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My Dell B1100 has a 2.53GHZ Celeron (I know :lol: ) and the other compnents are all original. I plan to get a cheap video card (Has to be PCI :( ) and using it to output to me HDTV. I alreay have a HTPC, but this is for my other TV lol. Is it enough for HD content? And what PCI do you guys reccomend?

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Message edited by starams5 on 05-11-2009 at 07:12:44 AM
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I'm looking towards the 8400GS, but I can get the 6200LE cheaper. Does the 6200LE work?

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Of course it works, unless its broken... I would get the 8x00. It will have better decoding abilities, which is what you want if you have a low CPU. This way the GPU can decode the video, and your CPU won't have to work as hard. Get the newest lowend PCI card you can as it will decode the best.

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It should, take a look at this one (HDTV Ready). Sure would be nice to have one with a min of 512Mb though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] Tpk=6200LE

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I need HDCP though right? For connecting it to HDTVs?

Reply to AKM880

Ouch... PCI...

Get the 8xxx by far... has better HD decode. As for the system, try and keepto playing mp2 files to reduce CPU load.

Reply to amdfangirl
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I will be probably playing H.264, MKV, etc. What about the HD2400 from ATI?

Reply to AKM880

Not bad. The 8x00 is newer so it probably supports video play back better. If the price is better however, then get that over the 8x00.

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AKM880 wrote :

I will be probably playing H.264, MKV, etc. What about the HD2400 from ATI?



Both are pretty decent.

If you can, encode the files in MP2, saves CPU cycles.

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Yeah it'll take forever, the CPU is only single core. Plus a Celeron. :(

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Yeah, I wouldn't bother trying to transcode them into something else. Just get the newest GPU you can afford.

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Well it plays WMV HD just fine, I don't know if thats different for each type of video? I tihnk I might be going with the 6200 but that can't deocde HD :(

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OK, let me get this straight. Your buying a video card for decoding HD, but you dont want to buy a video card that will decode HD?

I dont think we can help you...

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Reply to B-Unit

The only cards that you should even be considering for HTPC HD video playback from that Newegg link above are the Geforce 8400 and 9400, and the HD2400.

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AKM880 wrote :

My Dell B1100 has a 2.53GHZ Celeron (I know :lol: ) and the other compnents are all original. I plan to get a cheap video card (Has to be PCI :( ) and using it to output to me HDTV. I alreay have a HTPC, but this is for my other TV lol. Is it enough for HD content? And what PCI do you guys reccomend?



A PCI graphics card will almost certainly bottleneck the PCI bus if you try to play HDTV. My standard-definition HTPC has a GeForce 6200 PCI graphics card and plays back standard-definition TV fine, but HDTV is unwatchable. I was curious if the Athlon XP 3200+ backing up the GeForce was the problem, so I put the GeForce in my desktop, which successfully plays back HDTV using a PCIe GeForce 6200TC without any decode assist (using XVideo, not XvMC, XvBA, VDPAU, etc.) The PCI GeForce had the exact same playback issues on my desktop, so I can only attribute that to the PCI bus being the problem.

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Thanks for the answers, also on the CPU sticker it says Celeron D?

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Celeron D, specifically the 2.53GHz one you have, is a Pentium 4 Prescott-based CPU with 256KB L2 cache and 533 fsb. Frankly, it's a slow processor. However, if you want to have some fun, you can pin mod that old Celeron to 800 fsb, giving you a 3.8GHz Celeron D. The stock Dell cooler SHOULD be able to handle it. Might need a voltage pin mod as well to make it stable at 3.8. If you have absolutely no idea of what I'm talking about, please disregard.

Also, don't go with the 6200LE shown to you in that link. It's obviously PCI express. You need the PCI-only card. I also recommend an 8400 or 9400 card, but actually, I recommend you swap out that Dell mobo and in place put in an AMD mobo with a 780G chipset, followed by a cheap X2 cpu and a gig of DDRII.

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<Sorry!> I am really interested about the pin mod,please explain? Yeah I noticed it was PCI-e, and that I need a PCI card.

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AKM880 wrote :

<Sorry!> I am really interested about the pin mod,please explain? Yeah I noticed it was PCI-e, and that I need a PCI card.



There are PCI GeForce 6200s (I have one) but they are just a plain 6200, not 6200TC or 6200LE. They can accelerate HDTV, but only MPEG-2, so they will work for over-the-air HDTV and most unencrypted digital HD cable, but not Blu-Rays or most downloaded-from-a-computer HD.

As far as the FSB pin modification, you will need to find if the Celeron is a Socket 478 or LGA775 unit as the instructions for changing the BSEL on each socket is different. You can download CPU-Z and it will tell you the socket type. Alternatively, you can remove the heatsink and CPU and look at them. If the CPU has pins sticking out of the bottom, it is Socket 478. If the CPU has flat little spots, it's LGA775.

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Its a 478, this computer is old. I'm thinking about the HD2400, can that accelerate H.264, MKV?

Reply to AKM880

Here's an old thread I made back in the day on socket 478 pinmodding. Looks like all the links are broken now. At least the instructions are there.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messag [...] +overclock

Reply to joefriday

AKM880 wrote :

Its a 478, this computer is old. I'm thinking about the HD2400, can that accelerate H.264, MKV?



The HD 2400 accelerates MPEG-2, H.264/AVC, and VC-1 on Windows. I don't know much about MKV, so I can't tell you if it accelerates that or not.

Reply to MU_Engineer

I don't know about the MKV either... you might need to recode those.

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MU_Engineer wrote :

The HD 2400 accelerates MPEG-2, H.264/AVC, and VC-1 on Windows. I don't know much about MKV, so I can't tell you if it accelerates that or not.




I know this is an old thread, but I have some info on that HD2400 card......Well not really info, but speculation. Over at the Visiontek boards, people are saying that the PCI version of the HD2400 doesn't actually have h.264 encoding. Everywhere I have read, it says it does, and I own the card, but haven't been able to test it yet. However, Visionteks support hasn't gotten back to me yet with the question. If they do I will post.


Message edited by vogt_51 on 06-18-2009 at 11:24:40 PM
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I doubt it. The decoder is built-in.

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mkv is a container for video+audio, not a codec.
So HD2400 will accelerate a mkv containing H.264 for its video. You also need to find a DxVA compatible decoder of course e.g. MPC-HC and PowerDVD8/9

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Reply to wuzy
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+1, I personally use MPC-HC I find it useful to for DXVA.

Reply to AKM880

Wuzy, why are you so smart?

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