downloaded OCCT and wouldnt run for 3 seconds before it quit. lowered clocks to 3.45ghz, raised vcore to 1.45 after doing more research on the chip. only stable in OCCT for about 4 minutes. runs Vantage fine.
read somewhere to try to run MHz at 2x FSB so i set it 1:2 and its been running very stable with auto timings, which so far have been lowest settings in bios, or very close. and very very fast
currently at desktop stable fresh boot at 3.5ghz, vcore 1.42 nb 1.24 (turned red so i stopped but seen OC Genie auto overclock turn it higher so not worried) ram is going at 468 mhz 6-6-6-15-20-1T Dual Ganged. NB freq is 2.34 GHz. starting OCCT on linpack now.