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The EU find Intel Guilty as charged!! Justice over Evil!! (Celebrate)

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May 14, 2009 12:28:13 PM

It looks like after a long Anti-trust Case.....The EU have found Intel Guilty. AMD have been the innovators....but suffered huge financial damages because of Evil Intels Evil business practices. I have felt strongly about this....I was so happy when I heard this I actually shed a tear. I feel so emotional that AMD has the Justice they deserve!!

I was right from the start....Evil never wins....The Evil smile wiped off of Intels face

Article Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a22...

Artice Quotes:

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May 13 (Bloomberg) -- European Union regulators levied a record 1.06 billion-euro ($1.45 billion) fine against Intel Corp., the world’s biggest computer-chip maker, and ordered the company to stop using illegal rebates to thwart competitors.


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The 1.06 billion-euro fine is the highest issued by the EU, surpassing an 896 million euro fine against Cie. de Saint-Gobain SA in a cartel case in November. The 497 million-euro penalty against Microsoft came in an abuse-of-dominance case, the same cause of action as the EU’s case against Intel


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The EU regulator said Intel’s unlawful practices must stop immediately and that it would “actively monitor Intel’s compliance with this decision.”


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Giuliano Meroni, president of AMD’s European unit, said in a statement that the decision “will shift the power from an abusive monopolist to computer makers, retailers and above all PC consumers.”


Lets all celebrate this! Justice feels good! Party Time!!!!

Intels Evil!!

I'm Thunderman the unofficial AMD leader!!

AMD4Life!!
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May 14, 2009 12:41:55 PM

BM your a bit late ... post in the other thread mate !!
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May 14, 2009 4:08:09 PM

Only catch is this effects AMD in absolutely no way because the EU will be keeping the money for themselves.
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May 14, 2009 4:11:50 PM

thunderman said:
It looks like after a long Anti-trust Case.....The EU have found Intel Guilty. AMD have been the innovators....but suffered huge financial damages because of Evil Intels Evil business practices. I have felt strongly about this....I was so happy when I heard this I actually shed a tear. I feel so emotional that AMD has the Justice they deserve!!

I was right from the start....Evil never wins....The Evil smile wiped off of Intels face

Article Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a22...

Artice Quotes:

Quote:
May 13 (Bloomberg) -- European Union regulators levied a record 1.06 billion-euro ($1.45 billion) fine against Intel Corp., the world’s biggest computer-chip maker, and ordered the company to stop using illegal rebates to thwart competitors.


Quote:
The 1.06 billion-euro fine is the highest issued by the EU, surpassing an 896 million euro fine against Cie. de Saint-Gobain SA in a cartel case in November. The 497 million-euro penalty against Microsoft came in an abuse-of-dominance case, the same cause of action as the EU’s case against Intel


Quote:
The EU regulator said Intel’s unlawful practices must stop immediately and that it would “actively monitor Intel’s compliance with this decision.”


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Giuliano Meroni, president of AMD’s European unit, said in a statement that the decision “will shift the power from an abusive monopolist to computer makers, retailers and above all PC consumers.”


Lets all celebrate this! Justice feels good! Party Time!!!!

Intels Evil!!

I'm Thunderman the unofficial AMD leader!!

AMD4Life!!


AMD-getalife more like..

Intel can afford it..

Thanks thunderman, gives me the reason to sell another 4 intel processors. AMD will have a lawsuit soon and youll be the reason behind it.. :) 
May 14, 2009 4:31:26 PM

The only way this effects AMD will be if Intel raises its prices, which is unlikely at this point, but possibly down the road. And thats if AMD truly has a top competing line up of chips, and then only, where by then if Intel does raise its prices, so too can AMD
May 14, 2009 5:33:37 PM

I love stuff like this - it brings out all the fan-boy mentalists on both sides....

All I'm going to admit to is not having a clue about anti-competition rules.... If coke are allowed to offer financial incentives for exclusivity in retail outlets (how many places apart from supermarkets do you see Coke AND Pepsi side-by-side) why cant intel do the same for computer manufacturers?

Bizaare.... If you are going to live with capatilism - let it run its course, if not we should all go communist.
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May 14, 2009 6:04:28 PM

Hellboy said:
Intel can afford it...


I can afford the speeding ticket and subsequent increase in insurance rates but that's no justification for driving over the speed limit and doesn't change the fact that speeding is illegal; which is really the point here, that what Intel did was ILLEGAL!

This is the 3rd judgement against Intel regarding their anti-competitive business practices and a win for the consumer. This judgement will fuel the DOJ's and the AG of NY investigations into Intel's practices and pricing schemes.

In the current environment of corporate greed and poor business practices it is a shame that the only penalty is a fine.
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May 14, 2009 6:20:11 PM

will_chellam said:


All I'm going to admit to is not having a clue about anti-competition rules.... If coke are allowed to offer financial incentives for exclusivity in retail outlets (how many places apart from supermarkets do you see Coke AND Pepsi side-by-side) why cant intel do the same for computer manufacturers?

Bizaare.... If you are going to live with capatilism - let it run its course, if not we should all go communist.


Negotiating exclusivity as part of a contract is one thing but paying, incenting, or penalizing companies to not sell a competitor's product is another thing altogether.

But hey! If some nancy-boys can't stand a little anti-competitive business practices and would rather play by the rules, then heck yeah, let's all go commie!

May 14, 2009 10:14:04 PM

Id point out that both Coke and Pepsi negotiate deals, to schools, and other businesses, thats the law, it has to be allowed. Its pointed out AMD tried almost giving away their chips, and was still refused, thats the opposite of the above.
In of itself, denying AMD the right to sell to a certain vendor is ultimately the vendors right to refuse, its gets touchy when Intel has such a huge market share
May 14, 2009 10:33:21 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Id point out that both Coke and Pepsi negotiate deals, to schools, and other businesses, thats the law, it has to be allowed. Its pointed out AMD tried almost giving away their chips, and was still refused, thats the opposite of the above.
In of itself, denying AMD the right to sell to a certain vendor is ultimately the vendors right to refuse, its gets touchy when Intel has such a huge market share


Intel gives rebates for vendors to use their chips, fine. That's great for them.

Intel pays vendors to delay or cancel AMD-using products. Now that's ILLEGAL marketing. They are preventing AMD from increasing market share. Due to them being much bigger and the only other real company in the home PC CPU business, they are effectively creating a monopoly for themselves by using their better finances to undercut their competition through bribing vendors, that is illegal.
May 14, 2009 10:57:57 PM

Im just staving off all the rebutals Ive seen on this. My favorite flawed logic defense of InteL The EU's supposed greed. When someone says "the EU is greedy, especially in this economic climate", thing is, how old is this lawsuit? Did the EU know things would be tough now?
To me, theres no excuse for these (Intels) actions. People handing out excuses here about this are blinded.
Another is "they all do it, so..." ,using that faulty logic means nothing more than since enough people steal, we should all steal. Same I hear about pirating.
May 14, 2009 10:59:24 PM

You are all giving thunderman what he wants...
May 14, 2009 11:10:10 PM

*** ed *** ing *** yourself.
May 14, 2009 11:12:39 PM

djcoolmasterx said:
You are all giving thunderman what he wants...

"And thats if AMD truly has a top competing line up of chips, and then only, "
from my earlier post. Not completely giving in, but being unbiased
May 14, 2009 11:15:52 PM

Argue about this as much as you like, just not in threads started by thunderman.

He's a hit an run troll, he gets his kicks from seeing arguements sparked from the threads he starts.
May 14, 2009 11:19:34 PM

Maybe so. But to ignore a thunderpants post is somewhat sacrilegious isnt it?
May 14, 2009 11:30:30 PM

*Does happy dance*


Grow up dj, thunderpantz is fun
May 14, 2009 11:31:35 PM

B-Unit said:
*Does happy dance*


Grow up dj, thunderpantz is fun


We do not negotiate with trollerists.
May 15, 2009 12:24:30 AM

^+1 cuz I LOLed
May 15, 2009 12:39:30 AM

Wow who would have thought that intel were sly pricks... oh wait we all knew that already now here proof
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June 17, 2009 10:28:57 AM

What a bunch of crock! First of all if AMD can come out with a chipset that is actually good then they might have a competitive move in the market. I dont disagree with what Intel is doing its a good strong product, I mean do you see an Apple product support Intel? Intel is the most stable and reliable chip over AMD. And I know I buy about 12-15 personal computers a year and give them away after testing and most of the AMD systems are shytt after 2 years.

I think that this is only going to make the market in Europe harder to get good quality products like in the US. For example that is the reason you dont see the high end Toshiba and Sony computers for sale in Europe because Japan does not want any involvement with the EU.

It brings a tear to my eye that I have to fly back to the USA every other month just to pick up computers and electrical equipment because its so god dam unreasonably taxed and over priced in the EU.
June 17, 2009 12:32:27 PM

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What a bunch of crock! First of all if AMD can come out with a chipset that is actually good then they might have a competitive move in the market. I dont disagree with what Intel is doing its a good strong product, I mean do you see an Apple product support Intel? Intel is the most stable and reliable chip over AMD. And I know I buy about 12-15 personal computers a year and give them away after testing and most of the AMD systems are shytt after 2 years.


Huh? 2 years? I have an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.8GHz that is still kickin along on Windows 98SE just fine as a control PC for my routers.

You must be getting some really bad chips.

I think that this is only going to make the market in Europe harder to get good quality products like in the US. For example that is the reason you dont see the high end Toshiba and Sony computers for sale in Europe because Japan does not want any involvement with the EU. said:
I think that this is only going to make the market in Europe harder to get good quality products like in the US. For example that is the reason you dont see the high end Toshiba and Sony computers for sale in Europe because Japan does not want any involvement with the EU.


Harder to get good quality products like in the US? Have you been to Newegg.com? :lol: 

It brings a tear to my eye that I have to fly back to the USA every other month just to pick up computers and electrical equipment because its so god dam unreasonably taxed and over priced in the EU. said:
It brings a tear to my eye that I have to fly back to the USA every other month just to pick up computers and electrical equipment because its so god dam unreasonably taxed and over priced in the EU.


Then the issue with parts isn't people not wanting any involvement with the EU. It has to do with the VATs and what not?


To quote Vinny Barbarino:

"I'm so confused..."
June 17, 2009 4:28:06 PM

Intels TMan equivalent?
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June 17, 2009 6:02:25 PM

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What a bunch of crock! First of all if AMD can come out with a chipset that is actually good then they might have a competitive move in the market. I dont disagree with what Intel is doing its a good strong product, I mean do you see an Apple product support Intel? Intel is the most stable and reliable chip over AMD. And I know I buy about 12-15 personal computers a year and give them away after testing and most of the AMD systems are shytt after 2 years.

I think that this is only going to make the market in Europe harder to get good quality products like in the US. For example that is the reason you dont see the high end Toshiba and Sony computers for sale in Europe because Japan does not want any involvement with the EU.

It brings a tear to my eye that I have to fly back to the USA every other month just to pick up computers and electrical equipment because its so god dam unreasonably taxed and over priced in the EU.



The reason AMD based machines are crap after two years are proberly down to the nvidia chipsets which have always been crappy compared to intels offerings and that goes for early ATI chipsets too.
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June 18, 2009 5:36:54 AM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
... The EU's supposed greed.

Supposed? If they weren't so greedy, they would have awarded, oh say, half of the fine to AMD as damages.


June 18, 2009 5:41:58 AM

Thats true, in mine and your thinking. Its just that people have twisted it to mean thats the only reason for the findings, and tat Intel really didnt do anything wrong
June 18, 2009 5:45:31 AM

Its been my experience to never allow politics into anything, or a lil as possible, be it business, purchasing or whether you have your lake regulated etc.
Intel allowed it in by doing what they did, and so the consequences
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June 18, 2009 8:05:06 AM


Tesco and Asda ( your Walmart ) have been successfully shutting down small shops over here and they havent been fined and now they are going in to banking. Intel didnt shut down AMD.

But they didnt get fined..


Intel was only protecting its business model by giving offers to pc manufacturers which was seemed anti competitive.

If this was a fine it wasnt for the sake of AMD was it. It was for the burocrats in europe.

Tesco and etal are guilty of a lot more than Intel but Intel gets a fine of 1 Billion dollars because of europe running out of money because the politicians are sucking cash through their back sides.

Some of these politicians are getting not one pension but 3 x £150,000 pensions on top of their £1m salary. This is obscene considering they are mucking up europe and indivual contries as a whole.

As of now we are only just beginning to see how corrupt people are. Im not saying it didnt exist but not to the level we are starting to hear about.

Intel in my eyes have done nothing really wrong, Dell was Intels partner and still is. AMD screamed because they werent getting a look in. AMD have always been second best, they were first for a while - liked the taste of it but got lazy whilst Intel licked their wounds with the Prescott and made the C2D secretly in labs in Israel.

AMD were just as bad when they sold the AMD 64 at a over inflated price and now they scream like a little girl when their fincancial affairs are their own fault. Hector Ruiz is responsible for what happend, no one else. He bought 50 houses and could only pay for 5 when it got tough.

AMD need to accept second place and work on that. They will never be number 1. When they have build enough cash up then market it as you advertising budget will increase.. Intel do market things much better than AMD. AMD need to learn from this.
June 18, 2009 10:12:55 AM

AMD is getting better. Theyve learned (basically from ATI, and Wavy Davy Baumann) how to surprise at launch, how to use extra promotions that people actually care about, and theyve gotten rid of Ruin(Z).
Remember, the fine was small in Japan, no greed there and Intel is innocent? And Korea as well?
No, Intel has been found guilty in three areas of the world, 2 of which doesnt fit the "Intel is innocent, and the (named government) is just greedy" shtick.
Like any true lawsuit/case, wheres the motive for the other 2? It just doesnt fly this EU is greedy thing. On its own, yes, itd have some plausibility, but considering the other 2 cases, it falls flat.
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June 18, 2009 10:58:10 AM

thunderman said:
It looks like after a long Anti-trust Case.....The EU have found Intel Guilty. AMD have been the innovators....but suffered huge financial damages because of Evil Intels Evil business practices. I have felt strongly about this....I was so happy when I heard this I actually shed a tear. I feel so emotional that AMD has the Justice they deserve!!

Intels Evil!!

I'm Thunderman the unofficial AMD leader!!

AMD4Life!!


Yes Sir!

Everyone hates evil pushpins :) 
June 18, 2009 11:04:38 AM

You calling Intel fans evile pushpins?
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June 18, 2009 11:18:21 AM

I wonder what'd happen if AMD had an anti-pushpin cult...
June 18, 2009 11:33:33 AM

Whats the secret code for it? No sore thumbs?
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June 18, 2009 11:41:15 AM

Well... they need Apple-ish marketing as a start.
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June 18, 2009 11:54:19 AM

And here I was thinking thunderpants had come back to us.
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June 18, 2009 7:55:13 PM

randomizer said:
And here I was thinking thunderpants had come back to us.


No such luck, or misfortune, depending on your POV.

Thunderpant's schtick is getting a bit long in the tooth - time for a new act! Personally I prefer the guy who did the fake Steve Jobs blog, maybe he's available now that he's abandoned FSJ...

I see the EC now wants to fine MS again, despite MS not including any browser in Win7. Seems pretty obvious by now that their primary mission is just to suck $$ out of US companies. The US gov't should seriously consider returning the favor and up the import duties..
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June 18, 2009 8:05:15 PM

will_chellam said:
I love stuff like this - it brings out all the fan-boy mentalists on both sides....

All I'm going to admit to is not having a clue about anti-competition rules.... If coke are allowed to offer financial incentives for exclusivity in retail outlets (how many places apart from supermarkets do you see Coke AND Pepsi side-by-side) why cant intel do the same for computer manufacturers?

Bizaare.... If you are going to live with capatilism - let it run its course, if not we should all go communist.


I 100000000000000% AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, EUROPE IS A CORRUPT SOCIALISTIC TERMITE WHOLE.

-ON A SIDE NOTE, ALL OF THIS IS COMING TO AMERICAN IMMINENTLY! :( 
June 18, 2009 8:39:54 PM

I'm socialist, and from the US.

But at least I can use the words I want, because I know termites make "holes."
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June 18, 2009 9:26:56 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
I 100000000000000% AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY, EUROPE IS A CORRUPT SOCIALISTIC TERMITE WHOLE.

-ON A SIDE NOTE, ALL OF THIS IS COMING TO AMERICAN IMMINENTLY! :( 





Its been in America for a long time - remember Watergate Scandle, JFK etc etc ..


Every where is corrupt your politicians do it differently.
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June 18, 2009 10:23:41 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
AMD is getting better. Theyve learned (basically from ATI, and Wavy Davy Baumann) how to surprise at launch, how to use extra promotions that people actually care about, and theyve gotten rid of Ruin(Z).
Remember, the fine was small in Japan, no greed there and Intel is innocent? And Korea as well?
No, Intel has been found guilty in three areas of the world, 2 of which doesnt fit the "Intel is innocent, and the (named government) is just greedy" shtick.
Like any true lawsuit/case, wheres the motive for the other 2? It just doesnt fly this EU is greedy thing. On its own, yes, itd have some plausibility, but considering the other 2 cases, it falls flat.



Agreed, but then again ATI could learn from Nvidia's marketting

I mean the TWIWMTBP or works better on nvidia is a good marketting ploy which ATI should have picked up on...


I have always prefered Nvidia due to the better drivers it has always produced compared to ATI's efforts.

Its no good having the fastest car on the street if you cant take it round corners it doesnt matter what happens
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June 18, 2009 10:39:03 PM

Dekasav said:
I'm socialist, and from the US.

But at least I can use the words I want, because I know termites make "holes."


You are a socialist? Well then I am sorry then you are stupid, go be a dumb liberal and worship your stupid corrupt god (U.S president).

Helloboy: I agree america is corrupt also, but it used to be good capitalism or "better" now we are starting to turn into i dont know what but something soviet-like and something bad.
June 19, 2009 12:42:40 AM

It used to be, there was really no power to the people in the workplace. People fought hard for unions, safe working conditions etc. The left fell in here.
Since that time, business thrived, and soon, became an exporter of business itself, and jobs were exported away, both left and right fell in here.
The leaders on the left championed illegal immigrant rights, womens rights, gay rights, and stuck them in the workplace, the military and everywhere else.
The leaders on the right continued their exportation of jobs, thus losing its base, instead of taking care of business at home.
Since the most radical of both sides have mainly driven these actions, theres been no parity, common sense has been left along the way, and we have a system (socially,economically and morally) thats corrupted our intrinsic values that seperated the US from most of the rest of the world.
When we have TV aghast about someone stealing public property that was historically well known, and delving on it, while in the meantime, thousands of private institutions,individuals etc were all stolen from in the same day, weve completely turned it upside down.
Take care of the Joe at home first, and youll see him doing much more to make sure the public items are secured. Take care of the Joe at home, and his/her rights, when he/she has voted for no gay marraige, or wants something done about crime, or keeping jobs in his locale.
The zealots are running things, whether its business, or politics, and we only have ourselves to blame. I say, quit listening to them,period. Time to go back, in some regards. Fire, vote out and dont watch, support or any other method of kindrance given to these zealots, and let good common sense prevail
June 19, 2009 12:50:58 AM

Example of firing. GE has sold, and continues to sell to Iran. Ban their products. Write letters. The CEO will soon be gone.
Its no wonder newspapers and national TV have dropped in popularity. Sure, we can blame the net, but a good read is still a good read. But they too have been taken over by the zealots. Whens the last time you saw a movie that didnt include the big bad monied businessman, taking advantage of someone? Or, the evil conservative politician doing something horrific? Or, either of the two somehow going out of their way to destroy our planet, whether its global warming, pollution or destroying our natural resources?
The left has control of the media, the right, business, and were stuck in between. We need to champion those who do the right thing, and put them in the right spot
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June 19, 2009 1:39:54 AM

^1...the whole problem is the that the left have control of the media, they are brainwashing americans like mindless goats...the left is whats causing 99% of all our problems, if the left were eliminated, sure there would be problems, but much less in that case. The left is whos evil, the left is who is stupid, the left is who doesn't understand how horrificly of a failure is the government they are trying to create...its all the left, they are the real problem, and as I mentioned, they are like termites and what do you need to rid of termites??? pesticide...and thats what we need because these termites are starting to invade...
June 19, 2009 2:01:18 AM

Problem is, without the left, theres stagnation. The right hasnt lived up to its potential either. If they were really concerned with the little guy, and capitolism in general, they would never have allowed the greed weve seen, thats caused alot of the current economic mess, as theyre greedy too, and the greedy ones thats put them in power pull their strings as well.
Thats why I say, we need to truly go back, and find true chamions of the people, and not have that champion characterized by the left, as is commonly done, where they may throw some crumbs at average Joe, and in the meantime, undermine him, by ignoring his vote on , say, gay marraige as an example. Or illegal immigrants. When they start doing thism theyre getting huge voting blocks for support, and supposedly appeasing average Joe in the process, but in the larger picture, are corrupting the traditional US way of life, which was/is, God first, family second, and good will to all, with equal rights. Not special rights. Not being employed and having the government overseeing whether youve had sexual bias class, thats been approved by said government etc from your employer. Or not making exceptions just because of your sexual preferences. Those are Joes things, not the governments things, and should be honored and left alone, and if something does happen which breaks the law of equality, it should be dealt with, by a government that considers public proerty over private property, and therein lies the problem
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June 19, 2009 2:32:22 AM

Your politicians need to go and read the constitution again. Everything on top of it is political BS.
June 19, 2009 3:26:00 AM

Notice I said sexual bias class, instead of sexual harassment class? By stating bias instead of harassment means alot, and theres a reason why its called harassment instead of bias.
Using the term bias includes all people of all walks and both sexes. Using harassment mainly infers the protection of females, and males need not apply.
Why is this important? this distinction? The people (zealots) that came up with the term sexual harassment, use it to better their cause, getting huge female support. If it were bias, it would imply either or both ways, as does sometimes happen. That in itself wouldnt carry the weight of their cause theyd need. And why have classes, and whole depts of government to oversee these things? Why not just put em in court? Could it be, that the government is made mostly up by lawyers, and seeking a true judgement in a sexual harassment case isnt either easy, nor profitible.
When the consitution was penned, if you called someone a lawyer then, youd most likely end up in a duel, with pistols
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