Catalyst OC fine, Windows Experience crashes. Why?

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Tweaking my HD 5770 I'm able to basically max it at 960/1440 without exceeding 67c.

Two problems:
1) Every time I run the Windows Experience Index it crashes (didn't crash at the default factory OC settings where it scored a 7.4).

2) Everytime I hit a key on my keyboard my second monitor (DVI to VGA adapter) flashes at the new higher settings.

Is this a sign that I've pushed things too far? If I've pushed things too far why is my temp reading so low?

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You should use furmark to find your maximal clock core. It stresses the GPU at 100% and once you get artifacts (run it for 6 mins), lower your core of 5Mhz.
I run Unigine and 3dMark to seek some artifacts. Then I play game and if I get artifacts, I lower the clock again...

Watchout for temperature on furmark!

Also you should be using MSI afterburner... I heard CCC was failing at OC (beside the clock limit).

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Update: After some trial and error I was able to get Windows Experience Index to run at 910/1365. I guess that's the top I should use. The keyboard screen flicker went away at 950/1425.

Still confused as to why the ATI test would succeed and the WEI test would fail?

Now I've picked a 1.5x for the core to the memory, even though I might be able to eek out a bit more speed on one or the other. The theory being a non-even multiple (not that 2:3 is exactly even) doesn't really buy you much. Can anyone confirm or dispute that theory?

The untweaked card pulled down a 7.4 WEI in video. The tweaked settings pull down a 7.4 WEI in video. Seems like a lot of time was just spent accomplishing a negligible effect.
 

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You should use furmark to find your maximal clock core. It stresses the GPU at 100% and once you get artifacts (run it for 6 mins), lower your core of 5Mhz.
I run Unigine and 3dMark to seek some artifacts. Then I play game and if I get artifacts, I lower the clock again...

Watchout for temperature on furmark!

Also you should be using MSI afterburner... I heard CCC was failing at OC (beside the clock limit).
 
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Ran Afterburner and Furmark, 910/1366 was stable for 360s, but started artifacting shortly thereafter at 94c. I tried to make it to 10 minutes, but crashed at 585s@96c.

Everyone says to watch the core temp, but I haven't seen anyone tell me what temp is too high.

Letting the system cool a bit while I do something else. Then I'll try out 900/1350 for another six minutes and see what that does to the temp.

Assuming that's stable, what did I figure out? The max core or the max memory speed? The more I think about it, the more I think stability is more valuable than FPS or WEI.
 

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You may have a bad overclocker also... There`s no normal core/mem clock as every chip aren`t exactly the same!
Temperature is an instability factor, you lower it, you increase the stability. Thus, you can use higher clock until you reach a stability limit!

Just did a fast google research:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/10/12/amd_ati_radeon_hd_5770_5750_review/7
I think 100C is the max temp for the core... I don`t have a 5770 but I know that my card (5870) can survive at 110-120C so I guess they`re made to support higher temps! I`d say that 90C is safe as they`re running at that temp on that review.
 

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It's a new build with a new card and a new driver, so I can't speak to earlier drivers. The drivers I'm using are up to date, I think. GIGABYTE GV-R577SO-1GD, Windows 7 64-bit. CCC 2010.0302.2233.40412, which I thought was AKA 10.9. Drivers are 8.762.0.0 8/3/2010.

With Furmark 10.7 (I couldn't get 10.82 to work) I was able to push the GPU to 94C at 1920x1200 for 400s at 890/1335. Stability is compromised above that, at least once the GPU gets hot.

Just turned on it's sitting at 49C and I could probably abuse it for a few minutes before melting the case. Now I have no external heat in my mancave, so perhaps a fast GPU is my best option to keep warm this winter, but I was looking for something more romantic like a gas fireplace, but don't tell my wife.

Update: Just finished Furmark at 920/1380 (which it booted to) for 600 seconds at 1920x1200 with no problems. Final GPU 89C. I guess I'll keep it here until a game crashes on me, then I'll back it down some. I must have pushed too hard last night and it took some down time to recover.

Furmark 10.7 is returning an average of 42fps. The best test I had was 44fps, but that crashed at 585s. Close, but I'd prefer a system that doesn't crash.

Just for fun I ran Furmark against my old PCI/AGP based system (2GPU) and it clocked 2-3fps on PCI 1024x768. That was out of an overclocked GeForce 6200. The AGP was a Radeon 9600, but that didn't seem to want to let Afterburner play with the settings. No big, I've moved on.

In conclusion, I have a system that isn't quite as fast as Cjavascript:%20validform(this);CC says is safe, but I have a stable system and I'm happy.