Built (was: Placing Order Monday - Final Advice Please)

Ok .. got the money ready .. just getting last minute feedback before I place the order ..

Resolution: 1680x1050
Primary Use: Gaming (Warhammer Online with FRAPS)
Secondary: Music Production (Sonar 7 Producer)
Also: Software Development (Visual Studio), Minor Video Editing (the files from FRAPS mostly)

$59.95 CASE - Antec 300
134.99 MOBO - Gigabyte GA-EP45
188.99 CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8500
36.99 COOLER Xigmatech 120mm Rifle Cooler
9.49 BRACKET Xigmatech ACK-I7551
159.98 RAM - 2x4GB (4x2GB) G.Skill DDR2 1100
224.99 GPU - Sapphire Radeon HD 4870
109.99 PSU - PC Power & Cooling 750w
79.99 HARD DRIVE - Western Digital Caviar 640GB
29.99 OPTICAL DRIVE - HP DVD Burner SATA
99.99 O/S Microsoft Vista Home Premium 64-bit
81.99 INPUT Logitech G13 Gameboard
5.99 OTHER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

$1211.32 TOTAL

If I feel like I can sneak the extra $$ past my wife, I might change the case to the CoolerMaster Storm Sniper. That's the sexiest case I've seen in a long time .. but worth $120 more? Probably not.

Thanks in advance for any advice,
CF
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  1. 8 gig of RAM isnt worth the cost .

    Someone published a link here a few days ago that showed 8 gig slowing game performance in more games than it helped . Sorry i didnt save the link .

    That could help buying the case ....

    So could buying an e8400 and overclocking it back to e8500 speeds or greater . NO problem to do this since they are the eaxact same thing anyway
  2. I have no doubt that you are correct about 8GB RAM being overkill for games, but it should be pretty helpful with the music.

    If I'm overclocking anyway .. can I get the 8500 faster than I can get the 8400?

    In another forum it was strongly suggested that I get a 2nd drive to isolate the music/video from the O/S, so that might raise the price slightly.
  3. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 $79.99
    COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

    By looking at that mobo you chose, I'm guessing you plan on running crossfire eventually. Room......that Antec from what I have read is going to be very cramped for room with crossfire. You may want to take a look at this case here. Room, and airflow...especially when running big vid cards.

    On another note, seeing how you plan on overclocking .... +1 to the poster who mentioned the E8400. Price and performance.
  4. The price difference between the E8400 and E8500 seems so small :(

    I was definitely thinking that if I increase my resolution at some point that I'd want to crossfire. I didn't realize that the Three Hundred was so tight to work in. Making me think pretty seriously about that CoolerMaster Storm Sniper!
  5. Quote:
    You may want to look at that motherboard again. Because i noticed it only had PCI x8 slots as apposed to x16 which i would reccomend especialy if you are planning on doing SLI or crossfire down the road.i would take a look at the Nvidia 750 i SlI motherboard.
    here is a link to that.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188026


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136054 $199.99
    DFI LP DK X48-T2RSB PLUS LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
  6. Why_Me said:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136054 $199.99
    DFI LP DK X48-T2RSB PLUS LGA 775 Intel X48 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail


    I wouldn't recommend a DFI board unless you're a hardcore OCer.
  7. controlfreak said:
    The price difference between the E8400 and E8500 seems so small :(

    I was definitely thinking that if I increase my resolution at some point that I'd want to crossfire. I didn't realize that the Three Hundred was so tight to work in. Making me think pretty seriously about that CoolerMaster Storm Sniper!


    Could get the HD4850x2 for about the same price as the 4870.
  8. Quote:
    yeah if you are dedicated to radeon then that would be a better idea definetly


    Well, there's nothing from Nvidia that's anywhere close to as good a deal as that.
  9. Not married to G.Skill at all .. was going with the recommendations in this forum.

    Changing my RAM to:

    CORSAIR 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 for $99.98
  10. theAnimal said:
    Well, there's nothing from Nvidia that's anywhere close to as good a deal as that.



    My guess is Nvidea charges a few more dollars for their cards for the fact they take that extra money and make drivers that actually work. :p Of course I could be wrong.......
  11. I was originally going to get the 4850x2 and was steered away from it. I was told that because of limited vendor support I might have issues getting drivers in the future, and therefore it was better to get 1 4870 and if I want to go higher res in the future just xfire in a 2nd one.
  12. controlfreak said:
    Not married to G.Skill at all .. was going with the recommendations in this forum.

    Changing my RAM to:

    CORSAIR 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 for $99.98


    Unless your going for a mild overclock, more than likely that ram is going to hold back your cpu when you go to overclock it. You might want to take a look at the Gskill Black or some mushkin. Both have great ram (latency 4) with good timings and low voltage. Which means you can crank it up along with your cpu.
  13. Quote:
    yeahh that ram is good for overclocking.
    wait you are planning to overclock right? If so how much?

    I'm planning to overclock as high as my limited skills take me ;)
  14. controlfreak said:
    I was originally going to get the 4850x2 and was steered away from it. I was told that because of limited vendor support I might have issues getting drivers in the future, and therefore it was better to get 1 4870 and if I want to go higher res in the future just xfire in a 2nd one.


    It's the same drivers whether you go with an x2 card or 2 cards in Crossfire. And the driver support will not end if the card is no longer being made; my old 9500Pro is still supported.
  15. Why_Me said:
    My guess is Nvidea charges a few more dollars for their cards for the fact they take that extra money and make drivers that actually work. :p Of course I could be wrong.......


    I've never had issues with either company's drivers.
  16. this is from my original thread on this system:

    Mrbumbum said:
    I would get the 4870 1gb, I suspect driver support for the 4850 x2 will not be soo good in the future, only one company is making the card currently. One 4870 1gb will serve a 20" monitor well and later on you can crossfire them because the 750 by pc power & cooling or corsair will handle 4870 crossfire fine.


    It was based on that post that I changed to the 4870 1GB
  17. Quote:
    I would change your CPU cooler here is somthing someone else said about the one you are planning to get.
    44C is horrible that is like the stock heat sink. look into the "sunbeam core contact freezer" its only $30 and it cools as good as a $70 heatsink. look it up.

    "i currently have the title cpu heatsink (XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler) in my build right now and im getting really hot core temps. I run the e8500 and am getting an load temp of usually around 44C i dont have it OC'ed at all."


    The Sunbeam is also a good cooler, but 44C at load is not hot (and also meaningless without knowing ambient).
  18. Changing case to:

    COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KKN1-GP Black $179.99

    Yeah .. I know it's too expensive .. but it's such a cool case!
  19. controlfreak said:
    Changing case to:

    COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper SGC-6000-KKN1-GP Black $179.99

    Yeah .. I know it's too expensive .. but it's such a cool case!


    First time I have seen that case...nice looking. :) It sure has all the bells and whistles, yet it's not one of these guady looking cases with the side windows and neon lights.

    Nice case you chose!
  20. LOL .. that's one funky looking case!

    I think that might be a little extreme looking for me. I kinda like the sniper because there's no window and with the lights out to most people it would look kinda plain.

    Looking at the core contact now
  21. Changed to:

    Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120mm "Core Contact Freezer" $39.99

    Kept the Arctic Silver 5. Removed Xigmatech Cooler and Retention Bracket
  22. Total Price is now: $1,345.86
  23. Not to jack this thread...but when I was looking at those two cases you guys posted...the Cooler Master and the NZXT I came across a case just now...a Gigagbyte...and I think I'm going to order it when I get my tax refund. So this means this thread just cost me over a $130 :(...but on a good note...there's something about this Gigabtye case I like...it's like totally unigue looking.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233001 $129.99
    GIGABYTE 3D AURORA GZ-FSCA1-ANS Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
  24. controlfreak said:
    Ok .. got the money ready .. just getting last minute feedback before I place the order ..

    Resolution: 1680x1050
    Primary Use: Gaming (Warhammer Online with FRAPS)
    Secondary: Music Production (Sonar 7 Producer)
    Also: Software Development (Visual Studio), Minor Video Editing (the files from FRAPS mostly)

    $59.95 CASE - Antec 300
    134.99 MOBO - Gigabyte GA-EP45
    188.99 CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8500
    36.99 COOLER Xigmatech 120mm Rifle Cooler
    9.49 BRACKET Xigmatech ACK-I7551
    159.98 RAM - 2x4GB (4x2GB) G.Skill DDR2 1100
    224.99 GPU - Sapphire Radeon HD 4870
    109.99 PSU - PC Power & Cooling 750w
    79.99 HARD DRIVE - Western Digital Caviar 640GB
    29.99 OPTICAL DRIVE - HP DVD Burner SATA
    99.99 O/S Microsoft Vista Home Premium 64-bit
    81.99 INPUT Logitech G13 Gameboard
    5.99 OTHER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

    $1211.32 TOTAL

    If I feel like I can sneak the extra $$ past my wife, I might change the case to the CoolerMaster Storm Sniper. That's the sexiest case I've seen in a long time .. but worth $120 more? Probably not.

    Thanks in advance for any advice,
    CF



    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 194$ free shipping
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=q6600&x=0&y=0

    Cooler Master RC-690
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

    Cooler Master RC-590
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119152
  25. controlfreak said:
    Ok .. got the money ready .. just getting last minute feedback before I place the order ..

    Resolution: 1680x1050
    Primary Use: Gaming (Warhammer Online with FRAPS)
    Secondary: Music Production (Sonar 7 Producer)
    Also: Software Development (Visual Studio), Minor Video Editing (the files from FRAPS mostly)

    $59.95 CASE - Antec 300
    134.99 MOBO - Gigabyte GA-EP45
    188.99 CPU - Intel Core2Duo E8500
    36.99 COOLER Xigmatech 120mm Rifle Cooler
    9.49 BRACKET Xigmatech ACK-I7551
    159.98 RAM - 2x4GB (4x2GB) G.Skill DDR2 1100
    224.99 GPU - Sapphire Radeon HD 4870
    109.99 PSU - PC Power & Cooling 750w
    79.99 HARD DRIVE - Western Digital Caviar 640GB
    29.99 OPTICAL DRIVE - HP DVD Burner SATA
    99.99 O/S Microsoft Vista Home Premium 64-bit
    81.99 INPUT Logitech G13 Gameboard
    5.99 OTHER Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

    $1211.32 TOTAL

    If I feel like I can sneak the extra $$ past my wife, I might change the case to the CoolerMaster Storm Sniper. That's the sexiest case I've seen in a long time .. but worth $120 more? Probably not.

    Thanks in advance for any advice,
    CF



    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 194$ free shipping
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=q6600&x=0&y=0

    Cooler Master RC-690
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

    Cooler Master RC-590
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119152
  26. ourselfish said:


    The E8500 walks all over the Q6600 in gaming...that's at stock speeds. It gets even worse for the Q6600 when both cpu's are overclocked...so why would you post that quad?

    http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-1680x1050,818.html
  27. Why_Me said:
    The E8500 walks all over the Q6600 in gaming...that's at stock speeds. It gets even worse for the Q6600 when both cpu's are overclocked...so why would you post that quad?
    http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/Crysis-1680x1050,818.html


    -Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 $180.40 - 127.30
    -Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 $191.99 - 126.50

    .8 lol

    As a quad core it has more processing power for other options; other than just that ONE game. You have twice the cores and more L2 cache; +1/4 more memory that your CPU doesn't have to spend the time transferring data from the System RAM.

    Quote:
    10-21-2008 at 12:13:44 AM Quad Core vs. Dual Core
    Dual core CPUs have been around for some time and are everywhere now. Quads are a bit more recent. Which is right for you? It can depend on a few things.
    Firstly, most games and other major applications are not programmed to use quad cores. Efforts are being made to convince more gaming programmers to use multi-core programming. Intel and AMD are both concentrating more and more on multi-core processors. So, the shift is on towards quads and even more cores.

    The NUMBER of programs you run at the same time, as well as the nature of those programs, will dictate whether you need a quad core CPU today or not. You might mistakenly believe that you do not multi-task, all the while having 20 or more programs filling up that system tray and bogging down your computer.

    ... quad cores may well be the way to go. Certainly CAD, Photoshop, video editing, MS Flight Sim, and other programs are obvious programs that pretty much mandate the purchase of a quad core CPU, or even the more expensive Intel i7, which will eventually have as many as 8 cores, but for now is quad core.


    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/257075-31-guide-choosing-parts


    Be Reckless
  28. dont know if this has been suggested but i would say this video card instade casue its better than GTX 280 and cost the same as 4870 and has better proformace http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102813 the 4850 X2 for 224.99$$
  29. You have my opinion on the matter, choose carefully read more if you need to, be thoroughly informed and confident in all your decisions.

    "Our own heart, and not other men's opinions of us, form our true honor." ~Schiller
  30. I apologize for vanishing for a while .. it's Valentine's Day and my wife wanted to watch a movie.

    I'm reading everything posted since my last post.
  31. ITS A GOOD BUILD ALL IN ALL

    you may want to upgrade to the WD caviar black 750 GB

    Quote:
    Maximum external transfer rate 300MB/s
    Sustained data rate 145MB/s
    Average read seek time 4.2ms

    Spindle speed 7,200 RPM
    Available capacities 750GB, 1TB
    Cache size 32MB
    Platter size 334GB
    Idle power consumption 7.8W
    Read/write power consumption 8.4W
    Idle acoustics 24 dBA
    Seek acoustics 29-33 dBA
    Warranty length Five years


    http://techreport.com/articles.x/15363

    http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=456791
  32. When I switched from the 4850x2 to the 4870, the x2 was $299 vs 229 for the 70. I will probably switch back.

    As for the dual core vs quad core .. that's a rough one for me. Here's my desired situation on a given night:
    Warhammer Online
    FRAPS
    Ventrilo
    I'm not sure how much that benefits from Quad vs Dual. If it's going to benefit a lot from quad, then maybe I should really consider switching.

    When I'm doing music, it's going to be Sonar and some hosted VST's.

    The rest of what I do isn't very speed-intensive.
  33. LOL .. I just slammed the crap out of my price, so I'm dropping the Storm Sniper. Now I need to figure out a new case.

    Switched to the 750GB drives and the 4850x2, but I went with the 2GB version, which is 289.
  34. http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=456791

    Your getting 2 more cores, less physical demands on the silicon "switches", this is why OC'ing Intel is easier than OC'ing AMD.

    http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/why-amd-mhz-dont-equal-intel-mhz-20051215/
  35. Does anyone know of any problems with:

    Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer and Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P

    or

    Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer and Antec Three Hundred case?
  36. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=issues+Sunbeam+Core+Contact+Freezer+and+Gigabyte+GA-EP45-UD3P


    Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel ...
    GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail. Image Viewer .... using this board with an Antec 900 case and NeoPower 650 with no heat or low power issues. ... (Specifically, the Sunbeam Core-contact Freezer won't fit with the ...
    www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358&nm_mc=OTC-C173T&cm_mmc=OTC-C173T...GIGABYTE...

    Im guessing you have seen this before, or you wouldn't be asking, It appears that google took the screen shot, and then this post was edited out, I did a ctrl+f search in the first 10 or so posts, for you, nothing came up. IM guessing its an older post and it was voted "not helpful" If you want to play it safe there are alternatives that are just as good. My personal favorite:

    Gemin II S 120MM fan $30

    It can be outfitted with two smaller fans, It will also cool your PCI HUB, and DIMMS
    my favorite feature is the aluminum fins connecting with the base.

    Basing cooling ability on the Cooler Master TX2 review, this seem to be a later model-
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-cooler-charts-2008-part-2,1782-6.html
    The Plastic Push pins have been replaced with screws and a backplate.

    Heres an actual review of the product
    http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2288


    Quote:
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Celcius - dBA
    Thermalright Ultra-120 12.4 53.7
    Sunbeamtech Core-Contact Freezer high 13.2 51.3
    SilenX iXtrema IXC-120HA2 high 14.1 52.9
    Xigmatek HDT-S1283 high 14.2 50.7
    Coolermaster Hyper Z600 15.1 47.7
    Coolink Silentator high 15.2 41.2 - great deal if you can find it...
    Scythe Mugen 15.3 46.0
    Zerotherm FZ120 high 15.5 47.6
    Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme 15.5 44.5
    OCZ Vendetta 2 high 15.7 41.9
    Xigmatek HDT-S983 high 15.9 52.7
    Xigmatek S1284 Achilles high 16.0 42.7
    3Rsystem Iceage 120 high 16.1 47.9
    Xigmatek HDT-SD964 high 16.3 57.2
    Zalman CNPS9700 LED high 16.5 56.5
    Zalman CNPS9700NT high 16.6 52.2
    Scythe Infinity SCINF-1000 16.7 37.8
    Tuniq Tower 120 high 16.9 51.6
    AVC Z7U7414001 (stock AM2) high 17.0 63.0
    Coolermaster Hyper 212 17.2 45.9
    Noctua NH-U12P high 17.3 40.7
    Noctua NH-U12 17.5 45.4
    Gigabyte GH-PCU23-VE high 17.5 65.6
    Thermalright Ultra-90 high 18.2 56.2
    Coolermaster GeminII S high 18.3 49.6


    You could chance-it; Id suggest buying a back up, if you need to return it, you have something to cool your CPU.
  37. I might as well look back at the Xigmatech S1253 again if I'm not going with the Sunbeam. Seems to be almost universally liked.
  38. its about 40 usd
  39. controlfreak said:
    LOL .. I just slammed the crap out of my price, so I'm dropping the Storm Sniper. Now I need to figure out a new case.

    Switched to the 750GB drives and the 4850x2, but I went with the 2GB version, which is 289.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 $79.99
    COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
  40. good choice that or the 590
  41. Good morning (afternoon)

    Here's where I am right now in my wishlist (I should just make it public for simplicity's sake)

    CASE: Antec Three Hundred - $59.95
    MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P - 134.99
    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz - 187.99
    COOLER: XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - 36.99
    - BRACKET: XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - 8.49
    MEMORY: CORSAIR 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) - 99.98
    GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4850 X2 2GB - 289.99
    HARD DRIVE(S): 2x Western Digital Caviar Black 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s - 179.98
    PSU: PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W - 99.99
    OPTICAL: HP 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA - 29.99
    O/S: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium - 99.99
    CONTROLLER: Logitech G13 - 81.99

    Total: $1,310.32
  42. The advice I'm getting from the Digital Audio people is to keep the O/S and audiovisual data on different drives.
  43. $$$ lol I always start a build at a $500
  44. 74 gb raptor for $60-70 used or Ebay.
    install the os then set it read only. Specifications:

    Quote:
    Maximum external transfer rate 150MB/s
    Maximum internal transfer rate 84MB/s 72MB/s
    Read seek time 4.6ms 4.5ms
    Write seek time 5.2ms 5.9ms

    Average rotational latency 2.99ms
    Spindle speed 10,000RPM
    Available capacities 150GB 74GB

    Cache size 16MB 8MB
    Platter size 75GB 37GB
    Idle acoustics 39dBA 32dBA
    Seek acoustics 46dBA 36dBA
    Idle power consumption 9.19W 8.40W
    Read/write power consumption 10.02W 7.90W
    Command queuing NCQ TCQ
    Warranty length Five years

    74 GB Raptor: NEW $99.98
  45. Quote:
    Unless you want to do Raid then i would go with the 1.5 TB drive. I heard it is wicked fast because the number of platters it has here is a link and it is only 130 right now on new egg.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337&Tpk=1.5tb


    Seagate is not a good idea right now.
  46. Quote:
    HELL NO!!! dont get a raptor.
    2nd yes they are the fastest SATA drives but who need to put the OS on that


    No. The new Velociraptor is faster and quieter.
  47. Just thought Id let you know, I have the same case and Processor as you are going to buy.The E8500 is an excellent choice ive been pleased with it.The coolermaster case , although looking very nice has a problem with the usb and other ports on the top of the case.It collects dust easily and is slightly awkward, but if your willing to put up with that it is a good case.
  48. Tim1981 said:
    Just thought Id let you know, I have the same case and Processor as you are going to buy.The E8500 is an excellent choice ive been pleased with it.The coolermaster case , although looking very nice has a problem with the usb and other ports on the top of the case.It collects dust easily and is slightly awkward, but if your willing to put up with that it is a good case.

    I've had to cut some costs and have gone back to the Antec Three Hundred.
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