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February 9, 2009 3:38:12 AM

Hie there! Im new to this forum and have tried to ask this same qns in a few other forums but no one could help me out. Hence I thought of trying it here to ask for some help. I have decided on some of the hardwares alrd but feel free to give your opinion. My budget will be between 2k - 3k USD.

Processor: Intel Core i7 920
Motherboard: EVGA X58 SLI
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 285 FTW
Memory: Corsair TR3X6G-1600C8D 3x 2GB
Display: (Looking for a 24 inch LCD monitor)
Storage: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black + (Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB)
Casing: (Tentatively Lian Li PC-7FW/ Cooler Master 690/ Rosewill Conquerer)
Cooler: -
Drive: (Looking for Blu-ray drive)
PSU: -
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit OEM
Keyboard: Steel Series 7G keyboard
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Mouse
Speaker: -

As for the PSU, would it be better for me to get a smaller watts PSU now or just get a 1000-1500Watts PSU? Because in the future I may upgrade to 3-way GTX 285
February 9, 2009 3:57:49 AM

A few suggestions to fill in your blanks:

Monitor: Samsung T240

Case: Coolermaster 932 HAF (for 3 future GTX 285s)

Cooler: TRUE, Scythe Mugen 2, Xigmatek Thor's Hammer (when it comes out), Noctua NH-U12P SE1366

Optical: LG GGC-H20L Blu-ray reader

PSU: Get the big one now and make sure it has 6 PCIe connectors, PCP&C or Corsair.

Speakers: I would suggest 2 satellites with a big sub.
February 9, 2009 4:10:58 AM

Monitor: BenQ G2400WD
Speakers: Logitech Z-5500
Cooler: Xigmatech or Noctua
PSU: Corsair TX650 - upgrade the video card every year or so and sell your old one
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February 9, 2009 4:18:29 AM

hmm how much watts do I need? 1000 or 1500? Another qns is either one of these Thermalright Ultra 120/ MSI Watercool Hydrogen/ Thermalright IFX-14? which would be a better cooler?
February 9, 2009 11:28:20 AM

UPDATE
Processor: Intel Core i7 920
Motherboard: EVGA X58 SLI
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 285 FTW
Memory: Corsair TR3X6G-1600C8D 3x 2GB
Display: Samsung 2233SW Storage: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black + (Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB)
Casing: Tentatively Lian Li PC-7FW ($195)/ Cooler Master 690 ($125)/ Cool Master HAF 932 ($203)
Cooler: Thermalright True Black 120
Drive: -
PSU: Tentaively Corsair HX1000

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit OEM
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa Mirror
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Mouse
Speaker: -



1. Im not so sure which casing to choose? Can someone choose for me the right casing?

2. Im intending to get a good blu-ray drive. Can someone help me with it.

3. Im intending to get a 3-way SLI GTX 285 in the future so I need 1000W or 1500W PSU? Any PSU to recommend too?

4. Can someone recommend me good speaker system?



*Note those prices are in SGD
February 9, 2009 6:59:38 PM

Clavally said:
UPDATE
Processor: Intel Core i7 920
Motherboard: EVGA X58 SLI
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 285 FTW
Memory: Corsair TR3X6G-1600C8D 3x 2GB
Display: Samsung 2233SW Storage: Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black + (Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB)
Casing: Tentatively Lian Li PC-7FW ($195)/ Cooler Master 690 ($125)/ Cool Master HAF 932 ($203)
Cooler: Thermalright True Black 120
Drive: -
PSU: Tentaively Corsair HX1000

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit OEM
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa Mirror
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Mouse
Speaker: -



1. Im not so sure which casing to choose? Can someone choose for me the right casing?

2. Im intending to get a good blu-ray drive. Can someone help me with it.

3. Im intending to get a 3-way SLI GTX 285 in the future so I need 1000W or 1500W PSU? Any PSU to recommend too?

4. Can someone recommend me good speaker system?



*Note those prices are in SGD


1. Whichever one you like best, since you are the one that will have to look at it.

2. See Akebono's post above.

3. HX1000 is fine.

4. See my post above.
February 10, 2009 3:07:01 AM

1. Since you're in Singapore and want to run tri-SLI, then the only case to get, IMO, is the 932 HAF--ultra high heat and humidity year-round, both the enemy of a highly overclocked high-end PC (even with aircon).

2. I don't believe there is any compelling argument to get a Blu-ray *burner* at this point. For the cost involved, get another 1TB HDD for backup storage instead. That's why I've recommended the LG GGC-H20L, which is a BR *reader*, which lets you watch BR movies and burn to DVD and CD formats. If you feel that the DVD burning speed of that drive is not up to par, then you can always buy another DVD burner that would be slightly faster. These are very cheap (e.g. $25 USD in the USA).

3. The PC Power & Cooling 1200W PSU is the only power supply that I would personally use to drive 3 GTX 285s in tri-SLI on an overclocked i7 rig. You need a large quantity of power on the main 12V rail.

4. The Logitech Z-5500 recommended by theAnimal is great, but if you're tight on space and can't fit the extra satellites in your room, then check out the Logitech Z-2300 speakers--2 compact satellites with a nice big sub.


I'm sure that you know this already, but the eVGA mobo cannot fit a soundcard when running tri-SLI, so you will have to run on-board sound. This might matter to you for watching Blu-ray, if you're really picky.

The TRUE is a great cooler, but I would rather use the non-black version because the black plating reduces the cooling efficiency by just a tad. Remember, you're in Singapore, so every degree counts in overclocking--even 1. You also need the Thermalright LGA 1366 Bolt-Thru kit and MX-2 thermal paste. Consider lapping the heatsink base and CPU heatspreader for better cooling efficiency.

And with respect to cooling, 3 GTX 285s are squished in real tight, so the best way to cool them is with the very expensive versions of the card with built-in waterblocks. If you're going to water-cool, then you should do a whole lot more reading and research.

If cooling is an issue, have you considered an Asus P6T Deluxe V2 with 2 GTX 295s (with backplates)? The mobo design puts a space between the video cards, which would help for cooling. 2 GTX 295s are also pretty close in price to 3 GTX 285s.
February 10, 2009 3:19:42 AM

Processor: Intel Core i7 920
Motherboard: EVGA X58 SLI
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 285 FTW
Memory: Corsair TR3X6G-1600C8D 3x 2GB
Display: Samsung 2233SW
Storage: Western Digital 640GB Caviar Black + (Western Digital VelociRaptor 300GB)
Casing: Rosewill Conqueror WSL ($105)/ Cool Master HAF 932
Cooler: Thermalright True Black 120
Drive: LG Blu-Ray DVD RW GGW-H20L
PSU: Corsair HX1000
OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit OEM
Keyboard: Razer Lycosa Mirror
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Mouse
Speaker: Logitech Z5500 5.1 Speakers

Additional: Razer eXactMat

This is my own build tat I chose. I was recommended not to overclock cause I dont know how to do it and it will spoil my hardwares if I did not overclock properly. I will get 3-Way SLI GTX 285 only in the future currently Im gonna use only 1 GTX 285.

Akebono 98 regarding your post I got a few qns to ask as Im not very good at hardware stuff. I will only need larger PSU watts if I overclock am I right? So do I wait for blu-ray to be more common den I would purchase? You also said something abt using water cooler. Is it only for the graphics card?
February 10, 2009 3:29:57 AM

forgotten to add. I wanna look for a computer table and a printer too. (Max length 155m/ 61 inch)
February 10, 2009 5:57:01 AM

The HX1000 is fine even if you OC.
February 11, 2009 2:31:31 AM

The latest revision of your build is perfectly fine. Anything more that we could suggest would be fine tuning and personal preference only.

1. Overclocking will cause the CPU to use more power than if you did not overclock. But, you could use the Corsair 1000HX for an overclocked i7 rig with 3 GTX 285s. If you're going to use the Corsair 1000HX, then keep this power distribution diagram handy and connect your rig accordingly: diagram link. This PSU does apparently have overvoltage protection, so you would be limited to 40A on each 12V rail.

2. Where I am, Blu-ray rental selection is quite limited and buying them is pretty expensive. There are also some discs where the quality is not that good, even though they are BR. So far, the only top quality BR movie that I've seen is the latest Batman (I think Transformers is supposed to be good quality too). Even though I have BR, in retrospect I should have saved the money and just watched DVD for the time being.

3. Watercooling is a whole new ball game. You generally start by putting a waterblock on the CPU so you can OC a bit higher than if you used an air cooler. You would water cool a video card for 2 reasons: overclocking high and if they were squished in tight for SLI / Crossfire. You can also water cool other components too. Like I said before, if you want to water cool, then don't do it unless you've done a lot of homework. I'm not fond of it because I would prefer not to have all that liquid running around my electronic components, any one of which would short circuit and fry if there was a coolant leak. I find air cooling to be completely sufficient for my own OC purposes.

4. You're going to have to shop locally for a computer table.

5. I like the HP LaserJet P2015 series for fast black & white only printing. You may have other printing needs, however.

6. Tri-SLI in general needs a lot of cooling from the case and the Rosewill is not that good. If you like that style of case, look at Antec 1200 or the Thermaltake Armor series. For a rig of this caliber, you shouldn't be skimping on anything.
February 11, 2009 5:17:12 AM

Hey Akebono 98 really appreciate your advice. I have decided to choose Coolmaster HAF 932 but there are still a little probs in some other areas of hardware.

1. As far as I know someone pointed out to me tat EVGA X58 SLI can read up till 1333MHz Memory so if I get tat Corsair TR3X6G-1600C8D 3 x 2GB it would still run at 1333MHz which is not worth my bucks. Do you got any Memory (3 x 2GB) to recommend?

2. I have tot of just using a VelociRaptor 300GB only. As far as my current computer I only has 80GB but 40GB space only. If I dumb everything in 1 hard disk will it slow down my Windows Vista?

3. Thermalright True Black 120/ Thermalright Ultra 120/ Coolmaster V8. All are good coolers which would be a best buy and of best use?
[Is coolers the same as fans?]
February 11, 2009 5:27:13 AM

Your build looks pretty good.
I'd stick with the Corsair 1000W PSU, provided that it has all the connectors you need.

The performance increase that you'll see from a single 285 compared to 3x285 cards, IMHO, isn't worth the price tag. A 2-way SLI configuration may be, worth it, but the difference between 2-way and 3-way isn't going to be near the jump from 1 to 2. Not enough programs out there have the capability to split the GPU load up enough.

Since money doesn't seem to be an objective, according to your choices, I'd seriously consider the Antec 1200 if you have the room. Big, heavy, but airy and cool, can also double as a monitor stand. :D 
Toss a bunch of (low-decibel) 120mm fans up front and one or two in back, along with the PSU fan, and you could probably air cool your system. The case is a real sound blocker too, when securely fastened.

And another suggestion. Instead of going for the VelociRaptor (Which I use for my OS Drive, albeit mine is smaller), why not try a Solid-State Drive? They are dropping rapidly in price, and easily have double the speed of even the fastest spinning media HDD.

Good luck with your build.
February 11, 2009 5:35:23 AM

thx for ur advice. I didnt say money isnt a problem haha. Im currently trying to cut down the price to 4000SGD tat is why Im sourcing for a better Memory (3 x 2GB) since all Memory brands doesnt differ much? Any specific model to the Solid State Drive? Can also put the spinning rate in ur next post too thx. Can you answer my last qns too hehe.
February 11, 2009 5:37:36 AM

Quote:
The performance increase that you'll see from a single 285 compared to 3x285 cards, IMHO, isn't worth the price tag. A 2-way SLI configuration may be, worth it, but the difference between 2-way and 3-way isn't going to be near the jump from 1 to 2. Not enough programs out there have the capability to split the GPU load up enough.


I also forgotten to add wad are u trying to explain? Sorry I dont really understand wad ur saying. Could you explain in detail and wad is ur purpose of saying this or rather wad is ur advice?
February 11, 2009 6:23:28 AM

The point I'm trying to make is that for the ~$750-$800 you would spend on the 2 extra Graphics Cards, you will not see much of a difference in performance, over a single card or even a 2-way SLI configuration.

Example:
Playing Crysis at 1920x1200 with 4xAA on Very High.
A Single 285 card - 19.9 FPS (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-285,213...)
2-way SLI GTX 285's - 38.7 FPS (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-core-216,21...)
There is no benchmark for 3-way SLI GTX 285's, but using a comparable analogy from the 260 series we can come up with a score of - ~45-50 FPS

The difference between single and 2-way SLI is nearly double (197%)
Whereas, the theoretical difference between 2-way SLI and 3-way SLI, is much less drastic, ranking around 112-120% increase.

So, you could probably save some money by going with a 2-way SLI format with your GTX285 cards, instead of spending the extra $375-$400 on the 3-way SLI format.

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As far as the solid state drives, check out TomsHardware's Article on the SSD's -> Here <-

And a decently priced model is the OCZ Core Series V2 OCZSSD2-2C120G, coming in between $200 and $250, depending where you go.

The issue with a SSD is the storage capacity versus price. I don't think a SSD is a viable option for all of your storage, but for an Operating System drive, it is quite handy.

I currently have a setup like yours with a VelociRaptor HDD just for the OS, and it does work well though, so it's just an option.

And really, while the RPM does have a decent impact on overall drive speed, the cache is just as important. A HDD with 15000 RPM and a 2Mb Cache is going to be equal or inferior to a 7200 RPM with a 32Mb Cache. In fact, I'm pretty sure a recent review of Storage devices of spinning media (Traditional HDD's) determined the best overall was the Seagate Barracuda 7200 RPM with a 32Mb Cache, easily beating out both 10000RPM and 15000RPM drives.

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February 11, 2009 8:37:51 AM

hey rauchster. thx for ur advice but I still yet to get the answers to my qns.

1. As far as I know someone pointed out to me tat EVGA X58 SLI can read up till 1333MHz Memory so if I get tat Corsair TR3X6G-1600C8D 3 x 2GB it would still run at 1333MHz which is not worth my bucks. Do you got any Memory (3 x 2GB) to recommend?

2. I have tot of just using a VelociRaptor 300GB only. As far as my current computer I only has 80GB but 40GB space only. If I dumb everything in 1 hard disk will it slow down my Windows Vista?

3. Thermalright True Black 120/ Thermalright Ultra 120/ Coolmaster V8. All are good coolers which would be a best buy and of best use?
[Is coolers the same as fans?]
February 11, 2009 9:57:35 PM

I'm not sure of any 3x2Gb sticks of memory for you to use. Good brands are Corsair, Patriot, OCZ, G.Skill. But I don't have any specific recommendations for the 1333Mhz level, as the fastest I've used is only 1066Mhz.

Storing all your data on a single drive will not "slow down" Vista. However, multitasking enviroments are better suited to have the OS stored on one drive, and the program files stored on a different drive.

The only CPU cooler I've used recently are the Zalman CNPS9700 series. Fits a bunch of sockets, I like it alot, and most places seem to agree, it's amongst the best out there. Maybe take a look at the CNPS9500 or CNPS9900 too. (CPU Cooler is the heatsink. Fans are optional, though most high-quality ones come with fans)
February 11, 2009 10:05:59 PM

rauchster said:
Storing all your data on a single drive will not "slow down" Vista. However, multitasking enviroments are better suited to have the OS stored on one drive, and the program files stored on a different drive.


Thx alot. I still dont understand this part. wad u mean by multitasking environments?
February 12, 2009 5:29:42 AM

Clavally said:
Thx alot. I still dont understand this part. wad u mean by multitasking environments?


Basically, if you only run a couple of programs at any given time, don't bother with using a separate OS drive.

But, if you're like me, and always running 10 programs at once (Windows Media Player, Firefox, Photoshop, Daemon Tools, ImgBurn, Fraps, CurseClient, MSN Messenger are all running right now on mine)
It's probably better to get a dedicated OS drive.
February 12, 2009 5:54:02 AM

rauchster said:
Basically, if you only run a couple of programs at any given time, don't bother with using a separate OS drive.

But, if you're like me, and always running 10 programs at once (Windows Media Player, Firefox, Photoshop, Daemon Tools, ImgBurn, Fraps, CurseClient, MSN Messenger are all running right now on mine)
It's probably better to get a dedicated OS drive.


Cool. What is ImgBurn, Fraps, CurseClient? Daemon Tools - you use torrent? haha

Anyway Im a bit vexed over which graphics card to get. I wan to have good graphics for gaming yet I dont wan to spend over 2k SGD for it.
February 12, 2009 6:48:28 AM

ImgBurn is a tool for creating ISO's. Especially helpful for copying disc's, and has a nice burning tool.
Fraps is an in-game screen recording software.
CurseClient is a modification tool for Warhammer Online (also works with WoW I believe)
I actually don't use torrent. I have a virtual drive via Daemon running for any game that needs a CD. I don't like having to constantly put game discs in and out.

As far as your video card goes, check these out.
MSI N285 GTX-T2D1G-OC
EVGA 01G-P3-1281-AR 285 GTX
February 12, 2009 6:54:27 AM

rauchster said:
ImgBurn is a tool for creating ISO's. Especially helpful for copying disc's, and has a nice burning tool.
Fraps is an in-game screen recording software.
CurseClient is a modification tool for Warhammer Online (also works with WoW I believe)
I actually don't use torrent. I have a virtual drive via Daemon running for any game that needs a CD. I don't like having to constantly put game discs in and out.

As far as your video card goes, check these out.
MSI N285 GTX-T2D1G-OC
EVGA 01G-P3-1281-AR 285 GTX


Btw I still dont get it. What is the diff. between all the distributor? Altho I know EVGA Geforce is the best by far I have seen. You say I should go 2-way GTX 285. Is it good enough for gaming alrd?
February 12, 2009 7:16:11 AM

In most cases, the differences between the manufacturer's is minimal, and usually comes down to name recognition or customer retention.

Here, the only differences between those two cards I mentioned is that the EVGA has a HDMI capability, whereas the MSI clock speed for GPU/RAM are slightly higher.

A single 285 GTX card will power pretty much any game you have at 1920x1200 except for Crysis at High-Very High levels.
February 12, 2009 7:26:48 AM

why use a Ci7 cpu in a gaming machine .

Core 2 quad is better
core 2 duo is better
amd phenom 2 is better .

and all are cheaper
February 12, 2009 7:27:08 AM

rauchster said:
In most cases, the differences between the manufacturer's is minimal, and usually comes down to name recognition or customer retention.

Here, the only differences between those two cards I mentioned is that the EVGA has a HDMI capability, whereas the MSI clock speed for GPU/RAM are slightly higher.

A single 285 GTX card will power pretty much any game you have at 1920x1200 except for Crysis at High-Very High levels.


Okay. Would 2 GTX 285 be sufficient for all games even Crysis? Which manufacturer will u recommend me to? [Given there are like Asus, Palit, EVGA, MSI, ect..]
February 12, 2009 7:29:25 AM

Outlander_04 said:
why use a Ci7 cpu in a gaming machine .

Core 2 quad is better
core 2 duo is better
amd phenom 2 is better .

and all are cheaper


erh the pc rig Im building isnt soley for gaming. Its also for video editting you see. Core i7 is the best processor by far and is also the fastest processor so it can speed up things quite abit
February 12, 2009 7:34:26 AM

Clavally said:
erh the pc rig Im building isnt soley for gaming. Its also for video editting you see. Core i7 is the best processor by far and is also the fastest processor so it can speed up things quite abit


It was the thread title that had me fooled
February 12, 2009 7:38:42 AM

Outlander_04 said:
It was the thread title that had me fooled


oh sorry den my mistake. the PC is not for my own use only altho I game and do video edit. My sister do watch movies and stuff so I gotta get a good sound system. Hence I tot if 2 GTX 285 is sufficent den I could put in a soundcard. About this im not so sure. Waiting for rauchster's reply.
February 12, 2009 8:35:54 AM

2x 285 GTX in 2-way SLI of either of those models I listed above would power anything and everything you could throw at it. If you don't mind spending the money for them, go for it.

Recommendations for brands for Gfx Cards:
ASUS
MSI
EVGA
Gigabyte

I'm pretty sure it does, but double check that the Corsair 1000W Modular PSU you have chosen has 4x PCI-6pin plugs.

The only reason for going that powerful is if you plan on doing Crysis at 1920x1200+ resolution on Very High settings. I make videos using Adobe After Effects CS3, and have little to no problems on a MSI NX8800GT card. 2x 285GTX is overkill. I can play Crysis on that same card at Medium/High settings at 1680x1050 with about 20-25 FPS, peaking at 45FPS.

In reality a single 285GTX will really be enough to power most everything. But, like I said, if you don't mind the extra expense, do it. You won't regret it.

February 13, 2009 12:43:44 AM

rauchster as far as you give me ur advice. Could you clarify my doubts for one last time. Between this 3 Graphic Cards which performance is the best and cheaper? [if possible can u state the prices of each one]

1. EVGA Geforce GTX 285 FTW x 2
2. EVGA Geforce GTX 260 Core 216 x 3
3. ATI Radeon HD 4870 x 2
February 13, 2009 1:49:06 AM

My apologies, I've got to catch up a bit on this thread.

Memory: Memory speed depends on your overclocking strategy and how you set your BIOS timings. On an i7 build, I'd recommend the following, in descending order of preference: Mushkin (link), Corsair Dominator 1600s (link), G.Skill Pi Black (link), G.Skill CL7 (link).

Velociraptor: One 300GB Velociraptor is fine and plenty fast, if you don't need the extra storage space. Partition your drive for better speed, like this:

C: OS
D: Swap file
E: Apps
F: Games
G: Data

Just make sure you backup your data to either a USB stick or DVD+R. Physical drive configuration depends on other factors as well.

CPU cooler: From your list, I'd go with The TRUE 120, non-black edition. It does fit on the eVGA mobo and comes with a backplate and fan that you clip onto the heatsink itself. Don't forget to use Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste to mount it.

SSD: If you want an SSD, look at the OCZ Apex series.

For video card configuration, 2 GTX 285s with an option for the third would be a good route, IMO.

For nVidia cards, my preference would be eVGA, XFX, Asus, in that order.

On the eVGA mobo, run 2 video cards with a PCI soundcard.

If only 2 GTX 285s, then the Corsair 850TX is a sufficient PSU. The 1000HX is for tri-SLI.

You mention video editing--will you be doing HD video editing? If so, then you will need more hardware.

For your video card solution, have a look at these two articles and decide for yourself:

GTX 295 in Quad SLI

3 GTX 260s vs. 2 GTX 280s

Prices in Singapore will be very different from that of the USA, so you'll have to pin those down yourself after you've done your homework.
February 13, 2009 1:58:52 AM

Haha nice to have ur advice again Akebono 98. First thing 1st I wont be doing overclocking as I dont have knowledge on doing it plus I fear my new hardwares may wear out or spoil if I do it wrongly. Hence Im looking for a 1333MHz Memory (3 x 2GB).

Quote:
Velociraptor: One 300GB Velociraptor is fine and plenty fast, if you don't need the extra storage space. Partition your drive for better speed, like this:

C: OS
D: Swap file
E: Apps
F: Games
G: Data


As for ur this part. What do mean Swap file and Data?

Quote:
CPU cooler: From your list, I'd go with The TRUE 120, non-black edition. It does fit on the eVGA mobo and comes with a backplate and fan that you clip onto the heatsink itself. Don't forget to use Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste to mount it.


Are u referring to Ultra 120? Because I dont seem to see any True 120 on the website.

As for Graphic cards, Im looking to see which of those graphic card would give me the best performance and also at a cheaper price. The last link u gave me it is a Comparison between GTX 260 and GTX 280 not GTX 285. hehe
February 13, 2009 2:02:31 AM

Quote:
You mention video editing--will you be doing HD video editing? If so, then you will need more hardware.


forgotten to add this. What do u mean by I need more hardware if Im doing HD video editing?
February 13, 2009 3:47:12 AM

Akebono 98 said:


Velociraptor: One 300GB Velociraptor is fine and plenty fast, if you don't need the extra storage space. Partition your drive for better speed, like this:

C: OS
D: Swap file
E: Apps
F: Games
G: Data

Just make sure you backup your data to either a USB stick or DVD+R. Physical drive configuration depends on other factors as well.


Partitioning in this style doesn't affect your speed or performance in any positive way. All it does is help some data be more secure and separate from others and impose limits on the size.

Regardless of how many partitions are on a drive, there are still only a set number of read/write heads within the drive. Therefore, a 1 partition HDD will run at approx the same speed as a same model HDD with multiple partitions.

The reason you create a completely separate OS drive, is partially for file distinction and retention, but more for utilizing one set of read/write heads for Windows functions/background programs, and utilizing another set of read/write heads for active programs. Thereby halving the total read times for loads/operation is a multi-tasking environment.

February 13, 2009 4:03:16 AM

rauchster said:
Partitioning in this style doesn't affect your speed or performance in any positive way. All it does is help some data be more secure and separate from others and impose limits on the size.

Regardless of how many partitions are on a drive, there are still only a set number of read/write heads within the drive. Therefore, a 1 partition HDD will run at approx the same speed as a same model HDD with multiple partitions.

The reason you create a completely separate OS drive, is partially for file distinction and retention, but more for utilizing one set of read/write heads for Windows functions/background programs, and utilizing another set of read/write heads for active programs. Thereby halving the total read times for loads/operation is a multi-tasking environment.


haha you got me confused. So if I partitioned like wad Akebono 89 did will my HDD run slower den I partitioned like wad u suggest? What u mean active and background programmes can give eg?
February 13, 2009 4:30:40 AM

Memory: If you just want DDR3-1333, then get the G.Skill CL7 that I linked above--1333 speed at CAS latency 7.

HDD Partitioning: You partition your HDD into different sections. Everyone has a different approach, but what I've suggested puts the more frequently accessed items on the outside edge of the platter, makes it easier to install a new OS, makes the swap file faster because it runs on the outside edge of the platter and doesn't fragment as much, and by separating your data files into a different partition, makes it simple to backup (e.g. backup the entire G: drive). By your response, I suppose that you might just be running one big partition and that is fine, but what I've suggested is a more advanced trick. Go to the Tom's Hardware Storage Forums if you want to read up on other partitioning methods.

TRUE: In these forums, because we have to keep typing out the names of various parts over and over again, "TRUE" is shorthand for "Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme". See what I mean?

260 vs. 280: Yes, my typo above. What you need to do with those articles I gave you is to read them and extrapolate a bit. GTX 285 is a little faster than 280, and you can also overclock the 260 to approximately 280 levels. Those articles also give you comparisons with the 4870x2, and all of the various configurations. If you want more detail, then you'll have to dig around for a few more benchmarks.

HD Video Editing: Generally, for HD video editing, you would want to have a fast quad core CPU, max RAM and 2 drives in RAID 0 for speed.
February 13, 2009 4:45:04 AM

In ur opinion which is the better of the 3? In fact I dont even understand wad ur talking abt in the HDD Partitioning para. can u explain in greater details
February 14, 2009 12:45:30 AM

Video Cards: For video cards, from your 3 options, I'd be inclined to go the GTX 285 route--start with 1 card now and then add a second one later. I think that you will find 1 GTX 285 to be sufficient until newer games come out.

HDD Partitioning: Regarding partitioning, there are physical hard drives (e.g. 2 velociraptors) and there are "virtual" drives (partition 1 Velociraptor into logical drives C and D). You can partition a single physical drive into different logical drives, making the computer think that you have several different hard drives when in fact you only have one. Partitioning serves many purposes, for example, if you separate all of your data into a different partition, then it makes it easier to back up that partition to another drive, etc. Think of it as watertight compartments on a ship.

Sounds like you've been running one big partition all along (everything in C: drive), so if you're happy with that, then don't worry about it and just continue doing what you're doing. You will notice that the people posting to these forums have fairly advanced needs, so we tend to use such configurations to facilitate our PC use.

What might have confused you, judging by your OP, is that a very common hard drive configuration is to use a Velociraptor for OS and apps and then a separate and large terabyte sized drive to store your data files. This way your computer would read C: and D: drives and they would be separate physical drives too. You do this because you want a smaller, faster drive to store things that are frequently accessed, and then a larger capacity drive to store data, because you might have more of it. Since you don't have much data, then it's even better to store it on the Velociraptor because that's a fast drive.

Another analogy goes like this. On your current system, you probably have a folder entitled "Data", under which you might store separate subfolders "Documents", "Movies", "Music", etc. When you break out a separate data partition, then the top level "Data" folder is moved to a separate logical drive (e.g. G: drive in my example above) and that logical drive has nothing on it except your data. So in the future if you want to upgrade to Windows 7 and do a clean install on the OS partition, then your data partition is not affected. Just makes life easier.

It's probably best to not partition your drive unless you know what you're doing. If you want to do this, then you should read up on it first.
February 14, 2009 9:36:05 AM

In your previous post u said tomshardware has articles on partitioning. Could u put some links here for me to read? I tried to find but couldnt do so. sry to trouble u
February 15, 2009 9:10:56 AM

Would GTX 285 be possible to play very high settings for Crysis warhead?
February 15, 2009 10:05:51 AM

4870x2 is the best for price and performance :D  believe me
February 15, 2009 2:36:21 PM

Clavally said:
Would GTX 285 be possible to play very high settings for Crysis warhead?


Not at 19x12.
February 16, 2009 1:33:37 AM

+1, and not too well at 16x10, either.


Here's a good place to start on HDD partitioning (Wikipedia): Disk Partitioning entry link.

And here are a few other decent reads:

Radified Partitioning Strategies link

PCStats Beginner's Guide link

Best Practices for Partitioning A Hard Disk link

Unfortunately, the Storage Forum doesn't have a sticky on partitioning. Some of the best information that I've read has just been on various threads discussing user needs. It may be worth your time to dig through some of these (look for ones with "partitioning" in the title) as well.


P.S. It's no trouble at all--that's what these forums are for.
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