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March 8, 2009 8:01:06 AM

A single GTX285 would do the work.....
March 8, 2009 8:28:12 AM

Well. I was looking at playing Unreal 3, Counter Strike, Crysis, Call of Duty, World of Warcraft and, Everqeust 1.

I dont think that 1 GTX285 can do Crysis. can it?
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March 8, 2009 9:09:51 AM

Crysis is just one game, pretty costy to get that little FPS more for one game isnt it?
A 285 appears to do fine, although I dont know the resolutions etc.
March 8, 2009 4:47:45 PM

sorry but no ! 30 - 40 fps is very good and most people agrees with that.
a b Î Nvidia
March 8, 2009 5:02:42 PM

and only CS freaks want over 100fps anyways lol
March 8, 2009 5:07:19 PM

You can get 100fps if you play at 1280x1024 but not at 1920x1200
March 8, 2009 6:27:59 PM

michaelmk86 said:
35fps is not enough. Good frame rates is 100fps and 60fps minimum.


I think the human eye can't tell the difference beyond 60fps.

And 30 is the required fps for a first person shooter, so it's good enough. Anything beyond 60 is for benchmarking only.
March 8, 2009 6:38:15 PM

Humans perceive up to and over 60 fps.
March 8, 2009 6:38:39 PM

30-40 wont work but thanks.
March 8, 2009 6:40:27 PM

Anything over 60 fps is adequate, 72 fps is maximal (anything over that would be overkill). Framerates cannot drop though from that 72 fps, or we will start to see a degradation in the smoothness of the game. Don't get me wrong, it is not bad to play a game at 30 fps, it is fine, but to get the illusion of reality, you really need a frame rate of 72 fps. What this does is saturate the pipeline from your eyes to your visual cortex, just as reality does. As visual quality increases, it really becomes more important to keep frame rates high so we can get the most immersive feel possible. While we still may be several years away from photographic quality in 3D accelerators, it is important to keep the speed up there.
Looks like 3dfx isn't so full of it.

http://www.daniele.ch/school/30vs60/30vs60_3.html
March 8, 2009 6:52:27 PM

SLI GTX 285 beat a single GTX295

3SLI GTX 285 beat QUAD SLI GTX295

remember a GTX295 is 2x GTX260.

Have fun !
March 8, 2009 8:11:23 PM

So is one GTX 285 better then a GTX295? Seems the 295 is realy an 260?
March 8, 2009 8:13:25 PM

yup. SLI GTX285 beat a single GTX295
March 8, 2009 9:03:57 PM

mrchaos101 said:
So is one GTX 285 better then a GTX295? Seems the 295 is realy an 260?


1 GTX285/GTX280 < 1 GTX295
2xGTX285/GTX280 > 1 GTX295

1 GTX295 > 2xGTX260
1 GTX295 = 2xGTX260 OCed
March 9, 2009 10:41:28 PM

GTX 295 is 2x240 sp (same as 2xGTX280) at clock and memory amount and interface (2x) of GTX260...so 2x GTX hybrid between 260 and 280
March 9, 2009 10:46:39 PM

*** ed up engine...
March 9, 2009 10:48:03 PM

well guess what?
u wont get 60fps with 285 sli at very high.... maybe not even with high...
its crysis... its a cool game with a screwed up engine...
March 9, 2009 10:52:57 PM

GTX 295 :
GPU Engine Specs:
Processor Cores 480 ( 240 per GPU )
Graphics Clock (MHz) 576 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1242 MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 92.2

Memory Specs:
Memory Clock (MHz) 999 MHz
Standard Memory Config 1792 MB GDDR3 ( 896MB per GPU )
Memory Interface Width 896-bit ( 448-bit per GPU )
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 223.8


GTX 280 :
GPU Engine Specs:
Processor Cores 240
Graphics Clock (MHz) 602 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1296 MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 48.2

Memory Specs:
Memory Clock (MHz) 1107 MHz
Standard Memory Config 1 GB
Memory Interface Width 512-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 141.7


GTX 260 :
GPU Engine Specs:
Processor Cores 192
Graphics Clock (MHz) 576 MHz
Processor Clock (MHz) 1242 MHz
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 36.9

Memory Specs:
Memory Clock (MHz) 999 MHz
Standard Memory Config 896 MB
Memory Interface Width 448-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 111.9

The ONLY thing that come from the GTX280 is the Processor core of 240.
March 10, 2009 1:19:34 AM

boulard83 said:
SLI GTX 285 beat a single GTX295

3SLI GTX 285 beat QUAD SLI GTX295

remember a GTX295 is 2x GTX260.

Have fun !


not two 260's but a hybrid between a gtx260 and gtx280. just the memory and core clock speeds are from a gtx 260 but everything else from a gtx280. All reviews show this at the beginning...

I disagree about 3 285's beating quad 295's...

http://forums.techarena.in/monitor-video-cards/1115367....

They both have their advantages and disadvantages list from the link...

Just getting one of these GTX295 was already hard enough...
March 10, 2009 1:31:03 AM

mrchaos101 said:
Humans perceive up to and over 60 fps.

this doesnt make any sense. Are u saying??
>= 60 and 60 <, negative infinity to infinity????
what a joke.


March 10, 2009 1:32:08 AM

Chris ... read my last post ...
March 10, 2009 1:37:08 AM

GTX260 and GTX 295

SAME clock
SAME memory interface (x2)
SAME memory size (x2)
ROP 28 (x2)

Different Processor core (240 vs 192 or 216) from the GTX280

GTX280 have 32 rop

all of those have 1400 transistor
March 10, 2009 1:37:54 AM

boulard83 said:
Chris ... read my last post ...


hmm yeah your right...



Texture address filtering also if that matters...
March 10, 2009 1:41:42 AM

With Max AA/AF and Very High settings good luck getting very far over 60fps in Crysis @ resolutions at 1920x1200 or higher. Quad SLI 295's or Tri SLI 285's are the only setups that are even going to get near your desired 72 fps in Crysis. If you overclock the crap outta three 285's 72 fps solid gameplay should be possible but anything less good luck seeing anything over 60fps lol.
March 10, 2009 1:52:22 AM

magicbullet said:
this doesnt make any sense. Are u saying??
>= 60 and 60 <, negative infinity to infinity????
what a joke.



Why is it any time somebody try's to get some legit help, an ass hole like you comes along to troll the thread?
March 10, 2009 1:59:31 AM

SO then if the price is better to get 2 x GTX260 it would be better to go that route.... vs getting a GTX 295?

I ordered an GTX 295, and had plans to refuse shipment.... to order 2 GTX285's.
March 10, 2009 2:07:32 AM

mrchaos101 said:
So is one GTX 285 better then a GTX295? Seems the 295 is realy an 260?


??? no way one GTX 285 is faster/better than a 295... You are comparing an overclocked GTX 280 to a dual hybrid GTX 260 and GTX 280...

And if you want over 60FPS, what resolution do you play on? what game? Good luck getting over 60 fps on Crysis at highest settings...

Personally on my 1080p 42 inch i am good with just one GTX 295 i7 920 and get average high 30's FPS..... and am happy with the results...
March 10, 2009 2:43:42 AM

chris13002 said:
??? no way one GTX 285 is faster/better than a 295... You are comparing an overclocked GTX 280 to a dual hybrid GTX 260 and GTX 280...

And if you want over 60FPS, what resolution do you play on? what game? Good luck getting over 60 fps on Crysis at highest settings...

Personally on my 1080p 42 inch i am good with just one GTX 295 i7 920 and get average high 30's FPS..... and am happy with the results...



Woah slow down :o  . I never in any post said I wanted 60-100 fps in Crysis. I said what games I played. I only HELPED answer some of my own questions/and other posters by researching what the human eye CAN see.... I provide nip from that article and I posted the link. While i admit I didn't like the sound of 30fps, i never made that public as i didn't know what could and could not be achieved with either of these cards. I think some of you are mixing ME up with michaelmk86.

That said, It has already been made VERY CLEAR that an single 295 is better then a single 285. I furthered the thread in the last post by asking if an 295 was == 2 x 260's..... based on how I understand the replies. Meaning if you can can get 2 of the 260s for about $200 each... or 1 of the 295's for $500... how would you go?

My original issue is the decision between the 295 vs the 285 or 2x 285. Based on USER reviews on the Tiger and Newegg web sites, I thought the single 295 was > then 2 of the 285's... thus my appearance in these forums.

As for the GTX 280's... dunno how the hell those got in the works... but it seems they are now being compared to the 295 and the 285 as well.

I originally was going to purchase 2 x 285 for SLI. Read reviews and seeing ALL the happy campers saying it is the fastest and latest and greatest, I elected to go with 1 295. The card is due on my door step Thursday. I started feeling a tad dumb ass for not reading TRUE reviews and came here.

By going with a SINGLE 295 I save my budget about $150 that I could put in other hardware that NEEDS more help. I dont want to give up much performance. The rig im building is my first beast. (well a least to me)

12GB DDR2 PC15000
4 x 300GB WD Raptor Drives (Raid 5)
MSI Eclips X58 mobo
Intel i7 Extream 3.2Ghz CPU
Ultra 3x 1000w PSU ( was gonna get the 1600w and have electrician come out but another thread talked me out of that.)
24" monitor

The video cards is what is killing me.
March 10, 2009 7:34:25 PM

It's my understanding that the 285 is just a die-shrunk 280... of course I'm noob and might be missing other points of distinction.

I would also like to know which will be better overall and better value: single 295 or dual 285.
March 10, 2009 8:55:50 PM

die shrunk and faster in everything you can overclock in... small die means less power consumption and just able to produce more...
GTX 285 - $400
GTX 295 - $500

better value?

one gtx 285 requires 550W PSU, one GTX 295 requires 680W...
gotta take into consideration the difference between an SLI and a regular pci x motherboard and power requirements are almost the same...

GTX 295 beats 2xgtx260's but slightly slower than 2xgtx280's...
two 285 will be a significant difference compared to one gtx 295 but the question is $800 for two gtx 285 or $500 for gtx 295...

I personally would tell anyone to spend $100 more for the gtx 295 because it's simply the fastest single slot card out there now...

two of these will give you the fastest vantage scores out...

but comparing the value of 2xgtx285 vs gtx 295...

I don't think its worth the extra $300 plus extra motherboard costs for SLI...

March 10, 2009 9:46:52 PM

IM about to have 2 GTX285, ill let you know how it perform !
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March 23, 2009 4:34:35 PM

New to this forum, but I run 2 GTX 285's (BFG's----they come OC'ed 666 core clocks) and to me they are probably overkill for 98% of games...even with one I was playing Crysis and Crysis Warhead with Very High and Enthusiast settings and 4xAA, now I am playing with 16xAA (not needed as 8xAA is plenty)...but truly it is cool to see both running great and no issue with microstuttering (which I had with dual 8800 Gt's). Now, I would never go back to one as I like the power of 2 and knowing that as games progress in the future that I have no worries that my system can't handle it.

System:
Q6600 @ 3.6 (1.4 volts)
Coolit Domino ALC (Advanced Liquid Cooling) for CPU
Evga 780i sli mobo
Ocz Reaper 1066 Ram (2x2GB)
(2) BFG GTX 285's @ 666
PSU: Corsair TX 750 (single 60 amp rail)
(3) 500GB sata HD's
(2) DVD/CD optical drives.
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932
Display: Samsung Syncmaster 24" (1920X1200)
Sound: X-Fi Extremegamer
Speakers: Logitech X540 5.1
Razer eXactMat/Logitech G% laser mouse

Vantage score: P-23,057
March 23, 2009 5:00:38 PM

Ok. Im done with the system build. This was the final result:

2 x EVGA 01G-P3-1287-AR GeForce GTX 285 SSC Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

1 x Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 Nehalem 3.2GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

1 x Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 120mm SSO CPU Cooler - Retail

1 x MSI X58 Eclipse SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

1 x Ultra X3 ULT40311 1000-Watt Power Supply - ATX, SATA-Ready, PCI-E Ready, Energy Efficient, Modular

2 x CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 15000) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (total of 12 GIGS)

3 x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

1 x ASUS VW246H Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail

1 x Thermaltake Xaser VI VG4000SWA Silver / Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

1 x areca ARC-1210 PCI-Express x8 SATA II Controller Card RAID 0/1/1E/3/5 JBOD - Retail

March 23, 2009 7:09:25 PM

BFG just came out with a good 1200W PSU. better VS this ULTRA ...

Your better to go with SSD vs VR. youll have less storage .. but use a 1TB for storage and 2 SSD raid-0

You dont really ned teh EXTREME .. but its as you wish !
March 23, 2009 10:48:28 PM

After reading reviews on the SSD, Im not willing to pay the amount wanted per gig. Not for the minimal performance increase... I think I will stay with my 3 VR's in a RAID 0 (btw I hope I was right to go with that $300 raid card vs using on board). I almost bought the 3X 1600W solution... but my wife had a hart attack when I told her I was gonna have the local electrician come out to set it on it's own circuit (yes it is easy to do, and no i will not do that my self.)
As soon as Newegg gets some of the 2TB WD sata drives in stock, I wlll order 2 or 3 of those for storage.... but those will be hooked up to the on board system raid controller.... non raid.
March 24, 2009 2:32:16 AM

Why not just go all out and get EVGA FTW GTX 285's? If your not planning to overclock beyond stock at least your factory overclock will be the highest possible. If you are planning on overclocking them not sure if SSC's are necessary as my card runs well over SSC speeds just fine and its the base EVGA 285. Just a thought =/
March 24, 2009 2:48:12 AM

Kinda want to OC it my self... learning project. Gonna start with the cpu and then memory then the video cards.
April 25, 2009 8:14:17 AM

Probably a bit late on the response here, but Crysis, Far Cry 2, Call of Duty 4 and 5, World of Warcraft, and Unreal 3 all work just fine with a single GTX 285 OC 1 gig DDR3. I play all of those games quite often and have had no problems whatsoever. I'm sure framerate and bell-and-whistles would be better with SLi, but it's really unnecessary right now. By the time a game comes out that really requires 2x 285's then there will be better cards for the same price or maybe a little more.

My System:
Vista Home Premium 64bit
AMD Phenom II X4 940 (overclocked to 3.6ghz with standard cooling)
Asus M3nHT-Deluxe Mobo
8 gigs OCZ 800mhz DDR2 Memory (actually 1066mhz but opted to run all four dimms at 800 over 1 dimm at 1066)
Single BFG GeForce GTX 285 OC+ 1 gig
OCZ Vertex Solid State HDD (as boot drive. Fastest boot to Desktop was 9 seconds. Data retrieval is faster than raptors in raid0)
WD 500 gig 7200rpm 32mb cache HDD
700 watt PSU
28" Monitor
G11 Keyboard
G5 Mouse
Logitech 5.1 Surround Speakers
April 25, 2009 1:27:16 PM

Your right, but you know ;)  some of us just need to have to top of the line !
May 5, 2009 5:06:25 PM

boulard83 said:
SLI GTX 285 beat a single GTX295

3SLI GTX 285 beat QUAD SLI GTX295

remember a GTX295 is 2x GTX260.

Have fun !



Umm, no.

GTX 295 = 2x GTX 275

Granted GTX 275 wasn't out when you posted your message, but it is a GTX 285 GPU with the memory interface from a GTX 260.
May 5, 2009 5:14:27 PM

Yup. you right.

But as you told ... GTX275 wasnt out ... your just Out of subject ...
May 5, 2009 6:55:30 PM

drop the processor.. get core i7 920 d0 stepping, overclock until 4.2Ghz (achievable). cash saved, spend on another gtx 285.. Tri SLI.. Isnt that cool? games are always about graphic cards.. not processor.
May 5, 2009 7:32:42 PM

@mansalim

All about GPu ? not about CPU ? GAMES ? your out of the track. Lots of most recent games are very CPU intensive. You can take GTA4 that is the most CPU needing game ATM. I get 55% avg use of my 3.74ghz Q9550 when playing. This mean sometimes over 70% on all core.

I agree that without a GOOD gpu you cant game at Hi-res/Hi-detail but you need a good CPU too.

Its a combination of hardware.
May 5, 2009 7:42:02 PM

@boulard83

what i mean, he should drop Core i7 extreme (965) but get Core i7 920 instead.
i think Ci7 920 is a good cpu after all. and with the money he saved from buying 965extreme, he can get another GPU.

so its a good CPU and good GPU.

right?

Oc'ed 920 paired with 3 GTX285 can beat Oc'ed 965 paired with 2 GTX295

Look here
May 5, 2009 8:36:36 PM

and i agree with this.

BEST would be a SLI GTX285 with an OCed I7 920 ( like 4.0+ ). NO need of a 3sli ! the price of the 3rd card can be spend on a good WC kit.
May 5, 2009 9:08:48 PM

boulard83 said:
and i agree with this.

BEST would be a SLI GTX285 with an OCed I7 920 ( like 4.0+ ). NO need of a 3sli ! the price of the 3rd card can be spend on a good WC kit.


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