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Warning 8800 GTS and 180.xx Nvidia drivers

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March 21, 2009 11:04:59 PM

I've been running a Gainward bliss 8800 Gts 320 for almost 2 years but recently I updated to the latest Nvidia drivers along with XP sp3. I started getting graphics problems and crashing issues followed by default res and the red 'x' next to my graphic card in device manager. To cut a long story short, I swapped out my graphics card with another 8800 gts I had and it started working properly. I concluded I had a faultly card and RMA'd my card back to Gainward. Within a week I had the replacement with a hand written note stating:

'Don't use Nvidia driver above 178.xx - it will damage the card!!'

This somewhat worried me so I email their support, the reponse:

Sent: Wed Mar 18 16:26:34 2009
Subject: RE: Nvidia Drivers above 178.xx damaging card?

Hi,,

We observed that 180 series drivers are not very well compatible with NVIDIA 8000 series graphics cards. Also we received complaints from users on 8800 series graphics card after they updated to new (180 series) drivers.

New drivers may work for some time but eventually you will see some kind of errors or some compatibility issues.

The new Drivers are specially developed for latest series of Graphics card like 9800 and GTX 260 and above series.

Best Regards

Technical Support
Gainward Europe

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I've logged a call with Nvidia who are looking into it but I thought I'd mention it here.
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March 21, 2009 11:33:22 PM

an 8 series card has the same architecture as the gf9's (some of em even are just rebranded crapazoola), now i wonder what compatibility problem could arise from that other than nvidia driver-genociding their old cards lol.
March 22, 2009 9:16:32 PM

It does seem a bit strange to me but I'm not expert. Has anyone else had this problem with an 8800 GTS?
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March 22, 2009 9:34:17 PM

I had one porblem awhile back with one of the drivers it would case my system to freeze up when nvidia's settings was loaded onto the desktop but this only occured if you changed the fan speed form pvm to a set value i just rolled back the drivers and went on with it.
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March 23, 2009 11:42:19 AM

Its more or less what I've seen with my 9800GX2; it hates newer drivers.

As a rule, if the drivers work, don't touch them.
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April 22, 2009 2:47:34 PM

I have experienced the same situation with my 2 Evga 8800 GTS SSC 320MB cards and ANY driver after the last of the 178.xx series. Any driver 180.xx forward crashes/freezes my system in any game; usually at the very start. The last driver I can use is 178.24.
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April 23, 2009 2:25:47 PM

I don't have this problem with my BFG 8800GT OC 512. The current driver i have is 182.08 that i downloaded from Nvidia. That PC run crysis, Stlalker, & halflife.
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April 23, 2009 2:35:12 PM

leon2006 said:
I don't have this problem with my BFG 8800GT OC 512. The current driver i have is 182.08 that i downloaded from Nvidia. That PC run crysis, Stlalker, & halflife.

That's because your card uses a different GPU, G92 not G80.
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April 24, 2009 1:01:05 PM

Mousemonkey said:
That's because your card uses a different GPU, G92 not G80.


I believe you are spot on. The version of the GPU seems to be the culprit from what I've been reading. My cards both have the G80 and can't handle the newer drivers. The later G92s, however, seem to be immune from this anomaly. I found a report on this in the past, but I can't seem to locate it anymore.
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April 24, 2009 2:35:30 PM

It's no anomaly that the G92's work, just normal state of play for Nvidia. As the cards get older so the support tails off and some/most times the newer drivers won't recognise the older cards. The G86 is still supported by the 180.52 driver however, so hurrah for the 8400GS users out there. [:mousemonkey:3]
April 24, 2009 3:33:38 PM

I havent experienced any problem with my XFX 8800GTS 320 so far with the 180.xx drivers.touchwood. a case of"exceptions are not examples'?
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April 24, 2009 3:52:25 PM

blade47 said:
I havent experienced any problem with my XFX 8800GTS 320 so far with the 180.xx drivers.touchwood. a case of"exceptions are not examples'?

Indeed your card may well be one of the anomaly's, XFX BIOS perhaps? iirc there was something a few cards back, the 7800GTX 512/256 cards would not SLI if they were XFX ones unless you reflashed the BIOS's to match up ie 512 to 256 but this was not required if you used 7800GTX's that were not XFX's.
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April 24, 2009 8:02:37 PM

blade47 said:
I havent experienced any problem with my XFX 8800GTS 320 so far with the 180.xx drivers.touchwood. a case of"exceptions are not examples'?


Hmmm, one thing I haven't tried is removing one card and not using SLI with the newer drivers. I may try that just for the heck of it. Maybe it's just an SLI problem. However, if flatulentcow's warning is accurate maybe I should just forget it.

I have my eye on a new Evga 285GTX 1G anyway. I may have to find a good home for these two 8800GTS 320's pretty soon :) 
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May 23, 2009 5:06:40 PM

Hmmm... this is weird. Just for giggles, I tried installing the latest driver again, but this time I disabled my antivirus pgm and my firewall. I never even uninstalled the old driver first, like I usually do...

Both XP and Vista are working fine now with the new driver, as are the games that normally would crash. Could it be?
May 23, 2009 8:10:23 PM

Interesting. I'm running a 800GTS 320 myself with the newest nvidia drivers. No issues as of yet. It would be nice if they gave a reason why they proclaimed it as "unhealthy" to the series.
May 24, 2009 1:01:34 AM

hmm...I currently have an 8800gts 640mb and i have never had problems with the 180 patches, i am currently running 185.85 or something and works like a spring chicken. I am even install all the beta patches ahead and i still never have problem. Infact i noticed performance increases with the last couple patches in the 180xxx range in my games.
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