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February 26, 2009 7:51:49 PM

I was just going to upgrade a few components of my aging agp system for around $250, but after thinking about, have decided to take it a bit further.

I would like to spend about $500-$700, though less would be great, and slightly more is possible if it is worth it.

These are the components that will be carried over:
4 ide hard drives running through a pci raid card
1 optical dvd-burner(slow as heck)
Antec p182 case
Mushkin XP-650 (650W)
Dell ultra sharp 24" monitor

I would like to save money by not buying a new power supply, and the Mushkin is certified for a single radeon 4870, which I hope will be enough for now. Down the line I may go for a new power supply(ultra x3 1000w) and the 4870x2 or 295, but not now. I don't think I will ever crossfire/sli, so perhaps we can save some money on the motherboard there. If we can get a 2 slot x16 board for a reasonable increase in price, I would be willing to consider it.

I am not locked to an ATI card, I just couldn't find what nvidia cards my power supply is certified for. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

I would like the processor to be intel. Dual core is fine if it gives the best bang for the buck gaming, but quad would be nice as well.

So here's what I think I need:
CPU
kick-butt cpu cooler for overclocking(that will fit in the case and isn't super noisy)
Motherboard
Memory(is 1066 or higher worth it or should I just go with 800?)
graphics card
decent dual layer dvd burner(I will be carrying an ide dvd drive over, so might as well stick with ide for now)

Again, budget is flexible, but around $500-700 would be great. I am open to moderate to high overclock, just nothing over the top.

February 26, 2009 8:15:34 PM

What is the intended use of the computer? Do you live in the US?
February 26, 2009 8:19:41 PM

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $134.99 (plus $20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail - $187.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail - $65.99 (plus $20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail - $249.99 (plus $10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail - $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG DVD Burner - $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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This comes to around $700 is my shady math is correct - $50ish in mail in rebates puts you at about $650.
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February 26, 2009 8:26:11 PM

CPU and Mobo: $380
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU: 4870 1gb Toxic edition (this is a super deal, if it comes back in stock snag it before the price goes back up, the non-toxic is $20 more right now)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you can't get that one, then I recommend this one, comes with a light OC and cheap:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler: S1283v Dark Knight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram (just stick with 800 unless you want a super overclock, these will OC just fine.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dvd Burner:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So those recommendations are $702 + shipping - MIR if you go with the cheaper GPU, if you get the more expensive one then its $20 more.

Now I know you said you want to keep that PSU...but that one you have isn't very high quality and you will be running some upper echelon parts on it. You should really consider getting a better PSU, especially if that PSU is 3 years old or more, it will likely fail when you hook it up to a much more powerful system than it has been powering.

If you think you can spend the money, get this PSU, it is one of the best PSU's out there and is good enough to support 2 of those cards that I showed you in xfire, which you can do on that mobo I found for you. I HIGHLY recommend you upgrade this component.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


February 26, 2009 8:30:00 PM

foolycooly said:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $134.99 (plus $20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail - $187.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail - $65.99 (plus $20 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail - $249.99 (plus $10 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail - $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG DVD Burner - $24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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This comes to around $700 is my shady math is correct - $50ish in mail in rebates puts you at about $650.


Okay, few nitpicky things...
1. Get the UD3R version of the Gigabyte board if you're not going to use crossfire. It's $15 cheaper.
2. For LG 775 you only need the ddr2 800 version of the OCZ reaper. Another $15 cheaper.
3. Look for the Toxic edition of the 4870.
4. What's the point of the "dark knight" version of the xigmatek? just get the regular HDT-S1283. Another $13 cheaper.

Kid beat me to a few of these points...
February 26, 2009 8:33:35 PM

The Dark Knight Xigmatek cooler comes with the retention bracket. If you buy the HDT-S1283 you have to buy the retention bracket separately. The price comes out about the same even after the MIR. I consider the retention bracket a necessity.
February 26, 2009 8:36:09 PM

2.No...you can use it on LGA 775 if you are going for a high overclock, same story on AM2. DDR2-800 is cheaper and can OC to the same levels usually which is why we recomend it. DDR2-1066 is factory overclocked DDR2-800 and the manufacturer is guaranteeing it to run at that speed, with DDR2-800 that guarantee isn't there.

4. the dark knight version comes with the mounting bracket for extra mobo support and better contact with the CPU for cooling. However you can just buy the two separately, but you have to wait 6 weeks to get the rebate to make it cheaper than buying it bundled. I also consider it a necessity.
February 26, 2009 8:38:47 PM

The only reason why I suggested the RAM I did is because it's running for $45.99 after the MIR which I thought to be a good price.

Totally agree with what everyone else said.
February 26, 2009 8:43:27 PM

xthekidx said:
2.No...you can use it on LGA 775 if you are going for a high overclock, same story on AM2. DDR2-800 is cheaper and can OC to the same levels usually which is why we recomend it. DDR2-1066 is factory overclocked DDR2-800 and the manufacturer is guaranteeing it to run at that speed, with DDR2-800 that guarantee isn't there.

Right.

Quote:
4. the dark knight version comes with the mounting bracket for extra mobo support and better contact with the CPU for cooling. However you can just buy the two separately, but you have to wait 6 weeks to get the rebate to make it cheaper than buying it bundled. I also consider it a necessity.

Ahh.

foolycooly said:
The only reason why I suggested the RAM I did is because it's running for $45.99 after the MIR which I thought to be a good price.

The DDR2 800 version has the rebate as well.
February 26, 2009 8:50:10 PM

Thanks for all the awesome input.

Right now I am leaning towards the build from xthekidx.

I like the cpu/mb combo which gives me a quad core, and also the toxic edition graphics card.

What kind of overclock can I expect with the darkknight cooler with the cpu?

The mushkin powersupply was used for a month and then has sat in a box for about a year, it should be in decent shape. Do you really think I am risking it with the supply? I might bite the bullet and get the recommended power supply, but I hate to spend an additional $100.
February 26, 2009 9:00:03 PM

You can probably expect to get 3.8ghz I would imagine and quite possibly higher, I have heard of overclocks well above 4ghz on air cooling with that CPU, but the motherboard also becomes a limiting factor...you probably need to get a rampage edition mobo for an overclock much higher than 4 ghz and those are a couple hundred dollars more. The P5Q Pro is a great value in that combo, and with an overclock over 3.5 you will be flying.

Read this review to see how that PSU stacks up...its not that good. It looks like it would fall in the Tier 3/4 range. The ones you want to buy are Tier 1/2 if you are going to be running higher end rigs, which you could make your PC into if you invested in a better PSU. That PSU I recommended is Tier 1, and that is a great price for a PSU of that quality.

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
February 26, 2009 9:05:45 PM

Ok actually I have to take back what I recommended :/ 

For some reason it seems newegg has a shipment of high number of DOA's on that PSU, maybe something happened to the shipment...semi truck flipped over on the freeway or something, idk. Anyways, this one is just as good, same price with the MIR, only $5 more initially and its not bright red so won't clash with the rest of your system:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The reason I push this is because this will allow you to xfire later easily, the mobo has the extra slot already and having the psu capable of it makes it so easy, you just buy the card and stick it in. If you want to do this later, you will have to buy the new PSU then, which will be a pain to have to unplug an replug everything back in...so just do it now when you are rebuilding. If you don't xfire, then that PSU you have will work...but I would be nervous about it. IF a PSU fails, there is a good chance that it can damage the rest of your components in your system and take them with it to the grave. I think its always better to be safe than sorry. I love mushkin ram, but I would never buy a PSU from them.
February 26, 2009 9:32:16 PM

xthekidx said:
Read this review to see how that PSU stacks up...its not that good.


Link didn't come through, could you relink?

What about the Ultra x3 series? When I spent a ton of time researching a while back, after reading many reviews, I decided on the Ultra x3 1000 watt for my dream build. Newegg doesn't carry them but tiger direct has the Ultra X3 ULT40312 850-Watt Power Supply for $159.00. Or should I just be done with it and get the 1000 for $200? That should handle a 295 or 4870x2 if I ever went that route, right?

I would really prefer a modular power supply.

I guess I will go ahead and spend the money on a power supply, I just need to decide on which one. Any input would be great.
February 26, 2009 9:34:22 PM

Is this the PSU you have?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Here's some reviews that turn me off regarding the lifespan of that PSU...

Died after six months...

Pros: It worked fine while it worked. I loved the cable selection. Appeared to have great build quality.

Cons: I turned on my system today and heard a loud pop and immediate shut down. Checked the PS and it is dead. Six months in not much of a life span for a power supply.

Other Thoughts: I regret that I recommended this power supply to others...

dont buy

Pros: none but if you want all your stuff to brake get this

Cons: the first one i bought didnt work then the 2nd one i got worked for a sec then it powerd off and it freid my motherboard, ram, processor, video card and my hard drives and disk drives its a nightmare i dont know what happend ive been building pc's for 5 years and this is like the 40th pc a have ever built and i never had any problem like this. this computer has over $2000 worth of parts in it and this power supply has turned all of it into a paperweight

Other Thoughts: parts that were in my pc: quad core qx6800, 4 gigs of ram, 8800 gtx evga video card,2 500 gig sata 2 hard drives, a dvd burner and a dvd drive.

i dont know what happend to cause this problem i think the ps just sent to much volt to each part and im never buying a mushkin product agian i dont recomend this ps mabey i was just unlucky but i would go with the silverstone 750 watt modular one only #30# more and its better a better product
and also i was not to happy with the mushkin support they want you to email them first then they give you a case number then you can call them :( ((

February 26, 2009 10:05:03 PM

Looks like the toxic edition is out of stock at newegg. I guess I will wait for it to come back in stock.

Since I might go with a bigger power supply, what card would be a good match for the rest of the system?

Here's what I have decided to go with right now:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield 2.83GHz LGA 775 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80569Q9550 - Retail
ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail
OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR10664GK - Retail
LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black IDE Model GH22NP20 - OEM

That puts me at $500.

What would be a good $300-$350 card? Is it worth it to spend more? I hate to keep bumping my budget, but, whatever. I might as well go all the way.
February 26, 2009 10:10:53 PM

The Ultra 1000w would be able to handle dual gtx 295's or 4870x2's, but to use the GTX 295's you would need to jump platforms to the x58 chipset. The Ultra looks like a good option if you can find a good price on it.
February 26, 2009 10:12:27 PM

chedderslam1 said:
anything wrong with this memory? The tom's hardware review said it is very overclockable:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or would the ocz reaper be a better buy?

Only thing wrong with it is its overpriced. The ones I showed you are a better value I think. Crucial Ballistix are great ram though.
February 26, 2009 10:15:17 PM

lol...how could I have forgotten.

+1 to the kid. I suck lately :p 
February 26, 2009 10:37:41 PM

Honestly though, you don't need that big of a PSU...1000w is only for if you want to go with 2 4870x2's in xfire. Your monitor doesn't require that, all that extra power will be wasted, as well as the money you spend on it. That would only be worth it if you buy a 30" monitor (very pricey,will cost you at least $700). I would say you can go with that 700w Seasonic and the 4850x2 and that will probably be plenty. Get an 850w PSU from a good brand (Corsair, seasonic, Ultra x3, PC P&C, Antec) and that would be enough for 2 4850x2 cards in xfire in a couple years when the 4850x2 doesn't quite cut it. By then though, you will probably want to update the rest of your system to the new platform that comes out (AM4 LGA 1156 or whatever). I think the 700w + 4850x2 is probably the best thing for you. That would allow you to upgrade to the 4870x2 if you wanted.

If you wouldn't upgrade to that 4870x2, then I suggest you get this PSU for modular, which will be enough for 1 4850x2:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or this one if you can cope with non-modular:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

lol sorry if you feel a bit overwhelmed with all this info, but its worth taking the time to sift through all the options since you want this rig to last.
February 27, 2009 2:44:15 AM

xthekidx said:

lol sorry if you feel a bit overwhelmed with all this info, but its worth taking the time to sift through all the options since you want this rig to last.


No, no, keep it coming! I love this stuff and I'm having fun. I'm a total geek and I am having a blast. I've been wanting a new system for quite some time and I'm finally able to afford it so this is great. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help.

I'm really pulled to the x3 line, I don't know why. So really my two choices are either the Ultra X3 850-Watt and the 1000 watt. The reason I'm leaning towards the 1000 is that it is $200, only $40 more than the 850. It's worth it to me to have the extra breathing room and the option to go to a more powerful card/cards down the line.

I'm a little concerned about the 4850x2. Really, I would like to avoid dual gpu cards unless I go to the top of the line 4870x2 or 295. Also, a few write ups about the 4850x2 complain about the noise. I know cards this powerful will probably be a bit noisy though, so it's not a deal breaker. Maybe once we figure out the card you guys could recommend a good after market gpu cooler?

We haven't touched on Nvidia solutions. Maybe a 280 or 285?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The 285 is actually cheaper than the 280. I thought the 285 was the faster card? I've always liked evga and have wanted one of their cards for quite a while. Also, both cards come with the call of duty game which I would want so that's a bonus.

I kind of want to buy ATI since they are the underdog and it supports competition in the industry but I think nvidia has nicer stuff. Either way is good.

So the 4870 toxic, 4870x2, or the 280/285? I don't think I want to go all the way and get a 295, too much money. The 285 is almost a hundred more than the 4870 toxic, is it worth it? I am just worried about getting decent frame rates at native resolution on the 24" monitor. Will the 4870 toxic be able to get high fps?

I am leaning towards a single gpu solution. Will the motherboard we picked sli and crossfire or is it ati only?

February 27, 2009 3:14:34 AM

The only reliable and stable platform for SLI is x58, which costs about $200 more for almost no performance gain compared to P45 in games. P45 can only xfire if you want multiple GPU's, but can also run a single Nvidia card. The reason I have been pushing ATI is because your mobo is xfire capable, so if you get ATI you can just add another card, instead of buying a whole new card. For a 24", the 4870 1gb will probably be a little lacking when it comes to FPS games, which is why I suggested the 4850x2. A 4870x2 would be plenty for your setup. If you wanted a single GPU setup, then the GTX 285 would be the best option, as it is the most powerful single GPU card out there. 1920x1200 is an awkward resolution for a single GPU setup, I would recommend getting a dual GPU setup for that monitor if you want to play all your games with the eye-candy turned all the way up.
February 27, 2009 11:40:41 AM

Ok, it makes sense to go with ati because of the motherbaord. I will probably go with the 4850x2 or 4870x2, not sure yet. Toms hardware charts don't show the 4850x2 but I would suppose it would be close to the 4850 cf. From the charts, I don't know if the extra money for the 4870x2 is worth it. If I get the 4850x2 and decide to go a bit more powerful, I suppose I could always sell it or something. I need to look at prices and make up my mind.

I am wondering if I will be ok with the case now. The p182 is something I just bought from newegg with the agp card I plan on returning, I could return it as well. I have heard good things about the haf case. Would it be worth upgrading to? Or would I be ok with the p182?
February 27, 2009 5:20:18 PM

The P182 is a case that is meant to keep things quiet and it sports a very modest outer appearance. Its a decent case, but its not really meant for a gaming case.

Here is one of my favorite cases, the other is the HAF.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So since you are willing to go for a different case...I would get this combo if you thought you liked that case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

And then get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

That gives you a free kit of ram basically when you do the rebates.
February 27, 2009 6:10:41 PM

xthekidx said:
The P182 is a case that is meant to keep things quiet and it sports a very modest outer appearance. Its a decent case, but its not really meant for a gaming case.


Well, I'm looking for something a bit understated, not too flashy. Quiet is good, as long as the air flow will allow me to overclock a bit. My only concern with the p182 is that the large graphics card(s) will fit in there with my four hard drives. I've already ordered the p182, so I would have to pay a restocking and return shipping fee anyways, so I should probably keep it. I will look at it when it gets here and see if I like it.

xthekidx said:

And then get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

That gives you a free kit of ram basically when you do the rebates.


I like the price on the motherboard and ram combo. I'm just not sure about the motherboard as of yet. I wouldn't mind spending a bit more on the motherboard at this point. One of my concerns is that the board drops down to 8x when going crossfire. Would it be worth it to get a board that supports the full 16x during crossfire? I think the price on your suggested motherboard is great and you were working in my original budget, I'm just wondering if I would limit myself with the board. Would it make sense to step up to a better board that allows better overclocking and supports the 16x? I tried to browse the motherboards on newegg but I don't know which chipset to go with and some of the boards were in the $300 range which seems a bit much.

After reading the article about the GPU scaling and seeing the real world numbers for frame rates, I'm starting to go back to your original suggestion of the 4870 toxic edition. The 4850x2 was mentioned in a positive way in the article, but I came across something that made me rethink my strategy for the graphics card upgrade path. I was reading a review on newegg where the person mentioned doing a three way crossfire with a single 4850 and a 4850x2. Would this work for the 4870 and a 4870x2? I could get the 4870 now and when the 4870x2 drops in price add that to the system. Will that give me a 3 way xfire setup down the line?

Again, thanks for all the help. I'm really excited about my system and can't wait to order all this stuff.
February 27, 2009 7:39:07 PM

The difference between two x16 links and 1x16 and 1x8 link in the PCIE slots isn't going to hurt performance very much, you may get 5% or less reduced performance out of the slave card in the x8 link than if you had two at x16. The slave card won't be running at its full potential because of scaling, and so the x8 bandwidth is usually enough. For the price of two x16 PCIE slots in crossfire, It's not worth it IMO. The Gigabyte UD3P would be the next step up I would recommend going for the mobo if you want extra overclocking headroom, and going above that gets very expensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can run a 4870x2 and a 4870 in triple xfire I believe, however I think that you have to have them all running at the same speed (could be wrong about this) that means that the overclock on the toxic edition GPU might cause problems down the road when you get an x2 card, unless you get an overclocked x2 as well. You could of course overclock the x2 card to match the toxic, but those things generate a lot of heat and you would probably need an aftermarket cooler if you overclocked it for it to keep your temps reasonable, and that will cost $50 or more.

Honestly though, I think you would have plenty of firepower with a single x2 card, be it the 4850 or 4870.

That Sniper case is very quiet too, the fans make almost no noise at all, you won't hear them unless you press you ear right up to the side of the case. The P182 does a better job of muffling the sound of your other components, the Sniper sacrifices this for EXCELLENT cooling with the mesh sides.
February 27, 2009 8:28:46 PM

xthekidx said:
The Gigabyte UD3P would be the next step up I would recommend going for the mobo if you want extra overclocking headroom, and going above that gets very expensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Cool, I was looking at that board today. I think I will go with it for the build. One more component off the list! Yay!

xthekidx said:
You can run a 4870x2 and a 4870 in triple xfire I believe, however I think that you have to have them all running at the same speed (could be wrong about this) that means that the overclock on the toxic edition GPU might cause problems down the road when you get an x2 card, unless you get an overclocked x2 as well. You could of course overclock the x2 card to match the toxic, but those things generate a lot of heat and you would probably need an aftermarket cooler if you overclocked it for it to keep your temps reasonable, and that will cost $50 or more.


My understanding is that in the case of mismatched clocks, the higher clocked card slows down to the slower cards clock. Is this correct? I think it was in the sticky from the tom's hardware video card forum. Here it is:

"What will happend if 2 cards have the same amount of memory but one has higher clocks than the other?
One of the best ways to learn is to make examples.
You have a 8800GT(Normal edition,no OverClocks) and you want to add another 8800GT(Which is OverClocked),then:

1_The OverClocked one will lower its clocks to reach the Non-OverClocked card.

2_You can OverClock your card(The one that has Stock frequencies) and reach the OverClocked card.
Remember, you cant ALWAYS OverClock the normal card to reach the other card,because it may not OverClock that much and may become unstable.

WARNING:There are many exceptions in Computer Hardware, for example "Mousemonkey" a member of this forum has told me that when he puts his ASUS 7900GT card (Which is at stock speeds) with a XFX 7900GT(A OverClocked card) the ASUS one raise its clock to reach the XFX one which is an exception and as i said exceptions are alot in Computer Hardware. "

I am a little concerned about the possibility of the 4870x2 bumping up its clock speed too high, even though that would be the exception to the rule. I assume I could manually verify the clock speeds and scale them back on the two cards as required. Of course, at the point I get to where I need to buy the 4870x2, I could probably spring for aftermarket cooling for it.

Since I can add a 4870x2 down the line, I think I will go with the 4870 toxic. Now if only newegg would get them back in stock... How long does it usually take for them to get more? They just had some yesterday.

xthekidx said:

That Sniper case is very quiet too, the fans make almost no noise at all, you won't hear them unless you press you ear right up to the side of the case. The P182 does a better job of muffling the sound of your other components, the Sniper sacrifices this for EXCELLENT cooling with the mesh sides.


I do like the looks of the sniper case. The newegg order of the p182 was delivered today so I will give it a look after work and see if I like it.
February 27, 2009 9:05:03 PM

Yeah the two cards have to run at the same speed, I wasn't aware all cards would adjust automatically to match speeds, but that takes care of that problem.

It depends on the availability of the item for the time it takes them to restock it. This is the first time I have seen those toxics go out of stock, so I have no idea how long it will take them to get more
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