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Radeon HD4850/4870 or GeForce 250?

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March 29, 2009 1:59:45 AM

After hours on agonizing over which card to buy, I finally settle on 9800 GTX+ only to find out that I should have brought out my trusty old ruler in the beginning. At 10.5 inches long, it doesn't fit in my case. :cry: 

So now, I need to decide between Radeon HD 4850 or 4870 and the Geforce GTS 250. Newegg has an ASUS 4870 (512mb) for $135 after rebate which sounds like a killer deal but the newegg reviews on the product aren't pretty. The reviews on the 4850 aren't great either.
The reviews on the GTS are okay.

I would think that the 4870 is an upgrade over the GTS250, am I right?

Which one is the best card?

Thanks for your help.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 2:57:43 AM

GTS250 = 9800GTX/GTX+ ~ ATI4850

ATI4870 ~ GTX260

March 29, 2009 3:09:01 AM

If hook up to TV nvidia all the way people seem to have less problems with that else i'd just go by game performance in certain and price.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 3:12:37 AM

The GTS250 is just a renamed 9800GTX, so it won't fit in your case either. The 4870s and 4850s are also rather long cards. The Gigabyte 4850s with the funky grey cooler have a custom PCB that's a little shorter and uses a little less power so that may fit into your case.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 3:14:02 AM

if your case is too small then heads up that the card has enough cooling for your case - small case = not for gaming (most of the time)
March 29, 2009 3:33:59 AM

GTS 250 is a little more then 9800GTX ones made to stock are shorter and only use 1 pcie 6 pin which is 9 inches in length... This usually wont count those with custom coolers shoved on them or the ssc editions XFX super ultra black clock w.e
March 29, 2009 4:38:13 AM

don't know why newegg has bad reviews on the ATI cards the 4870 is one of the best cards around
March 29, 2009 4:46:25 AM

newegg has 73% giving the card 5 stars, wouldn't say that was bad
March 29, 2009 4:56:25 AM

Just became it's newegg doesn't meant he computer builder has intelligence. About 1/4th of all of those comments should be removed and are wrongfully place esp in the ram section where ppl expected OC ram like 1066 to run native on their mobo's without setting the settings themselves. 90% of all computer problems are between the chair and the keyboard.
March 29, 2009 9:06:58 AM

^^ +1
March 29, 2009 3:03:45 PM

I bought that card for 134 AR from asus. It's great. The cooler does a good job. Picture quality is fantastic. Came from 3870.

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March 29, 2009 5:22:35 PM

I appreciate the comments and info. Now I would def consider the ASUS 4870 except for the fact that it only gives me about 1/2 inch between the end of the board and the rack that holds the hard drive. I'm concerned about air flow.

Is 1/2 inch enough clearance or am I going to have overheating problems? I have one fan (other than the CPU fan) but there isn't any room for a larger one. I guess the main problem I'm having is case size.

"if your case is too small then heads up that the card has enough cooling for your case - small case = not for gaming (most of the time)"

I can change out a video card and PSU but I'm not ready to move from one case to another (install a mobo!) so I guess I need to find a card that fits my case.

Are there shorter cards of the same caliber as the 9800 GTX+ or 4870? Also does anyone have the dimensions for that card? I know it's 9.5 X 4.376 but how thick is it - as in how much space you need between the pci-e slots?
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 5:49:49 PM

The 4870 should be fine, as it collects air and pushes it all out the back of your case. Case fans should handle any radiant heat from the card
March 29, 2009 5:55:03 PM

sounds good! Now I just need to know if it will fit between the pci-e slots. I can't just buy it and try it because Newegg has a limited return on that particular card.
March 29, 2009 5:56:18 PM

um, I guess I should mention that I went to ASUS site and the only dimensions they give is 9.5 X 4.376 which doesn't tell me how thick the card is.
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 6:03:43 PM

Youll need 2 open slots in the back of your case, one aligns with the pci slot, another youll need below it, as its there where all the air is blown out from the card out the back of your case thru that slot
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 6:07:43 PM

Whats your rigs name, or case?
March 29, 2009 6:43:43 PM

It's a gateway GM5478 (aka lemon) but I do have 2 slots available. I just looked and realized that I have (what I think) is a TV card that I don't think I'm using that could be removed for more room.

The only specs I could find for thickness was 37mm but it wasn't the ASUS brand. If it's only 37mm it will just fit in the two slots.

In your opinion, am I okay with the ASUS 4870?
a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2009 6:56:41 PM

If you have the lower slot, it should be fine, as its almost always the length that is the problem when fitting a card in a case, tho they do make whats called low profile cards for such situations . Id guess a lil more than 1 1/2 inches for the thickness on the card. The motherboards are usually laid out in such a way as to accomodate things such as this, as there are standards for it

PS Its usually something from the case itself thats the obstruction
March 29, 2009 7:55:02 PM

Thanks! I think I'll go for it.
March 29, 2009 8:12:59 PM

if you ask me i would cut a hole in the side of the case for a fan, i have a friend with a medion with one fan with a nvidia 6600 and you cant touch the thing without burning your finger, dont know why the thing still runs