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Should I buy AMD phemon II or Intel Core i7 920?

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May 9, 2009 2:28:24 PM

I'm unsure about both even I looked at beachmarks I never used AMD and I have a 1 computer and 1 laptop both are Intel. I support Intel but I also support Ati Radeon too. It will be used mainly for gaming, browsering, video editing and all other basic apps you would do as family.

Avantages of using AMD

Cheaper
Most bang for pound
Has support for ati graphic cards

Disavantages of using AMD

Not popular as Intel
only has a 4 cores with 4 hypertheading compared to core i7 with 4 cores and 8 hyperheading.
Less app support.

Help me to decide.
May 9, 2009 2:35:25 PM

If you have the cash to build an i7 system with more than the cheapest possible components, go for it.

If not, go for the Phenom II, the only thing you'll see a difference in is video editing.
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May 9, 2009 5:27:45 PM

The i7 will give you better performance in video editing, but the Phenom II will allow you to buy a better graphics solution making it better in gaming. What is your budget?
May 9, 2009 6:01:29 PM

500 to 700. I could make it 800 if u want. (Pound).
May 9, 2009 6:52:07 PM

For 500-800 stick with the AMD system and get a nice GPU.
May 9, 2009 6:58:50 PM

Yeah with that budget I'd rather go for a Phenom II system with good parts and a nice GPU than an i7 system with the cheapest parts possible and a mediocre GPU.
May 9, 2009 7:10:55 PM

the point to note here is that video editing is NOT your professional need . even if it takes a while more on amd , you will get no incentive for saving a few minutes .

go for am3/790fx , 4 gb ddr3 , phenom 955 (for the unlocked multi) , dual 4770 in crossfire , with adequate cooling for both cpu and gpu overclocking .

the price/performance is attractive with a 4770 xfire setup . also phenom 2 will not hamper your frame rates .

you dont need to spend them all , even if your budget is 1000 . go for the best price /performance , and upgrade to rosier am3 and ati gfx in the future .
May 9, 2009 8:00:56 PM

for £700 you could get a P2 720 am2+ base and a 4870 X2 or an i7 build with a 4770.

your pick.
May 10, 2009 4:47:10 AM

I'd say go for the AMD based system.
May 10, 2009 9:01:29 AM

Thanks. I'll go for best bang for pound system. AMD with HD 4890.
May 10, 2009 10:02:24 AM

Avantages of using AMD

Cheaper
Most bang for pound
Has support for ati graphic cards / No , intel supports them as well, but probaly is a tad slower with them /

Disavantages of using AMD

Not popular as Intel / popularity won't affect preformance /
only has a 4 cores with 4 hypertheading compared to core i7 with 4 cores and 8 hyperheading.
Less app support. / What do you mean with less apllications ? You want to use professional designign software or ? They're both Quadcores, every game will run on both of them.. /
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May 10, 2009 12:07:56 PM

There's nothing wrong with AMD CPUs and graphics cards.
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May 10, 2009 3:44:07 PM

Here is a nice chart showing the economic advantages of AMD's CPU's vs Intel's
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/16796/14
It's actually part of a review of the Phenom II X4 955
On this chart they use a inexpensive AM2+ motherboard rather than an AM3 one but also
they use inexpensive motherboards for the Intel CPU's as well.
It would be preferable to use a AM3 motherboard for the Phenom II X4 955.
May 10, 2009 8:05:17 PM

Dang, I changed my mind, I will be buying core i7. Due to charts saying core i7 owns AMD phemon II
May 10, 2009 8:06:04 PM

Sorry for double post.

I never used AMD nor brought one.
May 10, 2009 8:39:46 PM

Before this ignorance goes on any longer, there is no software difference between AMD and Intel chips.

They both operate on the x86 assembly platform (or else windows couldn't run on both of them without a major difference in code).

All software compiled for an 80x86 architechture (as well as including ones compiled for extended 32 bit (x86-64, which AMD currently owns) should work on both chips. I can't think of a single application that would fall into an intel only program that might even interest a semi normal consumer, the kind of people who would post here for help.)

Their support for hardware is based on motherboards and should be investigated some, but it shouldn't be an issue. Just buy a different mobo.

In theory, the phenom 2 and core i7 have different market places.

If you are actually cash strapped (especially if it is around 1000 USD) then you will have to decide what your machine will predominantly be used for (Gaming versus video editing versus photo editing. Almost anything else would be just as well off with a last generation chip...) If you want to game, you will want a better graphics card, meaning you will want to spend less on the CPU, which favors an AMD chip.

If you want to video edit, you will want a respectable video card (image quality reasons) and a fast processor with as many cores as you can get basically, obviously favoring the core i7.

If you are in photo-editing market, I would imagine that the difference would be marginal, but favoring the i7. With little to no multi-core support in the applications and the main bottleneck being ram bandwidth and internal cache, I would say the i7 is probably the better chip to buy, considering DDR3 ram is cheap now and you get more cache on an intel chip. I wouldn't rule out a Q9550 for this though.
May 10, 2009 8:43:40 PM

Wow... i7 does NOT own a Phenom 2. Look closer, even the 3-4 apps it pulls away in it is not by a significant amount. Your gaming will suffer greatly, stick with the Phenom 2 if you even care about gaming performance. Also overclocking will put a huge dent in the difference. My mother's Q6600 @ 3.8 Ghz (stock is slightly slower than Phenom 2 920) encodes HD video only 4 minutes slower than my i7 920 @ 4.2 Ghz. At stock the difference is around 20-30 minutes.

We have gone over this, buying an i7 system at your budget will make absolutely no sense and waste your money.
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May 10, 2009 8:44:01 PM

core i7 ownage said:
Dang, I changed my mind, I will be buying core i7. Due to charts saying core i7 owns AMD phemon II


Yes either one looks fine according to those charts.Plus I've heard that the Core i7 920 can overclock like a beast (Some people call it the new Q6600).It looks like on some games the Phenom II X4 955 at stock is a little bit more powerful.Obviously the higher end Core i7's don't seem economical for their power.Someone who was building with those would most likely be doing it for bragging rights.It looks like the Core i7 920, the Core 2 Quad 9550 and the Phenom II X4 955 look like the best deals so far for price per performance.
The Core i7 920 is definitely worth it for a new build.
May 10, 2009 8:51:52 PM

descendency is absolutely correct, I did not think you meant that but by rereading your posts you might have.

Also as i had pointed out, when overclocked the i7 does not pull ahead too much, but with photo-editing on a professional scale the i7 will have a more pronounced lead. Remember if you do not PROFESSIONALLY edit photos or encode HD videos then the i7 is a luxury that you will suffer for in gaming.

I am not biased in this case because I own an i7 and have built a few i7 systems. I do not regret my purchase because I understood the circumstances and my budget is far greater than yours because computer building is my main hobby. Hell your budget would cover my watercooling system and that is about it, I know how ridiculous that is but I don't care because my budget is nearly unlimited since I can just save up for the parts I want anyway. Also having virtually no bills and making decent amounts of money working after school helps.

STICK WITH THE PHENOM!
May 10, 2009 8:52:58 PM

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This thread has been fcuked up from start to finish, at least i hope this is it finished.


I don't understand why, he just seems to be getting confused about the real world difference between the 2 systems.
May 10, 2009 8:54:25 PM

By looking at his name, i'm pretty sure this entire thing was just a setup to piss us off.
Either that, or he has no clue about anything computer related.
May 10, 2009 9:27:55 PM

I did not notice his name until now. If he is trying to be biased then he failed because none of his arguments for i7 made sense, hell Enigma makes more sense than that.
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May 11, 2009 2:38:04 AM

Soldier37 has a very nice system.In fact I am kind of torn between building a Phenom II X4 955 system and a Core i7 920 system myself.Mostly I need it for Microsoft Flight Simulator X.Any advice guys for which performs better for FSX?
I don't care about other games,simulations or applications.
May 11, 2009 3:01:23 AM

kami3k chill you look like a major hypocrite now.

I'm telling you, if all you want to do is gaming then i7 is useless to you. I did not notice much of a difference at all upgrading from a dualcore with 2 4870 X2s which is one of the setups that should see the highest benefit from i7, but it really doesn't.

What soldier probably meant was that at high resolutions the difference between a Phenom 2 955 and an i7 920 is extremely slim, which is absolutely correct.

Soldier nice rig bro, a bit much on the lights but hey different tastes are not necessarily bad. Is that Phenom 2 955 watercooled? Can you post up a CPUZ shot please, not that I don't just you its that I have not seen a 955 hit 4.2 Ghz. Also what are the overclocks on that 4870? I find 4870s to be hit or miss with overclocking and have not been able to go over 800 core/1000 mem.
May 11, 2009 11:07:17 AM

Ok, I realised that difference between AMD and Core i7 is really slim but AMD is cheaper so, I will be buying AMD. Please don't mind my name, later I will delete my account.
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May 11, 2009 11:34:37 AM

descendency said:
Before this ignorance goes on any longer, there is no software difference between AMD and Intel chips.


There are differences... try 3DNow! and SSE4.1?
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May 11, 2009 11:40:53 AM

The_Blood_Raven said:
kami3k chill you look like a major hypocrite now.

I'm telling you, if all you want to do is gaming then i7 is useless to you. I did not notice much of a difference at all upgrading from a dualcore with 2 4870 X2s which is one of the setups that should see the highest benefit from i7, but it really doesn't.

What soldier probably meant was that at high resolutions the difference between a Phenom 2 955 and an i7 920 is extremely slim, which is absolutely correct.

Soldier nice rig bro, a bit much on the lights but hey different tastes are not necessarily bad. Is that Phenom 2 955 watercooled? Can you post up a CPUZ shot please, not that I don't just you its that I have not seen a 955 hit 4.2 Ghz. Also what are the overclocks on that 4870? I find 4870s to be hit or miss with overclocking and have not been able to go over 800 core/1000 mem.


Reading some of these posts gives me a headache.
May 11, 2009 4:02:42 PM

AMD really did hit 7.1 GHZ.

AMD has best bang for pound prices with very little difference between core i7's power. I will also be buying HD 4890 or 49xx series after summer. Which meant I should be buying AMD, it has better support with ATI graphics unlike core i7.

Well, I'm still unsure because Intel never failed me and I have a computer and a laptop, both are Intel. Computer is 6 year old and is kicking alive, but slow and sluggish because of virus :( 

Remember I have a budget of 600-800. Cheaper would be better. And no, I don't do professional editing. I just edit videos like one from www.youtube.com/user/lee7noo8/. That account is mine.
May 11, 2009 4:17:42 PM

Chill.
I come here for help, not for flame. Oh I forget I shouldn't feed the trolls.
May 11, 2009 4:19:58 PM

Get a Phenom II 720 if you're on a budget.

core i7 ownage said:
Chill.
I come here for help, not for flame. Oh I forget I shouldn't feed the trolls.


8/10
May 11, 2009 5:47:10 PM

Don't forumjack me please. I meant is AMD based mobo with ATI graphic card works little bit better than Intel based mobo with ATI graphic card.

Dang, I fed the troll, now he's forumjacking me.
May 11, 2009 7:29:57 PM

Crossfire scaling used to be better with AMD motherboards until the X48 chipset came out and now they are even. Both AMD and Intel motherboards will perform the same with a crossfire setup.

As for the 4890, go for it that is a great card for the money. The 49xx series was just a rumor a while back and is not coming out, the only card that may come out before the 5xxx series is the 4890 X2 which will be out of your price range.

stranger please try to help him and not flame him, if I flamed everyone who bought a rosewill PSU that exploded then I would be very busy and would likely have to quit my job.
May 11, 2009 8:04:00 PM

Thanks. Might well to buy 5xxx series single card. maybe HD 5270 or something.
Finally, thanks all for trying to help me.
May 11, 2009 8:28:33 PM

they wont be coming out to Q3 or Q4 likely so it might be a bit of a wait.
May 11, 2009 9:08:29 PM

core i7 ownage said:
I'm unsure about both even I looked at beachmarks I never used AMD and I have a 1 computer and 1 laptop both are Intel. I support Intel but I also support Ati Radeon too. It will be used mainly for gaming, browsering, video editing and all other basic apps you would do as family.



I would definitely recommend Core i7. Contrary to the rumors out there, a Core i7 rig is only marginally more expensive than Phenom II, and will definitely outperforms Phenom in multi-threaded applications (video editing for one).

For instance:

Core i7 920 D0: 239.99 (MC)
ASUS P6T SE: 209.99
Mushkin DDR3-1066 6GB kit : 79.99
ASUS HD4870DK: 199.99

Max gaming at 1920 x 1200 on most games, achieving 4.0Ghz+ on air, retain future upgradability to both Nvidia and ATI multi-GPU solution, retain easy upgradability to Intel 32nm processor, and proving to AMD fanboys their fantasy is no more than a dream = priceless.
May 11, 2009 9:10:13 PM

Quote:
4.2Ghz stable with an X4? :lol:  You're less then 1% of overclockers then. Majority are stuck at 3.8Ghz


If you take a good look at the rig he posted... he actually used water cooling to hit 4.2Ghz.

On a Core i7 920 C0, I can hit 4.3~4.5Ghz w/ water cooling.
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May 11, 2009 10:04:24 PM

Quote:
6th response down and i pointed out that there is no compatability issues, i repeatedly asked why he kept mentioning it, after a little while of someoe who DOESN'T FCKUING listen


I know how you feel... this thread was weird to begin with.
May 12, 2009 10:34:45 AM

Yeah yoma is correct an AM3 system doesn't really make sense considering how much more i7 is, but an AM2+ with a Phenom 940 will perform the same and cost much less. The AM3 system would be better if the only decent AM3 boards did not cost $150-$200.

Edit: 4 Ghz on air is never guaranteed with an i7 920, like Phenoms they tend to stop around 3.8 Ghz.
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May 12, 2009 2:16:24 PM

core i7 ownage said:
Don't forumjack me please. I meant is AMD based mobo with ATI graphic card works little bit better than Intel based mobo with ATI graphic card.

Dang, I fed the troll, now he's forumjacking me.



look noob, it isnt good manners to call someone a troll who has been here as long as StrangeStranger. 10,000 posts to your 100 = FAIL.
May 12, 2009 3:42:06 PM

Ok

There are many questions about this, and basicly to answer this is:

If money is no object, go with i7, but not a 920 for gaming, I recommend a 965.
But the AMD Phenom II X4 955 is actually better than the i7 920 for gaming, so your paying a lot less for better gaming performance. Overall I recommend the AMD Phenom II X4 955 CPU because of it's performance and price, not to mention, overclocking, cold-bug and great multipliers, cache and standard clock speed.

May 12, 2009 3:58:10 PM

yomamafor1 said:
I would definitely recommend Core i7. Contrary to the rumors out there, a Core i7 rig is only marginally more expensive than Phenom II, and will definitely outperforms Phenom in multi-threaded applications (video editing for one).

For instance:

Core i7 920 D0: 239.99 (MC)
ASUS P6T SE: 209.99
Mushkin DDR3-1066 6GB kit : 79.99
ASUS HD4870DK: 199.99

Max gaming at 1920 x 1200 on most games, achieving 4.0Ghz+ on air, retain future upgradability to both Nvidia and ATI multi-GPU solution, retain easy upgradability to Intel 32nm processor, and proving to AMD fanboys their fantasy is no more than a dream = priceless.


Even through that, I'm still consfused, will it handle 32m CPU? Please make it clear.

BadTrip said:
look noob, it isnt good manners to call someone a troll who has been here as long as StrangeStranger. 10,000 posts to your 100 = FAIL.


I wasn't calling him a the troll. Take a peek to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Then you will understand why.
May 12, 2009 6:46:49 PM

The_Blood_Raven said:
Yeah yoma is correct an AM3 system doesn't really make sense considering how much more i7 is, but an AM2+ with a Phenom 940 will perform the same and cost much less. The AM3 system would be better if the only decent AM3 boards did not cost $150-$200.

Edit: 4 Ghz on air is never guaranteed with an i7 920, like Phenoms they tend to stop around 3.8 Ghz.


Yet while MOST Phenom users could only hit around 3.8Ghz, most i7 920 can hit 4.0Ghz+ on air. I know someone who hit 4.6Ghz on air with D0, and that's not even a golden sample.
May 12, 2009 7:11:30 PM

So, what speed will Core i7 achieve with stock cooler? Above 3.0GHZ I hope. If it can and 32m chip works too with mobo then I'm buying it.
May 12, 2009 7:18:58 PM

Stock cooler? Well 2.0 Ghz would be optimal, but I guess 2.66 Ghz is doable...

Yeah the stock cooler is so bad I can't recommend it for stock cooling, my i7 920 idled at 52-55c and loaded at 70-75c stock with the stock cooler and a perfect pread of Arctic Cooling MX-2. Albeit I never use stock coolers, but I was curious because everyone said the stock coolers suck except the product reviews at Newegg.
May 12, 2009 7:19:45 PM

Wisecracker said:
There are 15 AM3 mobos listed at The Egg - 8 are less than $150. The Gigabyte 770T-UD3P AM3 is $85 - the Gigabyte 790XT-UD4P AM3 w/ 2x PCIex16 (x8x8) is $125 AR.

The Asus M4A78T-E AM3 combo with a PhII 720BE is $259.00.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


True, but those motherboards kind of suck. I suppose it still isn't a bad deal.
May 12, 2009 7:42:57 PM

aoked said:
Ok

There are many questions about this, and basicly to answer this is:

If money is no object, go with i7, but not a 920 for gaming, I recommend a 965.
But the AMD Phenom II X4 955 is actually better than the i7 920 for gaming, so your paying a lot less for better gaming performance. Overall I recommend the AMD Phenom II X4 955 CPU because of it's performance and price, not to mention, overclocking, cold-bug and great multipliers, cache and standard clock speed.


A 965? Surely you jest, sir.
May 12, 2009 8:22:48 PM

I wonder when AMD is going to up the cache on their cpu's?

I reckon once they do that they will be beating the i7's.
May 12, 2009 9:36:37 PM

Not gonna happen. In order for Phenom to defeat Core i7, it would have to improve its microarchitecture.
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