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Hi guys :) My first post so far, I really badly need help because everybody tells me something different. I don't really know much about that, so it might happen I write some BS here ;)

I want to assemble a 3D workstation and I have performance/money issue, better said a Xeon/Core i7 issue.
What shall it be: Core i7 965 4x3.2GHz @ 8 threads or 2x Xeon E5530 2.4 GHz @16 threads?
The cost would be approximately the same, Xeons might cause an extra cost of about 100€ more for the MoBo.

What do I need: fast frame rendering, not only animation (I could build a home render farm), but fast rendering of stills with lots of ray tracing used. I can use up to 8 threads (special build) for rendering an image, possibly even twice as much.
What would be great: if I could use some of the CPU power for other applications while doing rendering - digital painting, for example, so if one CPU with HT is maxed out, I could use some of the remaining threads. In case that works that way...

In the computer store, they tell me the 2 Xeon quads would smoke the i7 965 although they have "only" 2.4 GHz. But of course they want sell me something, so I really prefer to ask in a public forum.

I'll be going with 12GB ram (fluid sims need a lot) and probably a GeForce GTX 295 (can't afford highend there..)

PLease? :)

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The Extreme chips is honestly overpriced for what it is. You can easily OC the lowerend chips to the 3.2GHz speed.

Also, If your apps will use all cores of a dual Xeon 5530 systems, that is TOTALLY the way to go. Are your applications CPU intensive or are they GPU intensive? Maybe a single i 920 would be more economical and a HIGH end workstation card would be in order. Just throwing out ideas.

Reply to jay2tall

I'd go with the Xeon's but that's just me.

------------------------------ Core I7 920 D0 @ 4.2Ghz
MSI X58 Pro-E
32GB SSD, WD Blacks In R0
Sapphire HD 5870's In XFire
Reply to PsychoSaysDie

My applications are more CPU intensive for sure. I've heard (also from the computer store) that as long as the GPU supports CUDA it should be fine for GPU intensive applications. I also can upgrade the GPU more easily than the CPUs, to I personally wanted to go for higher end CPUs.

So you guys are sure that 2x 2.4 Xeon Quads are gonna blow an i7 for rendering? :) That'd been the path I'd have chosen anyway, but I 'd rather ask around a lot than sit on an overpriced piece of equipment that won't give optimal performance...

Reply to Corniger

Corniger wrote :

My applications are more CPU intensive for sure. I've heard (also from the computer store) that as long as the GPU supports CUDA it should be fine for GPU intensive applications. I also can upgrade the GPU more easily than the CPUs, to I personally wanted to go for higher end CPUs.

So you guys are sure that 2x 2.4 Xeon Quads are gonna blow an i7 for rendering? :) That'd been the path I'd have chosen anyway, but I 'd rather ask around a lot than sit on an overpriced piece of equipment that won't give optimal performance...




Those Xeon's are I7's anyway so you'll be fine. I want to see how 16 HT's perform. :lol:

------------------------------ Core I7 920 D0 @ 4.2Ghz
MSI X58 Pro-E
32GB SSD, WD Blacks In R0
Sapphire HD 5870's In XFire
Reply to PsychoSaysDie

They are, I know, but 2.4vs 3.2GHz... I don't know. But that's why I'm here :) I have a feeling I want the Xeons. Others said I should get i7 920, but all no hardware cracks! Same price, more power - no decision problem :)

Reply to Corniger

Corniger wrote :

They are, I know, but 2.4vs 3.2GHz... I don't know. But that's why I'm here :) I have a feeling I want the Xeons. Others said I should get i7 920, but all no hardware cracks! Same price, more power - no decision problem :)




Corn,

I'm thinking of building a new Xeon workstation also but just with cheaper Xeon's and no HT's. Here's how i think about it. The I7 is a part time 8 core processor with 8 HT core's. A dual Xeon is a full time 8 core system and in your case will have 16HT cores. There is no doubt the dual Xeon will whip the I7's ass. :lol:

------------------------------ Core I7 920 D0 @ 4.2Ghz
MSI X58 Pro-E
32GB SSD, WD Blacks In R0
Sapphire HD 5870's In XFire
Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Good... I was quite worried because all the new 3d workstations coming out have the i7 965 built in :-( but I figure this is to keep them affordable. They all feature at least an Ati Fire Pro for 1100€ if not a 2500€ Nvidia. So there are no concerns, anybody?
Damn, I'll be happy to get rid of that Athlon 6400 :)

Reply to Corniger

Corniger wrote :

Good... I was quite worried because all the new 3d workstations coming out have the i7 965 built in :-( but I figure this is to keep them affordable. They all feature at least an Ati Fire Pro for 1100€ if not a 2500€ Nvidia. So there are no concerns, anybody?
Damn, I'll be happy to get rid of that Athlon 6400 :)



Make sure you post pics and run benchmarks after you build it. What board are you considering? I know newegg has an Asus dual Xeon board for 224 if i'm not mistaken that is an ATX style so it'll fit in ANY modern case.

------------------------------ Core I7 920 D0 @ 4.2Ghz
MSI X58 Pro-E
32GB SSD, WD Blacks In R0
Sapphire HD 5870's In XFire
Reply to PsychoSaysDie

Well, I haven't yet considered a board as I'm not, or warsn't yet sure about the CPU, but I guess an Asus never goes wrong...is it possible/wise to OC Xeons? I never ever in 20 years OCed ANYTHING. I guess that will make decisions about the board easIer. Any recommendations?:)
Thanks for you help!!

Reply to Corniger

Corniger wrote :

Well, I haven't yet considered a board as I'm not, or warsn't yet sure about the CPU, but I guess an Asus never goes wrong...is it possible/wise to OC Xeons? I never ever in 20 years OCed ANYTHING. I guess that will make decisions about the board easIer. Any recommendations?:)
Thanks for you help!!




All honesty bro asus doesn't even have that board up on there website so i'm not sure about overclocking. I'm HOPING it'll have some sort of ability. Dual 3Ghz+ Xeon's with 6GB in Tri would be SICK

------------------------------ Core I7 920 D0 @ 4.2Ghz
MSI X58 Pro-E
32GB SSD, WD Blacks In R0
Sapphire HD 5870's In XFire
Reply to PsychoSaysDie

12 Gb in Tri :) So I'll best ask Asus then...?

Reply to Corniger

If it will use all cores, the no question the dual Xeon will blast the 965 away

Reply to jay2tall

One more question to ask: would the 5550 at 2.66(?)GHz be worth shelling out another 400€ compared to the 5530? I.ve had an X2 maximum, so I don't know to which extent the 2 quad's GHz would add up. Would that be just a LITTLE faster or make a real difference for rendering 3d?
Thanks, guys :)

Reply to Corniger

^No. It won't make too much of a gain compared to the price of the 5550.

 

Also if you are doing 3D rendering you WILL benefit from a workstation graphics card over a gaming card. If you can find an old 8800 you could softmod it and it should be better than the gaming cards for 3D renderings.


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Reply to Shadow703793

Hey Corn,
can you post your build details and how its working out for ya?

Reply to sridharrreddy

Sorry, not yet - I got pummeled by a few major bills, so no new workstation yet :( I will post once I'm there, as lately the AMD 8-cores have been released the whole thing might get a new face after all....

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