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[Solved] [SOLVED!] Arctic Alumina on the CPU

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The story:

I asked a friend to bag some thermal grease while he was at the electronics shop. I hadn't any experience applying thermal grease before, so I assumed Arctic Silver's Arcitc Alumina was alright. After reading the provided instructions, I mixed it up and applied it to the CPU. The heat sink was loose, so the temperatures were sky high. Upon removing the heat sink I discovered that the Alumina wasn't eager to be cleaned off the CPU.

Now, I've applied Arctic Silver 5 on top of the Alumina that is still on the CPU and heat sink. In so far, this hasn't provided any problems, but I'm certainly considerate, and therefore wary, of the situation.


The questions:

1. I've accidentally applied Arctic Silver Arctic Alumina to my CPU. I'm now using Arctic Silver 5 on top of that. Temperatures are approximately 10°C higher. Should I be concerned?
2. What should (can) I do? Is there any way to non-destructively clean the Alumina from the CPU?

Any and all suggestions and ideas welcome! :hello:


Message edited by check on 05-30-2009 at 10:34:03 PM
???? Mixed up? Hate to burst your bubble my friend, but Ceramique is a single compound. If you had to mix it, either:
A) your friend and yourself got ripped off or...

 

B) you and your friend cant read

 

Either way, you didnt apply Arctic Silver Ceramique to your CPU. If there was mixing involved, you got a thermal adhesive, which is very bad news for your CPU.

 

EDIT: And your heatsink. Had you not separated them, there still might be a chance. At this point, your best option is to research 'CPU Lapping'. For safest results, I suggest reading http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ing-guides

 

Be certain to read my post, the guide has been changed since I used it. Also, there are several sources online that contradict some of the info in the original post. Take time to google and research the work required before you undertake lapping your setup.

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Theres some alcohol based cleaning stuff you can get that will remove it i just forget what it is called

Reply to rav3n
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???? Mixed up? Hate to burst your bubble my friend, but Ceramique is a single compound. If you had to mix it, either:
A) your friend and yourself got ripped off or...

 

B) you and your friend cant read

 

Either way, you didnt apply Arctic Silver Ceramique to your CPU. If there was mixing involved, you got a thermal adhesive, which is very bad news for your CPU.

 

EDIT: And your heatsink. Had you not separated them, there still might be a chance. At this point, your best option is to research 'CPU Lapping'. For safest results, I suggest reading http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/ [...] ing-guides

 

Be certain to read my post, the guide has been changed since I used it. Also, there are several sources online that contradict some of the info in the original post. Take time to google and research the work required before you undertake lapping your setup.


Message edited by B-Unit on 05-15-2009 at 08:40:48 AM
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Reply to B-Unit

Please tell me what you bought looks like this and only this: http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm

Reply to randomizer

I use Ceramique and theres no mixing. It comes in a litle syringe looking applicator and you just push it out. Also I'm sure it came with instructions that tell you how to remove it, if not (mine did) go to their website.

If the heatsink was loose, why didnt you just tighten it, why did you remove it and attempt to remove the ceramique??


Message edited by zipzoomflyhigh on 05-15-2009 at 02:27:00 PM
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Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

The simplest way to clean thermal compound is with isopropyl alcohol and pieces of clean paper coffee filter or an old lint free T-shirt.

I have used AS5 and Ceramique (not together) and I have seen little difference in temperatures.

And if the heatsink is loose, it wasn't installed properly.

Reply to jsc

^ +1, Use something like Isopropyl Alcohol to clean off the remaining thermal compound, I use the one with 99% alcohol in it.

Reply to AKM880

Nope! It was Arctic Alumina. The ceramic subtitle threw me off.

Thanks for the information on lapping, B-Unit.

Reply to check

The second is usually for things you want to stuck togather for ever.. for example if you have a heatsink for some old GPU that didn't have any "clip" to hold them off they use simular products as this(cheaper though). The way that the company says to remove this..if it's stuck(CPU+Heatsink).. put it in the fridge leave it for some minutes and try to remove it..

P.S. watch the pins if we are talking for a cpu with pins.

Reply to crackez

The second is usually for things you want to stuck togather for ever.. for example if you have a heatsink for some old GPU that didn't have any "clip" to hold them off they use simular products as this(cheaper though). The way that the company says to remove this(if I remember well which I'm pretty sure that I'm)..if it's stuck(CPU+Heatsink).. put it in the fridge leave it for some minutes and try to remove it..

P.S. watch the pins if we are talking for a cpu with pins, btw in the past.. more than hmm 8+ years I had the same issue with my brothers gpu heatsink, we want to remove it after we put that thermal compound but the freeze way that the company recommanded didn't work very well so I took my brain and did the exacly opposite. I put some heat to the heatsink and when it reached some serious temperature I remove it with force(and a towel so my hand didn't burn).. this way I can guarantee that it will work(it worked for me) BUT if you try that you need to be EXTRA carefull you can damage the cpu if you melt it :P ..it needs some experience heh

Reply to crackez

Quote from
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic [...] hesive.htm

" Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive IS NOT intended to be used between a CPU and the CPU heatsink.
On a CPU, only use Arctic Silver Thermal Compound or Arctic Alumina Thermal Compound."

You still have to clean off the old "thermal adhesive" before reapplying real thermal "compound", lol. You might want to get the 99% Isopropyl Alcohol. I usually just use soft paper towel, but the suggestion above for the clean paper coffee filter and an lint free t-shirt is a good method to use too.

Reply to AKM880

More than likely he will have to lap it off since its a permanent adhesive.

Goole Lapping. Its simple and effective.

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Reply to jimmysmitty

AKM880 wrote :

Quote from
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic [...] hesive.htm

" Arctic Alumina Thermal Adhesive IS NOT intended to be used between a CPU and the CPU heatsink.
On a CPU, only use Arctic Silver Thermal Compound or Arctic Alumina Thermal Compound."

You still have to clean off the old "thermal adhesive" before reapplying real thermal "compound", lol. You might want to get the 99% Isopropyl Alcohol. I usually just use soft paper towel, but the suggestion above for the clean paper coffee filter and an lint free t-shirt is a good method to use too.



Alcohol and coffee filters arn't gonna touch this. Its a bonding epoxy like JB Weld except it conducts heat pretty well. Trust me, it will have to be lapped off.

Also note that you dont nessisarily have to take your CPU down to copper, just lap it enuf to get the compound off.

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Reply to B-Unit

rubbing alcohol and a cotton swab works well.

Reply to million3g

B-Unit wrote :

Alcohol and coffee filters arn't gonna touch this. Its a bonding epoxy like JB Weld except it conducts heat pretty well. Trust me, it will have to be lapped off.

Also note that you dont nessisarily have to take your CPU down to copper, just lap it enuf to get the compound off.



Oh wow that stuff bonds that well :lol: , I guess that'll be the only suitable choice, lapping it.

Reply to AKM880

Good news!

I lapped the heat spread only until some copper was visible. Although I couldn't evenly sand the heat sink, I wanted to test it with the cleaned CPU. Temperatures fell from 60°C to 40°C.

After replacing that stock Intel heat sink with Xigmatek's S1284, temperatures fell to ~30°C.


Many thanks to all those who provided helpful suggestions and those who attempted to help.

BIG, BIG thanks to B-Unit, for saving myself the cost of a new processor, and randomizer for his patience! THANK YOU!

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