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May 12, 2009 11:29:21 PM

Right now im recovering from weeks of computer downtime and i believe my MB is damaged. will turn on but no picture signal with multiple graphics cards, psu, cables, switched out etc. possible pci-e socket damage but the other one doesnt work either so, i need a new mobo. The setup below has served me well for 3 or so years and im thinking of upgrading it but im a little confused at the performance gain. i do a little video editing for friends and family and a lot of unraring, multitasking, and watching a lot of blu ray/ hi def stuff and thats pretty much it with cpu intensity. I don't mind spending 650 or so but if i truly dont need it could someone let me know?

This is the setup now:

MB -broken asus p5w dh deluxe
gpu -ati 4670 - 512gddr4
ram -corsair 1gbx4 6400 c4
cpu -e6600 2.4 -which id like to overclock to 3.0 again
psu -antec hx520
case -antec p180
raptor -os Windows 7 RC1
storage -1tbx2 seagate barracudas

Any suggestions on a cheap new socket 775 that will more than do the job to replace the broken one or:

Consideration config:

msi eclipse sli -because maxpc says its the best, even though i would only have 1 vcard - (hmm is the MSI overkill?)
i7 920
6gb corsair uh 10333 or 13000? (the faster speed whatever its called)

heres the chart on the head to head comparison of the cpu's http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q...[2271]=on&prod[2200]=on

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May 12, 2009 11:47:12 PM

Depending on the software packages you use a non-gamer could benefit even more from the i7 upgrade than someone mostly interested in gaming.

Your chart link didn't work:



From review @ AnandTech
May 12, 2009 11:52:06 PM

WR2 that was fast -my mistake on the chart thx for your input
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May 13, 2009 12:00:49 AM

THG WinRAR chart

@ $289 a/r MSI Eclipse SLI does seem to be a bit more than you need to spend when you can get decent X-58 boards under $200.
Interesting in overclocking at all? That might be a discriminator on which MB to choose.
May 13, 2009 12:01:34 AM

i7 would be a good upgrade but realize that you're gonna be spending at least 600....if you don't think that's worth the cash I recommend a Phenom II 940 or 955, and AM2+ mobo. You can get both of those together for maybe 350.
May 13, 2009 12:03:20 AM

The price difference between an comfortably priced Core i7 and Phenom II 940 is only 70 bucks top.

I would say go for the Core i7. For a little over 50 bucks more, you get almost twice the performance in CPU-intensive applications.
May 13, 2009 12:11:22 AM

Thx for the replies! i found an open box MSI X58 Eclipse SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard OPEN BOX for $250 at newegg and yes i definatly want to overclock the poop out of this chip. it also looks like people are leaning towards the p6q motherboard for some reason but i like the x-fi built in and the overclockability. im not sure but with overclocking this seems like the one to get. The phenom looks great for the budget minded but I'm on the computer so much that I'm going to adapt a borg implant next month...
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May 13, 2009 12:12:25 AM

Thing is, you never see i7's benched at 'comfortably priced' do you?

It's still all about the cpu and gpu with gaming. If you're a gamer then always buy a cheaper cpu at the expense of a faster gpu. Unless you are buying the fastest gpu now, and plan to upgrade it every time a faster gpu is released then don't even consider i7 for gaming.
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May 13, 2009 12:14:43 AM

Quote:
The 920 gives up 600mhz compared to the 955 and STILL kicks its ass


Not in gaming.

Edit - tbh this doesn't really matter as the best option is buying a new mobo.
May 13, 2009 12:16:20 AM

i just bought a 4670 vcard because anything else i was told is overkill and for gaming, so i think im covered there. primarily it will be used for upscaling 1080p images to my front projector. my peni-----screen is 133". so im hoping that was just in the middle of undercooking and overdoing it with a gtx 260 or something along those lines just for upscaling
May 13, 2009 12:18:38 AM

are you the same guys who fight over whether star trek or star wars kicks the others ass? jk ;) 
May 13, 2009 12:22:18 AM


It's still all about the cpu and gpu with gaming. If you're a gamer then always buy a cheaper cpu at the expense of a faster gpu. Unless you are buying the fastest gpu now, and plan to upgrade it every time a faster gpu is released then don't even consider i7 for gaming. said:

It's still all about the cpu and gpu with gaming. If you're a gamer then always buy a cheaper cpu at the expense of a faster gpu. Unless you are buying the fastest gpu now, and plan to upgrade it every time a faster gpu is released then don't even consider i7 for gaming.


Not sure if you have problem reading, but according to the title..

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Not only that,

i do a little video editing for friends and family and a lot of unraring, multitasking, and watching a lot of blu ray/ hi def stuff and thats pretty much it with cpu intensity said:
i do a little video editing for friends and family and a lot of unraring, multitasking, and watching a lot of blu ray/ hi def stuff and thats pretty much it with cpu intensity


So for someone who runs CPU-intensive applications, Core i7 makes a lot more sense.





May 13, 2009 12:30:51 AM

Picard: "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS"

true yomamafor1 but i appreciate his time.

CORSAIR XMS3 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8 G - Retail for $114
Open Box: MSI X58 Eclipse SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard for $250
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail for $280

tax is $60
shipping is $10

total is $713 -what do you think? oh poop, i forgot the cpu cooler, and have no idea what to get
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May 13, 2009 12:56:38 AM

You want to carefully read the condition statement for open box items.
May 13, 2009 1:14:13 AM

cool thanks. ive been reading a lot and it seems that this mobo is crap despite what maxpc says. half the people are complaining about something or other. its a little better with the EVGA and evga is a great company but their boards are RMAing all over. The best solution atm looks like the asus p6t deluxe v2. any thoughts?
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May 13, 2009 1:24:00 AM

Spencer, if you are sure it's the mobo that is broken then just replace it. You don't need the best or fastest pc for how you use it.

Most mobo failures are simple bios chip replacements btw, so that might be worth looking into to.
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May 13, 2009 1:24:05 AM

double post
May 13, 2009 1:40:53 AM

im not exactly sure that it is the MB but all indicators point its way. ive swapped psu, monitor, dvi cables, vcards (gtx 260 that im returning and this 4670 i just picked up all will not load.) system seems to boot, with no post just the sounds and the signal is never picked up. with the gtx 260 i was able to boot into safe mode but not regularly and yes i have the newest bios, ive tried just one stick of ram and pulling everything else out, reseting cmos, and pulling the battery about 100x. my buddy thinks it is a pci-e slot error but when i put it in the other slot it does the same thing---nothing just a blinking monitor light. this is the MB right? its not the psu, hd, vcard, ram, monitor, cable -so i cant fix it and am stuck with this ---ur right i can just replace it somewhere that still sells these but what if its the chip? i dont know. its been a month waiting for new parts and trying dif things with no luck
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May 13, 2009 1:53:28 AM

I know what you mean. I would normally try a new graphics card, cpu or psu first too.

It looks to me like you have done already so that only leaves the mobo or cpu. Why not try your cpu in your friends mobo so you can discount that possibility.

If you can use your friends pc then you can switch out every part and try out every combination. I've been doing the exact same thing these past few days.

In the end, I knew I had broken my bios by trying to flash it in windows so I finally had to give up and just buy a new one. A new bios that is, not a new mobo.

If you think thats the most likely fix then you can probably get one on ebay. Here are two I just found -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BIOS-Chip-ASUS-P5W-DH-DELUXE-P5WD...|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BIOS-Chip-ASUS-P5N32-E-SLI-P5W64-...|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Good luck with it. :) 
May 13, 2009 2:05:52 AM

jennyh said:
I know what you mean. I would normally try a new graphics card, cpu or psu first too.

It looks to me like you have done already so that only leaves the mobo or cpu. Why not try your cpu in your friends mobo so you can discount that possibility.

If you can use your friends pc then you can switch out every part and try out every combination. I've been doing the exact same thing these past few days.

In the end, I knew I had broken my bios by trying to flash it in windows so I finally had to give up and just buy a new one. A new bios that is, not a new mobo.

If you think thats the most likely fix then you can probably get one on ebay. Here are two I just found -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BIOS-Chip-ASUS-P5W-DH-DELUXE-P5WD...|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BIOS-Chip-ASUS-P5N32-E-SLI-P5W64-...|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

Good luck with it. :) 

You're awesome. thank you, ill give $15 a shot before $715
May 13, 2009 2:17:52 AM

I'll never buy an open box MB again. Several years ago I bought one ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Retail and later bought three more of the same MBs as open box (refurbished) versions. All of the open box MBs died after a few years but the Retail one still works great.
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May 13, 2009 5:22:16 AM

yomamafor1 said:
The price difference between an comfortably priced Core i7 and Phenom II 940 is only 70 bucks top.

I would say go for the Core i7. For a little over 50 bucks more, you get almost twice the performance in CPU-intensive applications.


I managed to get the Phenom II 940, 2x2Gb 1066 memory, and a Biostar 790Gx motherboard for $279.98 last week.
May 13, 2009 5:35:24 AM

OMG, WTF are you guys smoking?!?!?!

Find a decent 775 board and milk that C2D for a year or so, then grab up a 45nm quad. Theres no reason with what you use a PC for to spend that kind of money right now.
May 14, 2009 7:00:45 PM

spencerfine said:
Right now im recovering from weeks of computer downtime and i believe my MB is damaged. will turn on but no picture signal with multiple graphics cards, psu, cables, switched out etc. possible pci-e socket damage but the other one doesnt work either so, i need a new mobo. The setup below has served me well for 3 or so years and im thinking of upgrading it but im a little confused at the performance gain. i do a little video editing for friends and family and a lot of unraring, multitasking, and watching a lot of blu ray/ hi def stuff and thats pretty much it with cpu intensity. I don't mind spending 650 or so but if i truly dont need it could someone let me know?

This is the setup now:

MB -broken asus p5w dh deluxe
gpu -ati 4670 - 512gddr4
ram -corsair 1gbx4 6400 c4
cpu -e6600 2.4 -which id like to overclock to 3.0 again
psu -antec hx520
case -antec p180
raptor -os Windows 7 RC1
storage -1tbx2 seagate barracudas

Any suggestions on a cheap new socket 775 that will more than do the job to replace the broken one or:

Consideration config:

msi eclipse sli -because maxpc says its the best, even though i would only have 1 vcard - (hmm is the MSI overkill?)
i7 920
6gb corsair uh 10333 or 13000? (the faster speed whatever its called)

heres the chart on the head to head comparison of the cpu's http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q...[2271]=on&prod[2200]=on



i7 your a none gamer and even if your a gamer you don''t need to go with 17 right now the best quad x4 processor for the money is the phonem II am2+ 940 running at 3ghz you can over clock it to 3.6 ghz right out of the box. ddr2 1066mhz. you can get 8gig of the ddr2 for about $100 you will save alot of money going with AMD Phennom II becuase you don't need to buy DDR3. DDR3 is still new so you will have to pay 6x what you pay for ddr2 right now. and for a motherboard you have a ATI video card. ATI & AMD are one in the same AMD owns ATI. So if you want to give your card a boost in power get a board with AMD new chip set HD3300/790GX This 55nm AMD chipset supports all of the same features as the earlier 780G plus more. Among these features are ATI Hybrid Graphics, PowerPlay, side-port memory, CrossFireX, and OverDrive. AMD 790GX motherboards can choose to support CrossFire through dual PCI Express x16 slots but with only PCI-E x8 bandwidth per slot. While not related to the graphics front, 790GX motherboards are also able to utilize AMD's newer SB750 Southbridge, which is a modest upgrade from the SB700. AMD as just put out the most powerful motherboard ever. and you can crossfire you GUP you havew now with the one in the Board so you will have 2. its says you can only do 3200 and 3400 series but thats off i have a HD 3870 and it working sweet. I have tested it at http://www.yougamers.com and its saying • Your display card is significantly more powerful in raw performance • Your display card has all the required features thats how much this chip set helps out the video and the HD 3870X2 doesn't even have have the power of the 4850. i put together this say tem for %$580 ad the only 3 things i did by My HDDs, DVR burns, and Windows. and i haven't been able to push 50% of my systems power running anti-virus, anti- spy 3 at time. running Cususoft 7.07 converting movies to dvd format and playing agame. so you don't need to spend the extra for a i7. Right now the best bang for the buck is the Phenom II its only 200-210 and you sure to be able to pull a combo deal and save a few hundred bucks. and ddr3 lowest level is 1066. get that wait a few years then when DDR3 drops then go get a i7 or a am3 processor. thats my plan DDR3 does hit speeds of 2000mhz but you should see the price on them and most boards only handle 1333mhz right now DDR# is nice that it tripple channel. THE board I got to go with it was ECS A790GXM-A because 32gig ram max and its got a easy overclocking engin takes the guess work out of knowing what thew clock speed will be you just set it to how ever far you want and it how you 3100 3200 exc. the HD3300 runs at 700mhz got 128mbs GDDR3 and you can give it up 512 more for a total of 700mbs. And AMD broke records with this CPU overclocking 6073MHz using liquid nitrogen the Dragon F1 Extreme, and i would like to see i7 keep up with that even with DDR3 do you know where i can get a liquid nitrogen cooler I have looked can't fine one. shenmue_007@yahoo.com if anyone knows where i can get 1
May 14, 2009 7:15:05 PM

spencerfine said:
WR2 that was fast -my mistake on the chart thx for your input



17 no need its ddr3 that is great but you can't ove clock it to 6073ghz and ddr3 cost alot more then ddr2 1066mhz and with new motherboard HD3300/790GX
with a Phenom II 3ghz you get more bange for the buck and AMD got it right the first time with the Phenom with a true Quad Core processor. only thing they 3 things they got noth enought cashe and no ddr3 but when you can overclock it to 6ghz i guess you don't need it.
May 14, 2009 7:26:17 PM

The Third Level said:
i7 would be a good upgrade but realize that you're gonna be spending at least 600....if you don't think that's worth the cash I recommend a Phenom II 940 or 955, and AM2+ mobo. You can get both of those together for maybe 350.



Ok if he's trying to save money why would he buy a PHenom II 955 thats a AM3
DDR3 is alot of money you can pick up HD3300/790GX combo deal for under $300
and get 8gigs DDR2 for about $100 so thats only 400 to build. with the money he saves he can get Dragon F1 Extreme liquid nitrogen cooler and overclock it to 6ghz then his computer would blow away the i7 even if it only had ddr memory.
May 14, 2009 8:19:37 PM

Masta666 said:
Ok if he's trying to save money why would he buy a PHenom II 955 thats a AM3
DDR3 is alot of money you can pick up HD3300/790GX combo deal for under $300
and get 8gigs DDR2 for about $100 so thats only 400 to build. with the money he saves he can get Dragon F1 Extreme liquid nitrogen cooler and overclock it to 6ghz then his computer would blow away the i7 even if it only had ddr memory.


First, learn English.

Second, if hes trying to save money, he should not buy a new CPU, just a mobo...
May 14, 2009 8:21:17 PM

"Faithful quot
The price difference between an comfortably priced Core i7 and Phenom II 940 is only 70 bucks top.

I would say go for the Core i7. For a little over 50 bucks more, you get almost twice the performance in CPU-intensive applications."
Faithful and no you don't get clost to twice preformance you get about 1/4 . 1/3 and Phenom beats the i7 in some of the bench marks not maney but a cuple. And the fact it its more then $50-70 because of the DDR3 you going to have to buy now. ddr3 gos up to 2000mhz but the i7 right now can onlt handle 1333mhz ddr3 theres DDR2/DDR3 1066mhz the DDR2 1066mhz is just over clocked 800mhz basically. And and DDR3 its going for alot more money then DDR2 so you going to spend more te $70 they like 300>400 just on the memory with that i would say go with the Phenom II AM2+
with motherboard HD3300/790GX AMD has releast some sweet chipset the most powerful onboard gpu and the chip set makes it that much more powerful. onboard GPU
running at 700mhz 128mbs GDDR3 and you can side load up to 512mbs into system.
sweet right. And i was able to crossfire it with my HD 3870 I' know you not suppose to be able to do that with my card its not a 3200 or 3400 series. I was able to do it on ESC A790GXM-A board. And he's got a ATI/AMD 4670 so he can crossfire it.sweet hunn.
And with the money he saves he can buy liquid nitrogen cooler Dragon F1 Extreme is the 1 AMD use to break would records. He can join then in the record books and say i gopt a 6ghz process or. Its go a sweet stock fan I was able to overclock it to 3.7 right out of the box. yes that DDR3 is going to give him the that much more a boost and if i can get 3.7ghz with stock cooler with water he should be able to hit 4.2 or higher. And at 4.2 or close to there i don't think that DDR3 going to help the i7 much. you can go to this site to get a system score http://www.yougamers.com then go to virtual Mark
my system score 15,800 3.6ghz 15800, i7 2666 16900, and Phenom II 6073ghz 36007
hey can anyone tell me where to get the Dragon F1 Extreme I can't find it online my email is shenmue_007@yahoo.com
May 14, 2009 8:44:47 PM

my system was only 600
CPU phenom II 940 over clocked to 3.6 ghz
board ECS A790GXM-A HD3300/790GX
Ram 8gigs DDR2 8500 1066mhz
GPU HD3300 & 3870 crossfire
HDD 500,320
DVD 2 16x burners
Ultra 650-Watt Power Supply
only thing buy was the HDD case and dvd drives
CPU & board $319 combo deal at newegg.com
HD 3870 $99.95 +
Power Supply 69.98, and
OCZ 8 gigs 8500 1066mhz $99.96
at tigerDirect.com total $588.89 + shipping shipping from tigerdirect.com was only $1.99. and about 20 more newegg but they didn't have the HD3300/790GX then so i got it at newegg a%%holes chared me 2.99 for rush got it in 3 days and payed about $20.00 + $2.99. and $1.99 fom tigerdirect in 3days i always get it in 3 days from tiger direct and newegg take about 2 weeks if you don't pay the rush.
May 14, 2009 10:01:36 PM

and 1 more thing you need 64 bit windows to do anything over 4 gigs. I don't even know why computer companies even put Vista 32 bit there computes
May 14, 2009 10:38:07 PM

^^ because not everyone uses over 4 gigs of RAM, and only recently are we starting to switch from 32 to 64 bit. In a year or two you'll probably start seeing more 64-bit OSes preloaded.
May 14, 2009 11:47:56 PM

@OP: For your consideration, this is how mature Masta666 is...

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you piecs of *** you don't see ayone going around and if you read what was said i was tell preson best way to go if he was to get AMD Phenom with AMDs new HD 3300/790GX chip set and being able to crossfire it with His GPU he alreadys has he would be able to game as well as do none Game stuff. the guy I was quoting was telling him he was only saving $50-70 the then thats not true because DDR3 cost about 3x ddr2 is going 4 you dumb ass noobie


Lovely little PM I just recieved.

Thought Id go ahead and highlight his ignorance a bit more...

O and since Im feeling fiesty, pull your head out. He already has a Core2, a simple motherboard replacement will have him back up and running, and in a few months, as Core2Quad prices drop further, he will be able to make the jump to quad core for less than he would have to pay to go to AM2 now.

EDIT: Also, why would he crossfire, hes a NON GAMER!!!!!!!!!
May 18, 2009 9:59:29 AM

haha
finally b-unit gets the point: NON-GAMER (ur all idiots)
the new mb is ALL he needs, and as unit said, the 45nm quads will be dirt cheap by the time he wants more...
btw... as he said: he just wants his computer working again :D 
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May 18, 2009 6:36:31 PM

OP - Just Fix/replace your motherboard and continue.
May 18, 2009 8:04:02 PM

I know theres a lot of discussion here...just going to add my opinion...

Well, no, if your a non gamer, like myself, i7s have massively incredible power and AM3 processors alike. Of course if you have a big budget, you may want to consider it, because you will be future and upgrade proofed probably for the next 5-6 years, and still have good performance after that.

If you want to build something...you may want to consider AMD but seeing you have an Intel setup I dont know.

Look at this AM2+ processor...you can build a nice setup for about $600 with this (gasp).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel wise....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


For the price comparison...AMD wins...=)
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May 19, 2009 1:06:40 PM

...and he can replace his broken motherboard and use what he already has for less than half of that.
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May 19, 2009 11:24:46 PM

jennyh said:
Thing is, you never see i7's benched at 'comfortably priced' do you?

It's still all about the cpu and gpu with gaming. If you're a gamer then always buy a cheaper cpu at the expense of a faster gpu. Unless you are buying the fastest gpu now, and plan to upgrade it every time a faster gpu is released then don't even consider i7 for gaming.


Hmm, according to your "logic" then a gamer should buy an Atom or maybe a used 286 for gaming...

Anyway, CPUs do make a noticeable difference when you're maxed out on the GPU side - see THIS article, although to be fair it doesn't include the 940 or 955 CPUs.
June 6, 2009 7:12:55 AM

The i7 is not a game friendly CPU. It is however, excelent for intensive multi-threaded aplications. It DOMINATES video encoding, rendering and other media tasks.

If you want a gaming PC, go with an Phenon II 955 or a Intel Q9650. They both surpass the i7 in games.

If you do encription and decription, the PII 955 is the way to go.
July 14, 2009 9:18:51 AM

If you're into video encoding, the Core-I7 seems to kick everything else's arse in so far as whatever codecs utilize multi-cores.

but if you're gonna spend the extra bucks on the latest X58express mobo, it would be nice to know if Intel is planning to scrap the 1336 socket with the next generation or stick with it for awhile.

Nowadays, it seems like if they so much as change the print font used on the cpu package, you've got to buy a new motherboard.
August 4, 2009 10:34:40 AM

razzb3d said:
The i7 is not a game friendly CPU. It is however, excelent for intensive multi-threaded aplications. It DOMINATES video encoding, rendering and other media tasks.

If you want a gaming PC, go with an Phenon II 955 or a Intel Q9650. They both surpass the i7 in games.

If you do encription and decription, the PII 955 is the way to go.

well the point of a Corei7 gaming pc is so it doesn't bottleneck the graphic cards, like the 4870x2 CF or the gtx 295 quad sli's, not saying that the phenom's or C2Q's would, but that the i7's would probably be better for games in that sense.
August 14, 2009 2:17:27 PM

I it sounds stupid but unplug the computer and take the battery out, leave it out for about 10 mins, make sure your monitor is off.
put the batt back in and try to boot up.
the other thing is to take out one mem stick and put only one in, it will run in single channel mode, you can turn the computer off and try the opposite mem stick, maybe one mem stick is bad?
take the cpu cooler off and take the cpu out and put it back in and put the cooler back on, then unplug the p/s plug on the board and plug it back in a few times.
take out any cards you dont need to boot, unplug even the ribbin cables for the drives try to boot with only a keyboard and video card.

if it still doesnt post then? maybe it is dead i dont know.
i have had other boards that people said were dead and now they work fine after trying these things, sometimes the pins get dirty a bit and its enough to make a connection again, alot of conectors have only a small voltage in a computer so it doesnt take much not to make the conection.
the atx power supply connection on the board is a common one, try unplugging it and plugging it in a few times to clean the pins. I have got liek 4 boards to work that way that were dead before, also the mem pins get dirty sometimes just taking the mem out and putting it back in can work, sometimes it takes a bit of force to seat them all the way.

good luck.
August 14, 2009 2:31:39 PM

is the board's clear cmos or clear bios jumper on "clear cmos or bios spot" its a small jumper to clear the bios mem, make sure the power is unplugged first.

some boards actually are shipped with the jumper in the clear cmos position, they wont post untill you move the jumper.

look in the book and make sure the jumpers are all in the right spots,
i have not seen any boards not post at all, this is actually not that common, usually when a board dies it has things stop working like the hdd controller or sound card, it is possible for the pcie controller to die but i havent seen that yet.

if you have onboard try the onboard maybe the pcie slot is not enabled in the bios.

run it for a while and see if your cpu feels warm or stays cold, if its cold it could be the cpu, if you think its the cpu find a friend with a socket 775 system, its easy to change cpus and try it.

- take the board out and try it with just the card and p/s on the cardboard motherboard box, maybe a screw is shorting it out on the bottom or something in the case.

August 27, 2009 4:39:31 PM

spencerfine said:
im not exactly sure that it is the MB but all indicators point its way. ive swapped psu, monitor, dvi cables, vcards (gtx 260 that im returning and this 4670 i just picked up all will not load.) system seems to boot, with no post just the sounds and the signal is never picked up. with the gtx 260 i was able to boot into safe mode but not regularly and yes i have the newest bios, ive tried just one stick of ram and pulling everything else out, reseting cmos, and pulling the battery about 100x. my buddy thinks it is a pci-e slot error but when i put it in the other slot it does the same thing---nothing just a blinking monitor light. this is the MB right? its not the psu, hd, vcard, ram, monitor, cable -so i cant fix it and am stuck with this ---ur right i can just replace it somewhere that still sells these but what if its the chip? i dont know. its been a month waiting for new parts and trying dif things with no luck


It happened something like that to me, believe it or not, was the thermal paste (Arctic Silver 5), maybe it was making some kind of short between my heatsink (hyper 212) and the heatspreader of the cpu (phenom II 940), just removed it and applied the one included with the cooler.

Hope it helps.
Regards.
September 5, 2009 4:30:42 AM

Right now unless you are an extreme gamer, the D0-stepping i7-920 is the way to go, with 3GB of DDR3 (tri-channel, you use 3 sticks at a time). Grab a board that gives you 6 RAM slots so you won't be throwing any away.

This gives you the cheapest possible buy-in to the LGA1366 socket platform, decent performance (it's a 4-core CPU and the D0 stepping 920 is the most overclockable i7 in the stable).

If you need the extra RAM and you are going 64-bit (because any more than 3-4GB is pointless with a 32-bit OS), it is even more important to get a board with 6 memory slots, because you can make the choice of either getting 6x1GB and only having to throw away half of them when you upgrade, or grabbing yourself 3x2GB and having those other 3 slots available for when the 4GB sticks come out. The latter solution will yield 18GB compared to 15GB if you go the 6x1GB route.

razzb3d> On a single-GPU system the Core 2 duo and quad beat the i7, but with two or more graphics cards the older architecture is left sitting in the dust on anything smaller than a 28" ultrahigh res monitor (2560x1600 or more, large 1080p "monitors" are actually much lower res) where the video cards, rather than the CPU, become the bottleneck. (there is an article right here on toms that proves this point)

Or you could just figure out what the problem is with your existing computer, because there's not much you are apparently doing that requires more than what you are using now.

September 5, 2009 4:34:44 AM

im lazy and didnt read any of the posts, but regarding the post's title, when you feel your computer is dragging you down then you need to upgrade, if you're happy with your current speed, stick with it and save some $$$$$$
October 7, 2009 11:07:18 PM

If I were in your situation, I would go the route of an AMD board. Here's a good one, it has a pretty good price, and includes somewhat reasonable integrated graphics (for your needs, should be fine, but you could always upgrade to dedicated graphics), along with the newer AM3 support:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for the processor, I would say either an AMD Phenom II X3 or an AMD Phenom II X4. I'm pretty sure both are at least under $200, but both of them may even be less than $150. In my opinion, these CPU's offer the best price-to-performance ratio.
October 7, 2009 11:14:16 PM

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