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March 19, 2009 4:58:04 PM

Extremely disappointing. I was thinking of a 11000 to 12000 performance point from it. I mean some OCed 4870 1gb could go to 9800 performance point.

http://www.ocheaven.com/news_view.asp?gid=6754

Iv seen OCed GTX260 run over 10k and a few 4870s :D 

I mean I hoped for so much more :D 

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a c 130 U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 5:05:28 PM

Nice but to be honest its not this card im interested in from a technical point of view. the one im looking forward to is the replacement for the 4830. Rumoured to have the performance of the 4830 or even the 4850 but like the 4670 not need any extra power. Now that sounds like one serious card if its true.

Mactronix
March 19, 2009 5:05:39 PM

good find
a c 106 U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 5:45:14 PM

I guess it will be just below the performance of the 280, but we'll see. What will be really interesting is to see the performance of the 4890 X2. Now that card is definitely going to consume considerably more power than the GTX 295, so it's going to have to offer at least slightly better performance to justify being priced at the same level. We shall see soon I guess.
March 19, 2009 5:50:19 PM

mactronix said:
Nice but to be honest its not this card im interested in from a technical point of view. the one im looking forward to is the replacement for the 4830. Rumoured to have the performance of the 4830 or even the 4850 but like the 4670 not need any extra power. Now that sounds like one serious card if its true.

Mactronix


I am too. Just think what performance running those in Crossfire would bring.....and not to mention overclocking.

As for this card, if the price is low enough, then I think it will sell just fine.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 6:08:53 PM

Im thinking, hold off as to the perf iof the 4890, as the new drivers will make a difference, and since only certain people will have both HW and SW, and itll happen soon, then we can maybe get a glimpse, otherwise, its best to wait
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14616
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 6:29:29 PM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=10030142

That's the top gtx285 and intel 920 at stock.

There is a difference of about 800 points, however this guys cpu score is 400 points higher. The SM3 scores were 7643 (285) and 7521 (4890).

For comparison, the fastest stock gtx280 scores 7470 on the SM3 score.

It should be said, these are the top 2 scores on 3dmark 06 at stock for those respective nvidias, whereas it is a first run on a 4890. Don't be surprised if the 4890 is actually faster than the 285gtx on release, at least in terms of 3dmark 06. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 6:36:06 PM

Now youre getting it
March 19, 2009 7:02:19 PM

"The Radeon 4890 will probably be priced moderately above the 4870, but still far below NVIDIA's GTX 280. The GTX 280 should not be confused with the mobile GTX 280M part, which is actually a rebadged GTS 250/9800 GTX+."

-http://www.dailytech.com

Like Jaydee said, hold off on any celebrations or hate, the card still has something to prove, and we'll see after release:) 
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 7:04:17 PM

So basically it competes above the GTX260, slightly below the GTX285 and nearly on par with the GTX280.

Not too bad
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 7:23:13 PM

Looking at the 3dmark 06 scores it would be a suprise if the 4890 isnt at least as fast as a gtx285. It's already faster than the fastest stock 280gtx in SM3.

a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 7:29:18 PM

Without the drivers. Ill just point this out. When the very first 3DMarks appeared for the 4xxxseries, people werent that impressed. It wasnt until the right drivers appeared, and the realization that the 4xxx series was different from the 3xxx series as to how points in 3D related to real world, and the 4xxx needed less marks to actually do more. Anyways, just wait
March 19, 2009 7:34:44 PM

then if it is the performance of 4890 is the same as GTX280 about

sms2.0score: 4890 : 6155 GTX285: 6709

sm3.0: 4890: 7509 GTX285: 7643

pretty close
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 7:39:42 PM

Rescawen, that one i linked was the top gtx285 and i7 at stock clocks on 3dmark 06. What I'm trying to say is, that is the *top* stock score for a 285gtx - it is probably one of the higher stock clocked 285's and using some kind of extreme mobo.

The Nvidias seem to be holding up better in SM2, but the 4890 has made big gains on SM3. My 4870 512mb overclocked to 800 core/3960 memory scores about 6800 in SM3.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 7:45:13 PM

Just going by your numbers jennyh, a quick approximation shows around 7200 with a 850 core, and its 7509, so its obviously more than just a speed bump
March 19, 2009 8:22:45 PM

its a revision card basically so its not like when the 4000X series came out, because its a play off card. So the drivers still work to a certain extent using the old drivers:) 


@ BSOD read the comment, its still going to be far off from the 280 GTX.
March 19, 2009 8:51:36 PM

I'm sure it wont, not "far off" at least...
this card is obviously superior to the 1gb 4870, it'll get close to the gtx 280...
sweet thing is if they put a good price on it, it'll bring all the prices down, price
is supposed to be a little bit over the 1gb 4870, i think at $200-$230 this card would bring all nvidia prices down 280s at $250 without rebates and 285's at $280 :D , then i would be able to get a 285 :D ..
that's just what i think :) 
March 19, 2009 8:52:44 PM

and hope lol
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 8:55:20 PM

Liquid what are you talking nonsense about now? They mean it's going to be far off the 280gtx in price not performance, duh!



Ok this first 3dmark 06 run of the 4890 scored...

16096 3DMarks

SM 2.0 Score 6155
SM 3.0 Score 7521
CPU Score 4836

As a comparison, my 4870 512mb at stock and a Q6600 overclocked to 3ghz scores

14277 3DMarks

SM 2.0 Score 5581
SM 3.0 Score 6578
CPU Score 4250

Judging by that, there has definitely been work done on the shaders that cannot be accounted for by clock speed alone.
March 19, 2009 9:37:39 PM

jenny no offense on this forum, you seem to be talking the most none sense out of every1.

These are synthetics, they mean nothing:) 

Lets not start talking out of our asses:D 

Judging by how much you couldn't realize the speed of the econo card with 10% less clock, then this card is far out of your all over the place Fanboy assumptions:) 
March 19, 2009 10:15:16 PM

^^

???

Ok, so what about when we have a non-reference board in our hands? Don't you think the performance would slightly improve?
March 19, 2009 10:16:50 PM

they are synthetics they mean nothing... i agree
however, changes must have been made for the score to change like that,
that's more than the occasional calculation error imo...
March 19, 2009 10:20:02 PM

Nica Guy said:
they are synthetics they mean nothing... i agree
however, changes must have been made for the score to change like that,
that's more than the occasional calculation error imo...


Its most likely do to the fact that the chip is the RV790 instead of the RV770.
March 19, 2009 10:25:17 PM

JAYDEEJOHN said:
Im thinking, hold off as to the perf iof the 4890, as the new drivers will make a difference, and since only certain people will have both HW and SW, and itll happen soon, then we can maybe get a glimpse, otherwise, its best to wait
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14616


Original reference cooler. Fail.
March 19, 2009 11:03:04 PM

Everyone seems to get expecting some serious boost with the 4890, it's still based on the current 4000 series chipset...don't know why everyone is so suprised. I'll be keeping my 4870s until the NEW chipset design comes out, which will of course be smaller, and use less power, and be faster, and have better over-clocking abilitys :p 
March 19, 2009 11:21:47 PM

These cards MIGHT be able to touch the GTX 285 with some heavy overclocking. But then you can just OC the GTX 285 and pull away again.

But given the price point for the 4890 (apparently just above the 4870), its an unlikely scenario. ATI would price it $100 more expensive ($280 give or take) if they knew it could match or beat the GTX 280/285 and still manage to sell alot.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 11:41:03 PM

I'm sure ATI have figured that Nvidia can't live with their pricing.

R700s cost buttons to make in comparison to the bloated architecture of the 200 series cards. There is a bottom line that Nvidia need to make, and ATI are squeezing them so hard they are about to burst.

You probably read about ATI's partners telling them they didn't want to lower the price on 4870's. They want to lower 4870 prices but their partners are complaining so it has been delayed.

On the 4890, It's a r700 with the same memory bus and same memory that has been getting sold for almost a year. There is no reason why it can't be sold at prices a little higher than a 4870 is. ATI are making money on these cards while Nvidia takes a loss on every one while ATI dictate the whole market price.
March 19, 2009 11:44:41 PM

Nvidia isnt taking a loss on every card they sell, thats absurd. Their chips are extremely large and expensive, but not that expensive. There was a thread up here awhile ago on this very topic, I think it turned up to be like $30 profit from each $400 GTX 280 sold or something like that.
a b U Graphics card
March 19, 2009 11:54:01 PM

spathotan said:
Nvidia isnt taking a loss on every card they sell, thats absurd. Their chips are extremely large and expensive, but not that expensive. There was a thread up here awhile ago on this very topic, I think it turned up to be like $30 profit from each $400 GTX 280 sold or something like that.


The 260 outsells everything else by a long way. With the constant drop in prices, there is no way they are making money on that card at what it's at now.

$30 on a 280 priced at $400 is a horrible margin. That's the point - when the 4890 beats the 280 all ends up and costs at least 50% less, how much money will nvidia be making on a 280 then?
March 19, 2009 11:55:50 PM

Like I said, Synthetics won't tell us anything, and knowing ATI we should expect some decent gains, but ppl are expecting miracles.

Stop raising your hopes, lets all agree that its going to boost 5% only and be surprised when its 10% or 15%.

How crushed would u be if you expected 15 and got 5?

:)  Couple of more days, till then I'm not arguing the ideas till something concrete comes out.

The reason I think this is BS, is because 1 280 GTX creamed a 4870 X2 in vantage, yet in real life its def not as strong or anywhere near the 4870 X2.
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2009 12:01:18 AM

You do know that the PhysX test on Vantage skews the final results massively in favour of Nvidias, right liquid?

3dmark 06 works on pure shader power, and that is what you see in terms of gaming fps. There are no fancy tricks making an ass of the benchmarks.
March 20, 2009 12:01:36 AM

jennyh said:
The 260 outsells everything else by a long way. With the constant drop in prices, there is no way they are making money on that card at what it's at now.

$30 on a 280 priced at $400 is a horrible margin. That's the point - when the 4890 beats the 280 all ends up and costs at least 50% less, how much money will nvidia be making on a 280 then?


Jenny stop using speculation from sites and logical guess in a sentence that makes it look concrete. we don't know how much retailers will sell this card for, If this card turns out to be more than the 280, expect to see a price in increase. Remember suggested retail is 300$, that doesn't mean retailers actually will. The 280 GTX retailed 399$ a couple of months ago, and retailers still had them for 450-500$, yet on the BFG website you could grab them for retail.

Anyways
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2009 12:08:01 AM

L1qu1d said:
Jenny stop using speculation from sites and logical guess in a sentence that makes it look concrete. we don't know how much retailers will sell this card for, If this card turns out to be more than the 280, expect to see a price in increase. Remember suggested retail is 300$, that doesn't mean retailers actually will. The 280 GTX retailed 399$ a couple of months ago, and retailers still had them for 450-500$, yet on the BFG website you could grab them for retail.

Anyways


I'm using logic to suggest that there is no reason why a 4890 should cost a lot more than a 4870 does.

It's the same chip, the same memory, same memory bus as a card that has been selling for almost a year.

Each Nvidia costs more because the only way Nvidia can get the fastest card back is by adding more stuff. More memory bus, more transistors.... which equals more expensive graphics cards.

Simple as that.
March 20, 2009 12:09:03 AM

jennyh said:
You do know that the PhysX test on Vantage skews the final results massively in favour of Nvidias, right liquid?

3dmark 06 works on pure shader power, and that is what you see in terms of gaming fps. There are no fancy tricks making an ass of the benchmarks.


Can you please take that tiny little mind of yours and start reading posts? People make mistakes they don't repeat each other, you on the other hand do.

Thats exactly what I was looking to prove, THAT THE RESULTS ARE WORTH NOTHING, DO I HAVE TO USE THE WORD SKEW TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND AND HAVE MY WORDS IN CAPS?

3dmark VANTAGE when used with the NV 280 GTX and 4870 X2, the results were SKEWED, BECAUSE of PHYSX.

I WASN'T praising 280 GTX, I was point out that it def DID NOT represent the synthetics. THE 4870 X2 is STRONGER than the 280 GTX, yet LOSES in VANTAGE, thats why I DON'T trust VANTAGE.

My god, and for the records 3Dmark06 loved ATI cards for the reason you said, and loves CPU clock (like most synthetics). the 2900 XT was the strongest 3Dmark06 card, did that perform to your liking? NO

READ READ READ

March 20, 2009 12:13:16 AM

spathotan i left u a msg in ur inbox can u check it please? :D 
March 20, 2009 12:13:50 AM

Quote:
It's the same chip, the same memory, same memory bus as a card that has been selling for almost a year.


There's your answer, so if thats all the same, what more can you expect? how much horse power. No1 here is denying that it won't be stronger than the 4870....how much can you expect?

oh and no offence, your logic failed you when it came to an already released card, what makes you think with this card with more SP, 100 mhz and overall slightly different behavious than just Oc or underclocked card, that you'll do well.

No1 is saying ur dumb, but I'm sorry your logic doesn't fit. You know you stuff (some), but not enough to make a decent guess.

If this was coming from users like TGGA, Jaydee and others I might see some meaning, but I read all your posts, and they are all fanboyism.

Thats my opinion, it might just be me.
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2009 12:22:18 AM

Wow liquid, for somebody who says read so much you sure need to do it more yourself. ;) 

You said that you didnt trust synthetics because the 280 showed up better than the 4870x2. Fair enough.

The *point* here is - and READ - there is nothing skewing the benchmarks in 3dmark 06. No garbage physx tests that are meaningless - it's just pure shader power *which is what counts in games*.

ATI's haven't been getting that close to Nvidia's on the 3dmark06 SM3 score for a long time. The very FIRST 4890 SM3 bench beats the very BEST 280gtx SM3 bench and just loses out to the very BEST gtx285 SM3 bench.

The 4890 is gonna be better than the 285gtx, cry more and maybe you'll convince yourself otherwise. ;) 

One more thing - you've got how many 285's? Bench one of them and show us your 3dmark06 results please!
March 20, 2009 12:24:29 AM

Your an idiot, I'm sorry I have to say it.

Can some1 explain the ATI 2900 XT story to this scrub? because I'm done with this hardcore dramaqueen/fanboy.

Good day.

P.S

Here's an example, I'm sorry I don't do that 3Dmark sh!T, when I use to be stupid, I compared my 2900 XT 3Dmark06 scores with my 9800 GX2 scores, which was 1 year later, you want to know the score?

18,000 for the 2900 XT, and 14,000 for the 9800 GX2:) 

Bye
March 20, 2009 12:29:37 AM

If "lol" had a face, this thread would be it.

That is all.
March 20, 2009 12:30:27 AM

*sits back and grabs a bucket of popcorn*

Ooh, I wonder whats going to happen next.


Back to the topic of the 4890......
This card was obviously made to "fill the gap" between the GTX 260 and the GTX 285. It will sit right in between and rake up the cash. Those who want more performance than the 4870 and GTX 260 will go with the 4890 (unless Nvidia comes out with the GTX 275). It wont compete with the GTX 285, its not meant to. Also, this test was done on a reference 4890, there is no telling how good a Sapphire (or other manufacturer) 4890 will do, or even how much overclocking potential this thing has.
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2009 12:31:07 AM

Liquid you are so goddamm dumb I wouldnt be surprised if you tested crossfire 2900XT's vs a 9800 gx2 without the extra power connector.

Bye!
March 20, 2009 12:31:57 AM

Also, 3dmark06 scores are more pointless than Vantage scores. Tech has changed so much since then and the scores are now so high in 3dmark06 that its impossible to judge ANYTHING based on a number that is in the tens of thousands. How are you suposted to make any clear answer from a score of 36712 vs 35917?
March 20, 2009 12:32:31 AM

Case closed you scrub.

You have nothing.
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2009 12:33:55 AM

I think you are getting a bit confused spatholan. Check the top Vantage scores against the '06 scores and you'll see what i mean. ;) 
a b U Graphics card
March 20, 2009 12:34:28 AM

L1qu1d said:
Case closed you scrub.

You have nothing.


Try not to have nightmares over big bad 4890's coming to get you liquid lol.
March 20, 2009 12:34:30 AM

Oh yeah, and sorry to have to bring this back up again, but what if they make a 4890X2? Where will its performance lie?
March 20, 2009 12:36:02 AM

Not to mention overall scores dont even matter. Its the GPU score that "matters". PhysX dosent impact that, so whats the difference between 06 and Vantage other than DX10 and more stressing? 06 is years and years old, of course todays cards are gonna pound it.
March 20, 2009 12:38:04 AM

jennyh said:
Try not to have nightmares over big bad 4890's coming to get you liquid lol.


Childish, good job:) 

Make sure your education takes you places;)

Every1 Vantage means nothing, but 3dmark06 means something GO FORTH AND SPREAD THE WORD!!!!!!!
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