPpro 64bit

February 7, 2009 7:40:15 PM

The 940 is a very decent cpu for gaming .

but why those 3870's ? They werent good in their generation and today they are slow . 4850's , or 4830's on a budget
February 7, 2009 7:47:28 PM

I-7 Rocks!!!...oops...wrong Thread...hehe...

Sry. I love the new i-7. Way better then the amd and around the same price. Demands ddr3 but I don't care. I love the speed.

I HAVE THE NEED FOR SPEED!!!!

Yeah man those 3870's bite the dust man. Those are crap. go w/ a 4800 series man. Are you on a low budget or what? How long you been out of the game for? Or are you novice?
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February 7, 2009 7:49:02 PM

+1

Just get 1 4870 for now, it will be as good as those two 3870's xfire'd. Then get another one in a year when you need more graphics power.
February 7, 2009 7:49:34 PM

I run Autocad also and at work we were having a prob with 4000 series cards we used the 3870's and thought i would avoid any probs in that area. Maybe cause they had intell chipset and shoulda been using Geforce cards. Which I like better anyway but, trying out the crossfire this round and there single slot and can add 2 more. I may upgrade to duel 4870 x2's in future and have 2 decent pcix2 cards in my parts bin : ) for other machine upgrades. I hung onto AGP for way too long cheap bastage that I am
February 7, 2009 8:00:26 PM

If this is a gaming rig then go for the 4800 series...What the hell is that floppy doing on there? Come on man, get out of the nineties. This Is 2009! Welcome to the New World. Hey, ditch those Lite Ons. Get Lg or something else. Same price. Plus if you can upgrade to 2 4870x2s in the future then just go 4870 now that way you arent putting 2 cards that bite in ur bin to gather dust. Trust me...they will gather dust. Don't listen to those Ppl that had probs w/ 4870 or whatever. Has better drivers now and is compatible w/ alot more. You will thank us. trust me.
February 7, 2009 8:02:25 PM

darkside_gamer7 said:
I-7 Rocks!!!...oops...wrong Thread...hehe...

Sry. I love the new i-7. Way better then the amd and around the same price. Demands ddr3 but I don't care. I love the speed.

I HAVE THE NEED FOR SPEED!!!!

Yeah man those 3870's bite the dust man. Those are crap. go w/ a 4800 series man. Are you on a low budget or what? How long you been out of the game for? Or are you novice?



i7 just isnt way better for gaming . A lot of the time it's not as good as the P ll
February 7, 2009 8:05:41 PM

Pls back up your response w/ facts. How is that?
February 7, 2009 8:17:25 PM

darkside_gamer7 said:
Pls back up your response w/ facts. How is that?



http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3506&p=1

at the OP's 1680 x 1050 with a single 4870 the Ci7 has a tiny margin over the Pll . Nothing worth paying extra for .

You should also lose the angsty 14 year old attitude ... it makes you sound like an angsty 14 year old
February 7, 2009 8:25:58 PM

Never had a Lite On that failed. I still like having a floppy for the simplicity and bios updates many other things. I still have a pet peeve about wasting a 700mb cd for a 2mb script/macro or firmware updates. The floppy is ancient but it is not broke just yet. I guess I could use something else but we all have our comfort zones
February 7, 2009 8:27:51 PM

Hey brother. This is a public forum for public opinion and advice. I'm not an angsty 14 year old w/ 14 year old ideas. Plus if you look at all the tests the I-7 performs 10 fps better on alot of them. Also if you want to start a fire fight then pls don't put yourself above me. It makes you look ignorant and it makes you look less then what you can be. Don't be a snob mate. And you can't give me one ltl test that's part of a group of tests and say "oh looky here that one is better" when the majority points to the i-7. You can also give me more then one benchmark test can't you? Look brother. I'm not going to fire fight w/ you on here. Maybe I'll just bow to your will and never give my opinion again mate. Oh, wait. Forgot this was a public forum. Also, was just wanting facts w/ ur opinion since you decided to speak up and try to help.
February 7, 2009 8:35:00 PM

darkside_gamer7 said:
Hey brother. This is a public forum for public opinion and advice. I'm not an angsty 14 year old w/ 14 year old ideas. Plus if you look at all the tests the I-7 performs 10 fps better on alot of them. Also if you want to start a fire fight then pls don't put yourself above me. It makes you look ignorant and it makes you look less then what you can be. Don't be a snob mate. And you can't give me one ltl test that's part of a group of tests and say "oh looky here that one is better" when the majority points to the i-7. You can also give me more then one benchmark test can't you? Look brother. I'm not going to fire fight w/ you on here. Maybe I'll just bow to your will and never give my opinion again mate. Oh, wait. Forgot this was a public forum. Also, was just wanting facts w/ ur opinion since you decided to speak up and try to help.


you are definitely not my brother . Evolution will take a while to get you to that level genetically

Those benches at anandtech actually show the Pll beating the ci7 in most games with a 4870 at 1920 x 1200 .
so what looks ignorant is ignoring reality and trying to say you are better because you have the amazing Ci7 . Pity its not amazing and that your sense of self worth is based on a computer processor . Couldnt you afford a decent car?

I agree with MechAG1 about the floppy drive . very very handy sometimes .
February 7, 2009 8:50:26 PM

Its a slang term friend. Jesus. Just wanted you to back up your opinion with facts so it wld help the man out. Instead you start out insulting and I never once said I was better then anyone just because I enjoy the i-7 friend. Plus i commented on the floppy because know matter what you are storing you can easily just throw it on a cd and its faster. Storage space is a plus 2. Why are you using an immature comment to fight me like "Couldnt you afford a decent car?" I never directly insulted you. I've chatted w/ dozens like you and the more they talk, the less intelligent they sound. Just check yourself friend and you will see that you are the angst teen and not me Brother...Sry...Friend.
February 7, 2009 9:06:00 PM

darkside_gamer7, yes the i7 is nice and a great processor and would probably do better than PII for CAD but is very off topic for this thread, the Op is looking to build PII, as the thread topic states. PII is much cheaper than the i7, so it is a smart decision for people on a budget. And you do sound very Fanboyish of the intel i7, which is not becoming for anyone.

Outlander_04, you could just ignore those comments, you don't have to defend PII so adamantly as you do in many threads. If people want to buy the more expensive processor, then let them. Just put PII out as an option and let them decide if its a good decision for them or not. If people want to insist being ignorant, then there is no need to argue with them because they have already chosen not to listen to reason. (I'm not saying anyone here is being ignorant, but just in general).

Anyways...The op was looking for advice on his PII build.

Autocad plays nicely nvidia cards so if you thought you might just get one video card and not go with a multi GPU setup in the future, you could get a GTX 260+ or 280. Then you could also drop that PSU down to a 650tx or even a 550vx if you didn't get the GTX 280. Single GPU setups are almost always better because you do not need to worry about driver and scaling issues, which are common.
February 7, 2009 9:07:05 PM

Agree with the kid. Apologize for the fight on your thread mate.
February 8, 2009 6:03:11 AM

second that i7 being quicker then any AMD product but at what cost? and it doesnt take half a brain to figure that a gpu limited game wont benifit from it, but who games 100% of the time?

For the $$$ and for the people without unlimited budgets or deep pockets the P2 is fine, as is the Core 2 Quads, and thank god your picking quads rather then obsolite dual cores :D 
February 8, 2009 9:37:14 AM

lol @ internet fight
February 8, 2009 1:18:56 PM

drop the 3870's for sure, but i like the rest of it, i fancy a p2 940 myself, but im becoming less a geek and cant justify buying it since my q6600 works fine.
February 8, 2009 2:15:09 PM

Outlander_04 said:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3506&p=1

at the OP's 1680 x 1050 with a single 4870 the Ci7 has a tiny margin over the Pll . Nothing worth paying extra for .

You should also lose the angsty 14 year old attitude ... it makes you sound like an angsty 14 year old


Funny how "a tiny margin over" became "not as good" when it went through an AMD fanboy filter.
February 8, 2009 2:52:05 PM

It doesnt matter people. I apologized above and agreed w/ the kid. That FF was stupid. I agree that p2 can hold it's own. It's not better but yes it is quite good for what it can do and I can't wait for AMD's next cpu so I can see if it using ddr3 and L3 cache can actually give i-7 a beating. I enoy i-7 more right now cause I have the money right now. I chose i-7 also cause of ddr3 and the boards it goes on are awesome. I will admit that yes you can build a good build w/ p2. I will also admit that I was going to build w/ a Core 2 Quad and an asus striker 2 ultra before i-7 debut. Again I apologize to MechAG1.
February 8, 2009 5:38:04 PM

Thx for all the advice and no apologies to me necessary. I've have been on the internet long enough to see little things go bad over opinions/comments. I chose this setup for crossfire. Yes I do know a 4870x2 is faster. I also wanted single slot cards so I could play with a 4 gpu setup. As of right know I don't think there is a board out there that can accommodate 4 duel slot cards. I have always had great success in the oc department and with the p2/mobo I have, it should be an easy task. I will eventually upgrade my gpu's but as of right now I don't need to. I play COD4, LFD, 2142, and my all time favorite MW4mercs. I have Crysis but waiting for the MWLL mod to come out. AutoCad runs flawless. Again thanks for all that posted
February 8, 2009 9:25:36 PM

Don't forget the one critical problem your gonna find, the M3A79T-Deluxe will not post with a 940 untill you have updated the BIOS to ver 0602 or now the new 0703. You will need any AM2 processor to get the system to post in order to flash your BIOS. If you want an Asus board that will use the 940 right out of the box your gonna want the new M4A79 Deluxe which is almost identical to the M3A79T-Deluxe. Or even wait for the M4A79T-Deluxe but this board is strickly AM3 with DDR3 support but you will also need a 945 processor. AM3 boards are not backward compatible with AM2+ CPU's.
February 8, 2009 9:57:48 PM

apache_lives said:
second that i7 being quicker then any AMD product but at what cost? and it doesnt take half a brain to figure that a gpu limited game wont benifit from it, but who games 100% of the time?

For the $$$ and for the people without unlimited budgets or deep pockets the P2 is fine, as is the Core 2 Quads, and thank god your picking quads rather then obsolite dual cores :D 




Dual cores "obsolete" you must be joking. Check out the link and read their conclusions.


http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=16
February 8, 2009 9:58:46 PM

stoner133 said:
Don't forget the one critical problem your gonna find, the M3A79T-Deluxe will not post with a 940 untill you have updated the BIOS to ver 0602 or now the new 0703. You will need any AM2 processor to get the system to post in order to flash your BIOS. If you want an Asus board that will use the 940 right out of the box your gonna want the new M4A79 Deluxe which is almost identical to the M3A79T-Deluxe. Or even wait for the M4A79T-Deluxe but this board is strickly AM3 with DDR3 support but you will also need a 945 processor. AM3 boards are not backward compatible with AM2+ CPU's.


I was worried about bios version but this board came with the 0602 bios installed already. My p2 940 booted right up and everything seems fine not so sure I need 0703 just yet, but I dl'd it and have it saved
February 9, 2009 2:37:33 AM

Geesh, buy the parts locally, or do you just live down the street from newegg? lol One day, and you've already got it built? I envy you. :p 
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