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February 23, 2009 6:44:20 AM

Hello community,

I'm putting together a new gaming rig. I've been playing WoW on a macbook for a while now and I just don't want to continue dealing with piss poor graphics settings. My goal is to create a rig that can run WoW at max settings on a 19" (I think its 1280x1080) at 60fps sustained (at least in most situations - Dalaran can be tough). I want to do it for under $600 including tax and shipping.

I've been playing around on newegg for a while now. Here's where I'm at.

LITE-ON Combo Black SATA Model DH-52C2S-04 - OEM $23
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $34
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar SE WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retaill $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

POWERCOLOR AX4830 512MD3-H Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec earthwatts EA380 380W ATX12V v2.0 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail - $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK - Retail $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
&
AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model AD775ZWCGHBOX - Retail $193
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


I like the deal I got with the processor and Vista. Normally vista is 180. With the combo the processor is only $13. This total comes in at $643. I'd love to hear some advice on this build. Ways to cut out $40 and get it under budget without killing performance? I don't need 320gb of space. I have an external hd for storage. Is there another smaller drive that won't be slower? Is there an intel build or a nvidia vid board that is comparable but less expensive?

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February 23, 2009 7:16:20 AM

This build is $575. You could OC the cpu ~2.8Ghz w/ the stock cooler. This is a good video card for gaming. I included the home version of vista to keep under budget, still a good version though. The e5200 can be OC'd to beat up on that kuma.

cpu - 73
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
board - 53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
video card - 105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - 41
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
case - 55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
psu - 70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD - 55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - 100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
optical - 23
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

February 23, 2009 7:47:28 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
this case is virtually identical for 45.00 + free shipping
saves 5 bucks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GIGABYTE GA-MA74GM-S2 AM2+/AM2 AMD 740G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

this item is out of stock at the moment
but is all you need if you use a dedicated GPU
would save another 20 bucks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory you will not even see a difference on the speed of the 1066 modules over the 800 modules
so here is another 10 bucks

That is about all i can recomend you change to save any money as any other items would definately show up in game
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a b Ý World of Warcraft
February 23, 2009 3:13:23 PM

Here is my offering:

POWERCOLOR AX4830 512MD3-H Radeon HD 4830 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #:AX4830 512MD3-H
Item #:N82E16814131129
Mail-in Rebate ($15)
$94.99 -$5.00 Instant $89.99

Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YD 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #:WD2500YD
Item #:N82E16822136010
$69.99 -$30.00 Instant $39.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400 - Retail
Model #:BX80571E7400
Item #:N82E16819115206
$119.99 $119.99

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM
Model #:66I-01939
Item #:N82E16832116488
$109.99 -$10.00 Instant $99.99

Antec earthwatts EA430 430W ATX12V v2.0 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Model #:EA430
Item #:N82E16817371006
$69.99 -$20.00 Instant $49.99

Rosewill R222-P-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:R222-P-BK
Item #:N82E16811147095
$29.99 -$10.00 Instant $19.99

GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #:GA-EP43-UD3L
Item #:N82E16813128380
$84.99 -$5.00 Instant $79.99

A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1B16K - Retail
Model #:ADQVE1B16K
Item #:N82E16820211188
$41.99 $41.99

LITE-ON 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model iHAS120-08 - Retail
Model #:iHAS120-08
Item #:N82E16827106264
$25.99 $25.99

Subtotal: $567.91
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This leaves a little tweaking room. Get a 120mm fan for the front of that case if you want to OC more than just a little, although you'd need a better CPU cooler too.
February 23, 2009 5:23:23 PM

My contribution:
GIGABYTE GA-MA770-UD3 AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS HD 4850 and 7750 Kuma BE combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Vista Home Premium 64bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G. Skill ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec earthwatts 430w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

WD Caviar SE16 320gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CM 335 Elite case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG SATA DVD Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total comes to ~$615 with shipping, and you get a $10 MIR, ~$605 grand total. So this rig would put you just over your budget, but the GPU I chose is better than those above and if you want to get 60FPS consistently in your games then you should go for the better GPU.
February 23, 2009 5:29:15 PM

Actually I found a better combo:
Saphire 4850 1gb and Antec EA 430w
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
This comes out cheaper and this card has twice the graphics memory.

Then the processor can be bought separate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It seems that mobo is out of stock too, so if you didn't want to wait, you could go for this one instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b Ý World of Warcraft
February 23, 2009 10:57:27 PM

If you drop the CPU in mine down to an e5200, you can get a 4850 with that one too. I think you'll appreciate the stronger CPU in other things you do with this system.

The HIS one xthekidx linked is the one I just got; very quiet, and stays cool.
February 24, 2009 12:15:06 AM

jtt283's build would be decent too (probably better than mine, I just threw the 7750 BE out there because you already had an e5200 and e7400 build and wanted to give you another option). I would recommend whichever way you went that you overclock the CPU to get better performance for your money. Both CPU's could handle a light OC on the stock cooler, and both are easy to overclock. If you got an aftermarket cooler then you could OC more. Coolers I would suggest are the AC Freezer 7 Pro or the Xigmatek S1283, both are great coolers for very reasonable prices. These will likely put you over budget slightly, but the performance gains you will get out of your rig from getting them will more than justify the costs IMO.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 24, 2009 3:18:57 AM

Whichever build you decide to go with, I would suggest keeping the 4850 or higher video card. If you want it for gaming, spend your money on the graphics. The cpu can be trimmed back and OC'd.
February 24, 2009 3:32:38 AM

+1 keep the 4850 if you can, it will be worth it.
February 24, 2009 4:50:39 AM

I like jtt283's build the best, although I would use these Mushkin RAM modules instead: link.

And I also like xthekidx's 4850/EA430W combo too.

OC'd, the E5200 is a great route to go for gaming on a tight budget.
a b Ý World of Warcraft
February 24, 2009 11:15:12 AM

That Mushkin RAM is better. It is what I usually get. It will oc "by accident" to at least DDR-960 on 1.8v. I chose the A-Data because it's cheaper and I've used it before too without any problems. It also runs on the JEDEC standard 1.8v.
The 4850/Antec combo is nice too, but I've read those Sapphires are really loud. That may or may not matter to you.
I'll be building a similar system today for a friend; his game (like mine) is Guild Wars. His budget was about the same, but he wanted an Ideazon keyboard as well, so the CPU/GPU are a 5200/4830. The RAM is the Mushkin.
a b Ý World of Warcraft
February 24, 2009 5:05:47 PM

Yes. That's what Akebono linked.
Anyway, the new PC came to life at 11:20a this morning, and is being loaded with SW now.
February 24, 2009 5:49:36 PM

Onus said:
Yes. That's what Akebono linked.
Anyway, the new PC came to life at 11:20a this morning, and is being loaded with SW now.

Doh I didn't see the link :pt1cable: 
February 25, 2009 4:27:59 AM

@xthekidx: Given your blistering pace, I'll help you out next time by typing "LINK" instead :D 
February 25, 2009 4:49:13 AM

thanks, much appreciated :p 
February 25, 2009 6:00:13 AM

+1 for the aftermarket heatsink (I use Arctic7 but Xigmatec performs a little better on dual cores i think)
+1 for sure keep the HD4850 and trim back/overclock the CPU. if you go for xthekidx's suggestion of a 4850 1 gig and you spend a bit of time researching overclocking, you will actually have a pretty beastly gaming rig!

Only doubt I would have is the Antec EA 430w and if it's efficient enough to power an overclock and a 4850 - I could be wrong; I just like to spend a little more on my PSUs... ; )
February 25, 2009 6:49:12 AM

@fruees: Agreed that the Antec EA 430 is tight, but so is the budget! ;) 
a b Ý World of Warcraft
February 25, 2009 8:41:51 AM

It could depend on the time frame. Sooner or later, the Earthwatts 500 will most likely be around $40; Newegg always has one or more of those models at a much lower price, and they switch around.
Oh... and a "beastly gaming rig" may be nice, but the stated purpose (WoW) doesn't need a 4850 (or better). Heck, Guild Wars is more demanding, and a 4830 will peg at 60 FPS with everything turned up including some AA; it is more demanding than WoW.
February 25, 2009 11:38:58 AM

hahaha ok sorry I forgot the OP said he wanted it only for WOW, but it's nice to get the best setup possible for the budget.... Unless you want to have to upgrade when you buy more demmanding games.

I haven't played WOW so perhaps I'm wrong and it really so good that you'll never buy another game again ; )
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