jennyh :
intel used the oldest trick in the book and gave the OEM's no real choice. Either they accepted intel's terms or they themselves risked going out of business if their competitors did and they didn't.
If HP took up intels bribe and Dell didn't, Dell stood to lose out a lot more. In the end, they all took the only option they could and that was to take intel's bribe money. Something like 38 companies agreed to intel's demands - that is why AMD lost billions in the space of 2-3 years, not because of lack of chips or anything like that.
The only problem is, the EU can't fine intel enough to rectify the size of the crime. They will hit them hard, but the damage is already done so it's not like intel really care.
Actually the reason why AMD lost so much money the past 10 quarters is because they haven't had a lead in the CPU market, bought ATI for way to much money and have been taking hits from that purchase. 4.8Billion when ATi was worth a small amount of that.
And don't get me wrong. I love ATI, always have and always will but they were not anywhere near that amount in net worth. But the owners who sold ATI are fat and happy now while AMD hurts from the purchase.
I remember reading an article a while back how when AMD was on top with K8 they decided to say "Screw You" to the OEMs and goo for the big bucks in the channels where they could set their own prices. Mainly because they could not manufacture enough CPUs for everything while Intel could. With OEMs you usually tend to have to lower the profit per chip because in the end the OEMs deal, they don't just buy. Thats why you can get a cheap end PC for less than you can build. Its only the gaming PCs that are cheaper to build since the companies try to make more off of them.
TBH, with Dell Intel and them signed a exclusivity deal for the Pentium 4 era which actually ended in 2004 or 2005, when Michael Dell returned to the lead. He was actually the one who decided on his own terms after that to not take up AMD YET. thats why it took Dell till recently to start offering AMD platforms. That and now that AMD has a actual platform, they can finally offer them for a good price instead of Dell having to go buy each thing seperately from each company thus costing them more money.
jennyh :
Oh please, the EU fine intel to get back at ireland and what was that, the Germans are in collaboration with NY state in order to bring about the 4th reich led by Hector Ruiz?
Seriously just look at what you're writing.
They don't need to fine intel to 'get back at ireland', that's just ludicrous. There are a lot of monopolies out there who aren't being fined by the EU - a lot more than are being fined. The one's who are being fined are being fined for good reason.
Actually Hector himself was a horrible CEO. Its just sad that he is the head of the board now and still holds a lot more power than he should have really.
And the thing is that you would take AMDs word for it but something that makes sense such as fining intel to get back at Ireland doesn't? The EU is not all that great and is out for money. Thats why they fined Microsoft and forced Microsoft to release a blank OS yet have not gone after Apple yet. Mainly because Apples profits in relation to Microsofts is like comparing a mom and pop store to Wal-Mart. Just not enough to go after.
I am willing to bet though that the EU will go after Google next. Its been reported that they are looking into it. But you can't truly blame Google for having the best search engine, can you? Or will there be some twisted justification to it? And will the EU demans a blank and useless search engine so that people can choose more freely since they are obviously stuck only using Google.
See my point? People have never been restricted to using anything that comes with Windows. In fact Vista itself makes it even easier to set affinities to programs you want. The included is for those who don't know any better.
yomamafor1 :
Nope, you're incorrect.
Sure, the OEMs can stand to lose more if they refuse Intel's offer to not acquire any AMD chip, but since AMD processors were in high demand of that time, so if AMD can supply OEMs and channels with enough chips, OEMs could actually stood to gain, since it will inevitably force Intel back to the bargaining table.
The main reason AMD was not able to acquire more market share at the time because of their own fabrication limitations. They only had two fabs churning out chips at the time, and simply could not meet the demand. Originally they planned for an expansion of the fabrication plant (Fab. in NY) back in 2005~2006, yet Hector chose to purchase ATI instead of continuing to pursue the expansion of manufacturing capacity.
2006, was the same year AMD lost their lead in the processor race, and had to hand the crown back to Intel. As a result, while Intel was to blame for their petty actions again AMD, it was AMD themselves who couldn't expand on their successes.
This is mostly correct, but didn't Core 2 Duo come out in 2005? And then the Core 2 Quad Q6600, first quad, came out in 2006 with the G0 Stepping in mid 07? Cuz I bought mine at the end of 07 when the B3 steppings were still around.
Overall I think if Intel did in some way break the laws, then great fine them. But we as normal people only have what someone says.
But if you take what E2D has said and actually think about it there is more to it than AMDs claims that Intel forced OEMs to do this and that. I mean the fact that they shrugged OEMs off and went for the more preffered channels in and of itself makes AMDs claims shakey.
And if AMD did at any point offer chips below cost or even lower that is illegal in the US and plenty of places. If so and they are showing some proff then they as well need to be prosecuted.
And I do agree that Germany needs to stay out of it. There is a conflict of interests. Its like if you are a judge with stock in the company being prosecuted. Conflct of interest. or the reason why you can't work at Wal-Mart and K-Mart at the same time. If you have any interests in any part of it you should have no say since its obvious that you will be persuaded without actually looking at the evidence in a fair way.
Then again since Germany is part of the EU, the EU itself has interests in it. Its kind of hard to take the EU seriously if part of them has intersts for one of the companies in the battle.
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