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February 23, 2009 10:49:47 PM

Hi, guys. I'm going to try this again. My friend asked me to help him build a pc cause I love the one I have. You guys did a great job making recommendations for me for my system and well i'm looking for the advice of this board again. He is looking to do some gaming mostly mmo's. Wow, and Everquest. Basic pc use.

Looking to start from scratch for the best compatibility. The budget where working with is $1,500 can go a little more if it makes a big difference. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks again in advance.

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February 24, 2009 2:08:00 AM

If you want to make this computer a bit more "futureproof" then you could upgrade that CPU in Proximon's build to a Q9650, otherwise that build is great.

Also on the GPU, the 1gb Toxic is only $5 more and definitely worth the extra because of the improved cooling solution and slight overclock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 24, 2009 2:14:28 AM

xthekidx said:

Also on the GPU, the 1gb Toxic is only $5 more and definitely worth the extra because of the improved cooling solution and slight overclock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Doh, you said that in another thread and it never really sank in. If the difference is 5 or even 10-15 bucks it's worth the upgrade for sure.
February 24, 2009 2:33:19 AM

thanks for all the replies. I feel like where already heading in the right direction. :D  Can you recommend me another cooler the darkknight recommended is sold out. We where torn on the graphics card too. Would this card be better than the ones recommended thus far?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The monitor is no longer part of the build as my friend decided he wants to get another tv and use that a monitor as well. Are there any drawbacks to using a tv vs having a standard monitor?


I didn't like the look of that keyboard. Are there any decent looking gaming keyboards.

Lastly where also going to need some speakers. But nothing too expensive.

Thanks again guys. I know this is a barrage of questions but i'm just excited to be getting this going.

Looking to order everything by next monday.
February 24, 2009 3:10:54 AM

That card is good, but you can't do SLI on the mobo that was suggested, so you would only be able to use that GPU and not add another one on later. I would stick with ATI, If you want to spend $300 on a GPU, then look at the Radeon HD 4850x2, which you could xfire on that mobo later when that card isn't enough.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 24, 2009 4:38:11 AM

Forget these other builds posted and get your money's worth. ;)  I'm surprised ...and also dissapointed that nobody on this thread posted a i7 build for you with that budget. You deserve better when you come here for advice on a build. Keyboards and mice are a personal thing, so I didn't add them into the build. That cpu comes with a thermal paste, but if you want go ahead and order the MX-2 or Arctic Silver 5. Also that heatsink comes with bracket for that X58 board.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q... <---Look at these charts on here and look for the Intel Core i7 920 on there.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

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PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

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GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

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Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $39.99
Scythe SCMG-2000 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail

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G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

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Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

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LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $224.99 ($214.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)
SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

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ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail

Total: $1,398.90 (not including shipping and rebates)

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Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM
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February 24, 2009 4:53:28 AM

polorsport said:
thanks for all the replies. I feel like where already heading in the right direction. :D  Can you recommend me another cooler the darkknight recommended is sold out. We where torn on the graphics card too. Would this card be better than the ones recommended thus far?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The monitor is no longer part of the build as my friend decided he wants to get another tv and use that a monitor as well. Are there any drawbacks to using a tv vs having a standard monitor?


I didn't like the look of that keyboard. Are there any decent looking gaming keyboards.

Lastly where also going to need some speakers. But nothing too expensive.

Thanks again guys. I know this is a barrage of questions but i'm just excited to be getting this going.

Looking to order everything by next monday.


If you want to spend that money on an Nvidea card...then go with this one down below. One of those cards will play the games you posted on high without a hitch. It's a good card, and it comes overclocked so you won't have to worry about messing with it....and it's on sale for cheap right now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $359.99 ($339.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate)
EVGA 01G-P3-1285-AR GeForce GTX 285 SC Edition 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail - Superclocked Edition Overclocked at 675MHz Core/2538MHz Memory
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February 24, 2009 4:58:41 AM

polorsport said:
He is looking to do some gaming mostly mmo's. Wow, and Everquest. Basic pc use.



He'll get far better performance out of a C2D and a strong GPU with those games, none of which are coded for quads.



We'll need to know a bit more about this TV before we can say what will work. Presuming the TV is 1080p everything still applies. No real drawbacks other than being farther away from the screen, and typically lower response times.
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February 24, 2009 5:05:24 AM

Proximon said:
He'll get far better performance out of a C2D and a strong GPU with those games, none of which are coded for quads.



We'll need to know a bit more about this TV before we can say what will work. Presuming the TV is 1080p everything still applies. No real drawbacks other than being farther away from the screen, and typically lower response times.


Your right but with that kind of budget I see no reason to not go with an i7 rig. If I was going to build that kid a rig with a dual core, I would have went with a E7400, linked him on how to bump it up to 1333fsb and saved him a few $$. $1,500 budget for a gaming rig says one thing to me... i7 build.
February 24, 2009 5:14:08 AM

For the OP's purposes and budget with "everything", I think that Proximon's Core 2 Duo build fits a little better. You don't have to max out the budget, why not bank the savings instead? I'd rather spend the price difference between Duo and i7 on a better video card instead.

However, the i7 build suggested by Why_Me is compelling, although to make it a fair comparison, I would have to go with the Gigabyte EX58-UD4P mobo at the very least, and I would also up the RAM to these: G.Skill CL7 DDR3, or maybe these: G.Skill Pi Silvers, or maybe even these: Mushkin CL6 DDR3.

And of course, the video card would have to be upped to the Toxic Edition as well.
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February 24, 2009 5:23:01 AM

Akebono 98 said:
For the OP's purposes and budget with "everything", I think that Proximon's Core 2 Duo build fits a little better. You don't have to max out the budget, why not bank the savings instead? I'd rather spend the price difference between Duo and i7 on a better video card instead.

However, the i7 build suggested by Why_Me is compelling, although to make it a fair comparison, I would have to go with the Gigabyte EX58-UD4P mobo at the very least, and I would also up the RAM to these: G.Skill CL7 DDR3, or maybe these: G.Skill Pi Silvers, or maybe even these: Mushkin CL6 DDR3.

And of course, the video card would have to be upped to the Toxic Edition as well.


There's a price difference of $85 although I didn't include a keyboard and mouse...seeing how I use a $15 logitech keyboard and a $30 logitech tracball for gaming I doubt I would be one to ask for advice on that.

But I do know one thing, if I had a $1,500 budget and I wanted to play the newer games comming out and utilize Windows 7/DDR3 and all that other cool stuff...well it's a no brainer.... an i7 rig.

It wouldn't take the OP but a few minutes to bump up that 920 to 3.2Ghz (24 x 133) and he's off to the races.
February 24, 2009 5:32:13 AM

Why_Me said:
It wouldn't take the OP but a few minutes to bump up that 920 to 3.2Ghz (24 x 133) and he's off to the races.

why_me you seem to be a bit confused about overclocking the i7, I have seen you show this in several threads...24x133 isn't possible unless you get the i7-965. The 920's multiplier is locked at 20, and the 940's is locked at 22 (this and $250 being the only difference in these two chips). The only chip you can change the multiplier at will is the extreme, which is never justified cost/performance wise IMO.

I agree that i7 is a smarter decision for long term, but for now if you want the best performance/cost ratio in gaming, Core 2 is much better, and there is no need to spend all that money just because he has it. i7's are the best processors out right now, there is no question about that, but the amount by which they are the best is not as great as the difference between P4 and Core 2, the margin is much slimmer.

The way I see i7 is this: Intel is in a transition stage to a new socket. LGA 1366 will have more better processors that utilize it better than the i7. Its like when Pentium dual cores were first released, these were basically prototypes for the Core 2's, a way for Intel to test the water if you will. The cost of going to the i7 is not justified in a purely gaming rig, if the computer will be used for other things like video editing, then it is worthwhile which is why I made the switch.
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February 24, 2009 5:45:55 AM

xthekidx said:
why_me you seem to be a bit confused about overclocking the i7, I have seen you show this in several threads...24x133 isn't possible unless you get the i7-965. The 920's multiplier is locked at 20, and the 940's is locked at 22 (this and $250 being the only difference in these two chips). The only chip you can change the multiplier at will is the extreme, which is never justified cost/performance wise IMO.

I agree that i7 is a smarter decision for long term, but for now if you want the best performance/cost ratio in gaming, Core 2 is much better, and there is no need to spend all that money just because he has it. i7's are the best processors out right now, there is no question about that, but the amount by which they are the best is not as great as the difference between P4 and Core 2, the margin is much slimmer.

The way I see i7 is this: Intel is in a transition stage to a new socket. LGA 1366 will have more better processors that utilize it better than the i7. Its like when Pentium dual cores were first released, these were basically prototypes for the Core 2's, a way for Intel to test the water if you will. The cost of going to the i7 is not justified in a purely gaming rig, if the computer will be used for other things like video editing, then it is worthwhile which is why I made the switch.


My bad your right. But after looking up the overclocking results on that cpu...I'm going to get one with my tax refund. Christ...that thing hulls arse. I didn't read what they were using for cooling, but those were some nice scores @ 3.6

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2008/11/06/overcl...
February 24, 2009 6:07:09 AM

@Why_Me:

The way I see it is that both the i7 and Core 2 Duo processors (let's say E8500) are both good for gaming.

The i7 is faster and more futureproof.

The Duo has higher overclocked linear speed (at least mine does) and is better if you're on a tight budget.

Most games are still not quad core optimized, and won't be for a while.

Comparable rigs in my book would still have at least a $300 difference (mobo/CPU/RAM only).

In terms of overall budget, I'd rather put some of that $300 towards a better video card (the upcoming ATI card, maybe?), a nice G5 gaming mouse, etc.

I do see your argument for an i7, just not at the $1500 all-in mark. Yes, the OP did take out the monitor, which favors your i7 build. But depending on the circumstances, adding keyboard, mouse, speakers, taxes (maybe) and shipping (maybe) would put you over the mark.

Maybe if the OP clarified all of these extra parameters vis-a-vis the budget, then we could all work together to come up with the best build within the specified constraints. :) 
February 24, 2009 3:48:30 PM

Why_Me said:
Forget these other builds posted and get your money's worth. ;)  I'm surprised ...and also dissapointed that nobody on this thread posted a i7 build for you with that budget. You deserve better when you come here for advice on a build.


I Agree %100


i7 is more future proof, all core2duo and quads are outdated. If he buys a core2duo he will be replacing his MB to get a new processor down the road. With i7 he could upgrade processor only one day.

I think with a $1500 budget i7 is the only option; to be frank I think this is a no brainer.

February 24, 2009 3:53:00 PM

I have $1500 for a new PC…
Oh I know… ill get the older technology to save $200.

I can understand if there was a $500 difference, but there is not, they are close in price for a %10-%20 speed increase and upgradability... That’s worth $200.
February 24, 2009 4:01:23 PM

@grieve

What you would realize had you followed 'da whole' thread is that for gaming, the increased linear speeds Core 2 realizes against the i7 makes its (core i7) speed advantage in multi-threaded apps rather pointless.

If the OP doesn't utilize it, it's like having a Ferrari with a speed limiter at 75. Sure, it looks cool, and everyone's jealous, but he won't pass anyone on the freeway.
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February 24, 2009 4:14:49 PM

+1 to the Core 2 Duo Build.

The money saved can be used for a better GPU, ultimately improving gaming performance more than an i7 and decent GPU.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This card puts you right at your budget, but will give you awesome performance in games. More so than the i7 + HD4870 system.
February 24, 2009 4:20:34 PM

Wow...that's a card alright.

Once again though, probably quite a bit more than OP needs.

He's playing WoW, not OMFGWOW!

lol
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February 24, 2009 4:45:43 PM

I think I would rather spend $85 more on the i7 rig, and still be under budget by over $100 not to mention it comes with good cooling so it wouldn't be a problem to overclock it and get even more out of it.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTU4NSwx...
February 24, 2009 4:51:50 PM

@Why_Me

I think we, by this point, all get what you would do. The issue is that you are completely relentless in your determination not to realize the possibility that anything but the latest and greatest could possibly be acceptable.

When you continue to add performance and features an individual will never utilize, it's a waste of money. For 300-400 less you can outfit a Core 2 perfectly for his needs.
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February 24, 2009 4:58:52 PM

techwizard08 said:
@Why_Me

I think we, by this point, all get what you would do. The issue is that you are completely relentless in your determination not to realize the possibility that anything but the latest and greatest could possibly be acceptable.

When you continue to add performance and features an individual will never utilize, it's a waste of money. For 300-400 less you can outfit a Core 2 perfectly for his needs.


I suggested to go with a E7400, then get a cheaper motherboard, etc... Good idea, this way he can build a complete new rig next year when he decides to upgrade for some newer games.... :heink: 
February 24, 2009 5:10:10 PM

Why_Me said:
Your right but with that kind of budget I see no reason to not go with an i7 rig. If I was going to build that kid a rig with a dual core, I would have went with a E7400, linked him on how to bump it up to 1333fsb and saved him a few $$. $1,500 budget for a gaming rig says one thing to me... i7 build.


I'm not going to get into an argument with you, but after this you continue to make posts over an over about the i7. As many know from seeing my comments in other threads, I fully believe the i7 to make a great rig. However, I think it important to take into account the circumstances and really determine if the technology is paired well to their needs. As far as only an 85 dollar difference, your build was nearly 1400 before tax and shipping? You can get away with a fully built Core 2 for 900, and his needs would be more than met. And with the extra 500, it's an amount in savings that you would have to be a fool to consider insignificant.

That's all I have to say about it. There's no point going any further.
February 24, 2009 5:30:00 PM

I'm basically in the same boat as OP. I'm only interested in Blizzard games, used to play WoW, WarCraft 3 being my current hook, with StarCraft 2 on the horizon.

However, is quad core going to help me if I tend to multitask heavily? It is normal for me to have iTunes and Chrome open 24-7 plus either WarCraft 3 or Photoshop CS at the same time. I've seen the benchmarks and for single application use, Core 2 Duo performs just as well if not better than the more expensive Quads.

Should I spend the $100 more for a Q9550 or even an i7 or just save the dough and go with a E8500? I'll probably get that toxic edition HD 4870.

I tend to spend about $600-800 on a new CPU/Mobo/Ram/Vid Card every four years (keeping the rest of the parts). My current system is a AMD 64 3700+ San Diego with 2gb ram and an eVGA 6800GT.
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February 24, 2009 5:36:11 PM

bmuell said:
I'm basically in the same boat as OP. I'm only interested in Blizzard games, used to play WoW, WarCraft 3 being my current hook, with StarCraft 2 on the horizon.

However, is quad core going to help me if I tend to multitask heavily? It is normal for me to have iTunes and Chrome open 24-7 plus either WarCraft 3 or Photoshop CS at the same time. I've seen the benchmarks and for single application use, Core 2 Duo performs just as well if not better than the more expensive Quads.

Should I spend the $100 more for a Q9550 or even and i7 or just save the dough and go with a E8500? I'll probably get that toxic edition HD 4870.

I tend to spend about $600-800 on a new CPU/Mobo/Ram/Vid Card every four years (keeping the rest of the parts). My current system is a AMD 64 3700+ San Diego with 2gb ram and an eVGA 6800GT.


I just put together a gaming rig on here including monitor, after market HS, 6 gigs of DDR3 and OS for under $1,500.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q... <---You make the choice.
February 24, 2009 5:37:33 PM

If you're heavily multi-tasking, and one of those tasks is photo-editing, then a quad will definitely help out.
February 24, 2009 5:49:07 PM

techwizard08 said:
If you're heavily multi-tasking, and one of those tasks is photo-editing, then a quad will definitely help out.


Enough to warrant the $100 increase from the E8500 to the Q9550?
February 24, 2009 5:52:19 PM

No time to build a full recommended build, but the following general applies:

1. +1 for a C2D build over a quad or i7 for MMO gaming.
2. Stick with AMD video cards over Nvidia. AMD's prices are generally better right now due to the Nvidia G285 release.
3. Stick with the Intel p45 MB chipset. (Avoid the Nvidia MB chipsets) You'll only be able to use a single video card, but SLI/Crossfire gains are not as good as a good single card in most MMOs.
4. A computer case is 50% looks for the end user and 50% for its functionality. Get your friend to look at "quality" cases to see what they want it to look like. (Personally, I prefer solid black cases. And, due to my desk configuration, top of case and side of case mounted front ports are not an option. As a result, I prefer the Antec 300.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5. Everyone is building machines with Vista as the OS. Does your friend want Vista, or do they want to stick with XP? They'll lose Direct X 10 and the ability to play some games, but MMOs aren't affected.
6. Get 3 or 4 GB of ram if you build a 32 bit system. Get 4 or 8 GB of ram if you build a 64 bit system.

7. Make sure the tv:
a. Has a DVI input. (Or, buy an adapter/cable that will convernt DVI to HDMI.)
b. Is at least 720p/1080i. (Preferably 1080p) 720p/1080i = 1366x768, 1080p = 1920x1080.
c. Has a minimum refresh rate of 8ms. (5ms preferred)

8. Keyboards and mice are personal preference. I prefer:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
However, with the tv plan, strongly consider bluetooth wireless for your keyboard and mouse.
February 24, 2009 5:52:44 PM

Now it's going to depend on who you ask. I personally think so. However, I am like the embodiment of multi-tasking. For me the quad core helps my productivity. There are many who would make the 100$ bump if it wouldn't break the bank.

However, there are others who wouldn't jump that much. You could also consider the Q6600, which I have recently been informed is only a $30 difference.
February 24, 2009 5:54:32 PM

@terr281

There is absolutely no need for him to go to 8gigs on the ram. For most gaming builds 4 is more than plenty.

*has been wanting to use more than plenty all day
February 24, 2009 5:56:50 PM

bmuell said:
Enough to warrant the $100 increase from the E8500 to the Q9550?

I would say yes, it will also make your rig last longer, maybe another year or so before it becomes obsolete, apps will continue to become more multithreaded and with you multitasking on top of that, it makes sense to get the Quad.
February 24, 2009 6:01:53 PM

What about comparing the Q6600 and E8500 to a Phenom II quad like the 9950 or the new 810 with AM3 (only $175)?

The PIIs seem like they match up to the Q6600 in benches but are a bit cheaper.

Then again, DDR3 memory is more expensive, and probably not worth it since I'm going to stick with XP 32 bit for a little longer.

If I find a good deal on the Q6600, it could be the perfect chip for my purposes. But what about the PII 9950 BE?
February 24, 2009 6:03:44 PM

techwizard08 said:
@terr281

There is absolutely no need for him to go to 8gigs on the ram. For most gaming builds 4 is more than plenty.

*has been wanting to use more than plenty all day


If he/someone could find a good deal on 2 x 4 GB sticks of ram versus 2 x 2 GB, and the chosen MB allows up to 16 GB in 4 slots, then a reason does exist. (In EQ when I played a few years ago, my 2 GB of ram 3.2 Ghz P4 system frequently ran out of ram when zoning multiple times.) MMOs are notorious for using ram to load zones...and then leave them in memory.

If the price is right, why not upgrade to 8 versus 4?
February 24, 2009 6:21:41 PM

bmuell said:
What about comparing the Q6600 and E8500 to a Phenom II quad like the 9950 or the new 810 with AM3 (only $175)?

The PIIs seem like they match up to the Q6600 in benches but are a bit cheaper.

Then again, DDR3 memory is more expensive, and probably not worth it since I'm going to stick with XP 32 bit for a little longer.

If I find a good deal on the Q6600, it could be the perfect chip for my purposes. What about the PII 9950 BE?

bmuell create your own thread, you are parasitizing this one. I will humor your questions one more time, but create your own thread so we can focus more on you in it.

The only Phenom II I recommend is the 940 BE. This is because it can be used on the AM2+ platform and does not obligate DDR3 memory. The price of DDR3 memory is not justified by performance when DDR2 performs 2-5% less and costs $200-300 less. The 940 is also easily overclocked because it is a BE and so its potential is the greatest of all the PII's, and its price is very competitive with comparable Intel Quads. the Phenom 9950 BE is not a PII, its PI and uses the 65nm process; its inefficient and cannot be overclocked because of the heat it generates and is not a good chip when compared to Intel, their lowest end quad core trounces it in almost everything. Both those intel processors you mentioned; Q6600 and E8500 are better than the AMD processors. If you want to compare the PII 940 to the E8500, then it starts to get interesting, take a look at this: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=349... The E8500 is much better for gaming, there isn't a question about that, but the trade off comes to productivity and multitasking, the E8500 falls behind the PII 940 here.
February 24, 2009 6:22:33 PM

Given that 4 gig sticks are a) needlessly expensive and b) struggle to produce 4cas timings, finding a good deal on them versus 2x2gig is highly unlikely.

As far as your pentium crying through everquest, I would be interested to see something in writing about MMO's memory ownage.

I was able to play EQ and WoW on my laptop with 1gig of ram absolutely fine...you did have a dedicated GPU with your pentium, right?
February 24, 2009 6:29:54 PM

techwizard08 said:
Given that 4 gig sticks are a) needlessly expensive and b) struggle to produce 4cas timings, finding a good deal on them versus 2x2gig is highly unlikely.

As far as your pentium crying through everquest, I would be interested to see something in writing about MMO's memory ownage.

I was able to play EQ and WoW on my laptop with 1gig of ram absolutely fine...you did have a dedicated GPU with your pentium, right?


Yes, I was using a Radeon x600 with 256 MB of ram, that was later upgraded to a 7300 GT DDR3. But, this diversion is irrelavant in regard to the OP. (As xthekidx stated for bmuell's posts) I won't be replying further in this vain...unless can get time to make a priced build.
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February 24, 2009 7:10:24 PM

If you are concerned about the longevity of your build, then you can go with a fast quad core like the Q9650.

This build would be ideal, its $300 under budget, and gives you more than enough power to last a good while. Not to mention, the performance of the Q9650 is quite comparable to the i7, without the added cost of an x58 mobo and DDR3 RAM.

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...

*Note: Ignore the title of the wishlist (it was modified)
February 24, 2009 7:29:48 PM

techwizard08 said:
@grieve

What you would realize had you followed 'da whole' thread is that for gaming, the increased linear speeds Core 2 realizes against the i7 makes its (core i7) speed advantage in multi-threaded apps rather pointless.

If the OP doesn't utilize it, it's like having a Ferrari with a speed limiter at 75. Sure, it looks cool, and everyone's jealous, but he won't pass anyone on the freeway.


If the OP can afford a Ferrari, it is our responsibility to build him one, Not a Mustang!


I suggest i7 because the budget is $1500… had the OP givin us a budget of $800 I would have informed him Q6600/E8400 or something similar.

Why offer the OP an inferior product when he can afford more? Not everyone needs to save a buck. In this case the budget is $1500, easily in the price range of an i7 machine which is superior no matter what spin you place on it.

Furthermore, The OP stated “Any and all suggestions would be appreciated." This is what I have offered, you don’t have to agree.
February 24, 2009 7:31:31 PM

I can understand if there was a $500 difference, but there is not, they are close in price for a %10-%20 speed increase and upgradability... That’s worth $200.
February 24, 2009 7:32:05 PM

Touche sir. You are absolutely right. I guess I got a little bit off track earlier. I just thought it appropriate OP see he could get what he wanted at a lower cost, but you are correct as well--OP deserves to see just how much his budget can get him.

I'm not an enemy of splurging, that's for sure ;) 
February 24, 2009 7:34:14 PM

Antec 300 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129042
Samsung 22x Dvd Burner http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151171
E 8400 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115037
Xigmatex 1283 Rifle cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233003
WD Caviar Black 640 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136319
G. SKill Pi Black 4gig http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231209
Gigabyte UD3P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128358
PCP&C 750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817703009
Sapphire 4850x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102809

$951.87 w/ 60 MIR before shipping and tax.

I posted this into someone else's thread, but I think it's worth a look. He's looking at just under $900 before tax and shipping, but it would do exactly what he's looking for. And that would save at least $500.

I 100% agree with you if it were only 200--but this would save him 30% of his proposed budged, and that should also be taken into account, don't you agree?
a b 4 Gaming
February 24, 2009 7:45:10 PM

I always get a kick out of threads that go on for 3 feet of text long after the OP last responded.

This is all moot because the OP announced his friend, who he is building this PC for, is buying a TV instead of a monitor.

So, we have no idea what the current budget is.


February 24, 2009 7:58:07 PM

Like that doesn't suck all the fun away from our debate =(
a b 4 Gaming
February 24, 2009 8:03:57 PM

LOL
February 24, 2009 9:06:25 PM

hehe no doubt
February 24, 2009 9:19:39 PM

Hey at least all your debating helped me pick my new upgrade (sorry again to be a parasite!)

I think I'm going to upgrade from a AMD 64 3700+ San Diego to this in the next month or so:

Q9550 (probably going to find one for around $250 on eBay)
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3LR
G.Skill PI Black 2x2gb
WD Caviar Black 640gb

I'll be reusing my OCZ 520w PowerStream, Lian Li case, NEC dvd burner, Dell 20" lcd, and eVGA 6800GT (though I'll upgrade vid cards when StarCraft 2 comes out-- most likely a sapphire 4870 1gb toxic edition)

I'm pretty conservative when it comes to spending and I only go for the best cost/performance, and I think this should be good considering my multitasking, photo editing, and light gaming needs.
February 24, 2009 10:04:48 PM

Quickly built (no individual parts research done):

Parts total: $1,131.80
Shipping (to me, anyway): $55.53
Mail in rebates: $110.00
Total: $1,077.33

Fan adapters, 2: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Video (4870 512 MB) & free game: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
PSU, CPU, & DVD 1 (OCZ 700w, E8400, & 22x IDE): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Free printer USB cable (with CPU cooler): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case fans (2 used now, 2 for spares): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS (Win XP Pro 64 bit): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MB (P45, Crossfire capable for future upgrades): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram (2 x 2 GB DDR2 800 stock 4-4-4-12): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermal grease (Tuniq): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard/mouse (Logitech RF wireless): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Speakers (Logitect X-540): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD (Hitachi 7.2k 750 GB Sata 2): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case (Antec 300): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD burner 2 (Asus Retail <for Nero>): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Complete system minus monitor
February 25, 2009 4:58:10 AM

OP--Where are you??? :bounce: 
!