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February 27, 2009 2:55:03 PM

Right now I'm looking at the following build, trying to stay under $600 with shipping as much as I can. Total on these is $540.94.

CASE: NZXT Guardian 921
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PS: Rosewill RG530-2 530W 80Plus Bronze Certified
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

VID: Sapphire Radeon 4830
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD: Seagate 500GB SATA

RAM: A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: AMD Phenom II X3 710

MB: Gigabyte MA770-UD3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I really like the layout of the MA770, but although it is AM3 compatible with a bios update, I don't know if they are shipping with the update in place now. I vastly prefer a full ATX board to a mATX where possible.

SJ

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February 27, 2009 3:28:56 PM

I'd replace the PSU with a PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610W, it's only $10 more after rebate. Not so much because you'd need more power (49A instead of 41A), but because it's more reliable.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005

I remember reading somewhere that Newegg will update the BIOS for you on request. I have no idea if it's true. (I'm in Canada and they won't ship outside the USA.) Ask them.
February 27, 2009 4:11:12 PM

Thanks.. I'll have to look into that..
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February 27, 2009 6:11:00 PM

Gaming?
February 27, 2009 6:13:54 PM

Low level gaming.. I play LOTRO and I'll want to play Diablo III.. I dont play anything that I really feel the need to OC for.. Sure it would be nice to crank LOTRO up to max settings now and then, but I dont need to have it on full time..
February 27, 2009 6:16:56 PM

Okay, then nevermind.
The X3 is good but a Dual core can be better for gaming, like you could get the 7750, for $60+ cheaper, and with that money get a 4870 instead.

But anyway, everything seems good. Maybe a PC P&C or Antec PSU. Otherwise all looks good
February 27, 2009 6:18:37 PM

Diablo 3 prefers ATI cards because it uses Havok.

Whether the HD 4830 is fast enough, we'll see. Blizzard promised to "make it work well on mainstream graphics cards", but "work well" and "mainstream card" are ambiguous terms, and the mainstream card of 2010 (when Diablo 3 will be out) may be much faster than today's HD 4870X2 or GTX 295. At worst, get a $200 card in 2010, then you should match Blizzard's recommendation. Personally I have an 8800GTX, which is quite comparable with the HD 4830 in speed, and I intend to get that $200 ATI card next year. Diablo 2 is my favorite game, so Diablo 3 is important for me too :) 

February 27, 2009 6:21:44 PM

Yeah 7750 would be good idea for saving money and then get a better gfx card like 4850 and mobo and also a better psu. Then get a 720 BE or 925 when you have enough money.

Also what resolution monitor are you using because if you are using anything above 1680x1050 then get the 1gb version of the 4850.
February 27, 2009 6:22:38 PM

aevm said:
Diablo 3 prefers ATI cards because it uses Havok.

Whether the HD 4830 is fast enough, we'll see. Blizzard promised to "make it work well on mainstream graphics cards", but "work well" and "mainstream card" are ambiguous terms, and the mainstream card of 2010 (when Diablo 3 will be out) may be much faster than today's HD 4870X2 or GTX 295. At worst, get a $200 card in 2010, then you should match Blizzard's recommendation. Personally I have an 8800GTX, which is quite comparable with the HD 4830 in speed, and I intend to get that $200 ATI card next year. Diablo 2 is my favorite game, so Diablo 3 is important for me too :) 


Is D3 really not coming out until 2010? I thought D3 and SC2 were in the final stages... :cry: 
February 27, 2009 6:51:15 PM

Well, I'm expecting D3 in 2010. There are rumors about September 2009, but nothing official.

Besides, even official dates may slip, that's the software business. It's one of the hardest fields to do project management in. I know because I'm struggling with it myself. Mind you, my project is smaller than D3, and still I can't predict when I'll be done with any accuracy :) 

Blizzard in particular prefers to delay a product and test it and fix it properly, rather than rushing out a piece of junk (like Hellgate developers did).
February 27, 2009 7:13:26 PM

What MB would you recommend then for the 7750?
February 27, 2009 7:14:43 PM

aevm said:
Well, I'm expecting D3 in 2010. There are rumors about September 2009, but nothing official.

Besides, even official dates may slip, that's the software business. It's one of the hardest fields to do project management in. I know because I'm struggling with it myself. Mind you, my project is smaller than D3, and still I can't predict when I'll be done with any accuracy :) 

Blizzard in particular prefers to delay a product and test it and fix it properly, rather than rushing out a piece of junk (like Hellgate developers did).


I'm am SOO waiting for the beta.. I have 3 friends who work for Blizzard and at least one of them is working on D3.. so far I don't think I have achieved the proper level of begging and cookie sacrifices necessary..
February 27, 2009 7:17:53 PM

Helloworld_98 said:
Yeah 7750 would be good idea for saving money and then get a better gfx card like 4850 and mobo and also a better psu. Then get a 720 BE or 925 when you have enough money.

Also what resolution monitor are you using because if you are using anything above 1680x1050 then get the 1gb version of the 4850.



I'm only running at 1280 x 1024 on my 19" Viewsonic.. I should be able to get by with 512Mb I think...

Also, by the time I'm ready to upgrade again I think the 720 BE or 925 will be outdated.. I could probably spend the extra $$$ now on he 720, it isnt that much more expensive.. I'm still running on my AMD 3200+ with 1GB and an ATI 850XT AGP right now, so that should tell you how often I upgrade my system.. *chuckle* Although I've been needing an upgrade for a while.. money just hasnt been available...
February 28, 2009 12:29:08 AM

i agree, better PSU. rosewill arnt delivering clean power and often fail at the rated power they are supposed to deliver ....

Corsair is one off the best. OCZ and PC P&C are really good too. Seasonic is nice too (lots of PSU have seasonic parts ...)

If you save few box on a X" CPU, take this monn=ey on a 4870 512. nice card !

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 50$
this ram is REALLY better ... a-data is value ram.

PC Power & Cooling S61EPS 610W 99.99$ (69.94$ after MIR)
nice PSU for not that much.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz 63.50$
the money you save here is enough for the rest and a 4850 or 4870 !



February 28, 2009 4:15:26 AM

If I bought the X3, I dont know that I would set it for Quad use.. I havent seen enough to show its stable and available on all X3's, and I dont overclock anyhow so squeezing the other core out would seem like overkill if a dual core is all I really need.

I wouldn't want a mATX board and standard mATX case though.. I can drop the HD to 250, but it seemed like taking it up to 500GB was only another $10 or $15..
February 28, 2009 4:20:12 AM

aevm said:
The HD 4870 512MB is about 20% faster than the HD 4850 512MB. I hope that helps you decide between those two options. I guess it depends on how demanding your favorite games are.


The only thing that really makes me pause about going from the 4670 to the 4870 is I liked the fact the 4670 has a low power and space requirement which helped to keep the PSU smaller.. it makes logical sense though to grab as much GPU as I can so the system remains relevant for longer until I need to upgrade the GPU again..

I'll toss all the suggestions together and see where it puts me.. maybe I'll have enough left to get a fun keyboard..
February 28, 2009 7:32:29 AM

if you spent the extra for a crossfire board then you could get 2 4830's since they scale very well, are equal to or better than a GTX 280 and are about the same price as a 4870.
February 28, 2009 7:54:53 AM

Hmm i think your gaming needs are modest and reading back for 19" 1280 x 1024 a HD4670 would do but a HD4830 would be better :p  Well for the unlocking of tri core to quad: yes they have run tests and even OC all 4 cores :p 
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?p=...

Quote:
Combo's "said" to work".

CPU: 0904CPMW
MoBo: Asrock AOD790GX/128MB
--> Success

CPU: 0904EPMW
MoBo: Biostar 790GX XE
--> Success

CPU: 0904BPMW
MoBo: Biostar TA790GX 128M
--> Success

CPU: 0904CPMW
MoBo: Gigabyte MA790GP-DS4H
--> Success

CPU: 0904CPCW
MoBo: Biostar TA790A GX2
--> Success

CPU: 0904EPMW
MoBo: Asus M3A78-T
--> Failure

CPU: 0904CPMW
MoBo: Asus M3A78-T
--> Failure

CPU: 0904CPCW
MoBo: Jetway HA07
--> Failure

March 2, 2009 3:36:49 PM

I think I nailed the final list down... (now that all my combo deals expired over the weekend )


OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Active PFC Power Supply -

ASRock A780GXE/128M AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G ATX AMD Motherboard

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

NZXT Guardian 921 CS-NT-GD921-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model AD775ZWCGHBOX

SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #:100245L
March 2, 2009 3:56:12 PM

don't get the 7200.11's they are the one's with firmware issues.
March 2, 2009 4:00:39 PM

Oh.. wasnt aware of that. I'll swap that out then.. hows the rest look?
March 2, 2009 4:16:01 PM

The build is looking pretty good. I don't think I'd get an ASRock motherboard, though. If you're looking for a full ATX 780G board, I'd check this one out:

GIGABYTE GA-MA780G-UD3H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99

I'd also swap the Seagate for one of these:

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99
March 2, 2009 4:18:37 PM

I really liked the Gigabyte board, but do I need to worry abut vid card length and the chipset heatsink or IDE controller socket?
March 2, 2009 4:23:32 PM

You should be fine. Worst case is that you might lose 2 SATA ports with a long GPU installed. The IDE slot is high enough to access even with a long GPU installed. The GPU should clear the Southbridge heatsink just fine since it's a very low-profile heatsink. I've had great luck with Gigabyte boards lately.
March 4, 2009 4:44:56 PM

Okay.. I think I'm settled on this, but with the supposed 4870 drop coming any day now, I may wait until the weekend.. Will I need to upgrade the PSU for a 4870? I know the sapphire takes 2x6 and the PSU I have only has 1x6+2, I can use an adapter, but is that the best road to take?

NZXT Guardian 921 CS-NT-GD921-B Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

GIGABYTE GA-MA780G-UD3H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

SAPPHIRE 100245L Radeon HD 4850 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card

OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS 500W ATX12V / EPS12V Active PFC Power Supply

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-8500CL5D-4GBPK

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 95W Dual-Core black edition Processor Model AD775ZWCGHBOX
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 64 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
March 4, 2009 6:00:46 PM

If you can afford the upgrade to HD 4870, why not do it. Nothing wrong with using an adapter.

I read somewhere that they should drop to $149 (and the HD 4850 to $129). The Sapphire version with 512MB is $165 right now at Newegg, and there's a HIS for $160 after rebate. There's a PowerColor HD 4870 512MB at $150 already, but I don't know enough about that brand to trust it yet.
March 4, 2009 6:04:27 PM

Well since the 4870 will be the same price I was going to be paying for the 4850, I'll obviously go that route.. I'm not in a hurry and my brother's wedding is taking up most of my weekend anyhow, so waiting for the price drop wont kill me...

Okay it may sting a little until I get rid of this AMD 3200+ socket 754..
March 5, 2009 1:33:50 AM

OMG! What's with all these AMD builds on this thread :pfff:  Just because your on a tight budget doesn't mean you have to go that ghetto. :non:  Intel to the rescue. :)  If your going to play Diablo...do it in (intel) style. :sol: 

Just by moving up your FSB to (11.5 x 266) you can get 3.0GHz @ 1066 FSB out of that chip. That case has excellent airflow and plenty of room, the vid card is a 4870, and that PSU is new to the market and it has great specs...plenty of juice to push that card and then some.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811119152 $59.99
COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum & Mesh bezel / SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retaill

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - Product of preference with 2 Oz Copper PCB & DualBIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819116072 $72.99 Free Shipping*
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820231209 $44.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $159.99 ($149.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)
HIS Hightech H487FN512P Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136074 $54.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827136152 $22.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

Total: $565.92 (not including shipping and rebates)

*optional items

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $24.99 ($19.99 after $5.00 Mail-In Rebate)
XIGMATEK HDT-S963 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $6.99
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retai
March 5, 2009 3:03:09 PM

I think I'll end up going with a cheap, backup case until this comes out next month:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/920/1/

Keeps me from having to replace all the fans with red LEDs and have the inside powder coated..

And if I'm not planning on doing any OC, whats the advantage of a E5200 over a 7750?
March 5, 2009 3:18:44 PM

Nice case. I like the 8.6" width, that would allow even huge coolers to fit in. Handles are a neat idea too :) 

E5200 vs 7750: if you don't OC, the AMD is faster. Intel's most expensive CPUs beat AMD's most expensive CPUs, but when it comes to the lower price range AMD is quite competitive.
March 5, 2009 3:22:00 PM

From what I'm reading there's no reason not to do minor OC with how simple it is now, would the 7750 still be faster with some baby OC'ing?
March 5, 2009 3:34:19 PM

LOL, you're agonizing too much over this. The difference is really too small to worry about. If you overclock the E5200 as far as possible then it makes a visible difference and the E5200 is definitely the better deal. If you overclock only a bit or not at all then the two CPUs are equal for all practical purposes. They trade blows in benchmarks, with differences of a few fps either way which are too small to notice.

Here are some charts:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2008/12/22/athlon-x2-7750-vs-intel-e5200-oc-review/4
March 5, 2009 3:38:37 PM

Thanks.. thats just the chart I was looking for...

and yeah I keep thinking too much LOL..

I can get most of the parts locally at MicroCenter since they match NewEgg prices.. but the Vid card is going to have to get ordered.. no one here has the price drop on the 4870 yet its still $224.. tax and shipping are roughly equal..
March 5, 2009 8:20:00 PM

samuraijack69 said:
From what I'm reading there's no reason not to do minor OC with how simple it is now, would the 7750 still be faster with some baby OC'ing?


Well with the AMD's you get those cool colorful mobo's that look like they were made with lego's and by such brand names as ASrock, and Biostar....or even better yet, those neeto micro boards that AMD people crave....along with their $25 budget cases with the bright flashy lights plastic side windows, and crap air flow/ventilation/cooling.

Ok, I will shut up now. :) 

But on another note, both rigs run about even. That one I posted has a great psu and vid card. People are getting clocks of 3.5 on that E5200, but even a mild overclock to 3.16 on that cpu is a deal. :) 

All these builds here though are decent enough. You can always take something from one build, and add it to another ...if it works.
March 5, 2009 8:23:59 PM

Yeah I really liked the modular PSU you posted.. so I snagged that...

Sapphire 4870's just came down to within $5 of the HIS, any significant difference between manufacturers?

I picked up an Antec 300 for $44 today locally to hold me over until the other case hits the market in April..
March 5, 2009 8:27:30 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... <--- I really like the heatpipe set up they have on that card as far as cooling goes. MSI cards run something similiar, and those cards always had good temps, so I'm guessing these Sapphires run pretty cool also. Nice looking card btw.
March 5, 2009 8:56:34 PM

If your interested in a 7750, im replacing mine with a 940 here at latest by monday and would be glad to get rid of it cheaper than newegg would theirs.

(YOU CAN EVEN HAVE MY 940 COOLER lol.)
March 6, 2009 7:41:05 PM

Pulled the trigger for everything but the CPU.. and now we wait.. thanks for all the help everyone
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