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Hi all,


i have a smal (well not sure tbh :( problem)). when im playing a game (COD WAW, bf2, crysis, FC2 or any other) my FPS are always around 30-60 to 90FPS. now im not sure if its a CPU bottle neck or a GPU problem.


my specs:

Intel Core 2 quad Q6600 65NM G0 @ 2.4 ghz gonna try it @ 3.5 Ghz
Asus maximus Formula
Team Xtreem Dark 800 mhz 4 gig
Asus EAH4870X2 TOP 2 gig GDDR5 both cores : GPU 800Mhz memory 1000Mhz tested @ stock and the OC
Corsair XT750W
Scythe Mugen CPU cooler
Windows XP pro 32 bit
LG FLatron wide 20.1" (1680*1050) main screen
Acer AL1717 17" (1280*1024) secondary screen


might it be the CPU beeing a bottle neck that im beter of whit a Q9550 @ 2.83 or higher?


btw how big is the fabracation proces of Q9550 only 45NM ?

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if i would place a Intel Core™ 2 Quad Q9650 3,00 GHz would it be any beter?

Reply to ice_killer

Perhaps you are expecting too much, no?

What FPS do you get in FC2 at 16 x 10 with ultra settings.

I just ran the small ranch benchmark and got 43min, 80max and 58 average.

If you run it yourself you could get an idea of what a clock boost would give you.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

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Reply to strangestranger

well i can expect soem thing beter out of X2 or not ? i personly think that a 4870X2 can preform more then 100 FPS in bf2, my little brother has the 4870 512MB znd he easy shoots over 150FPS ...

Reply to ice_killer

What's his specs and settings?

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Reply to strangestranger

Also, if you have far cry 2, run the benchmark like i did and you can compare.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

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Reply to strangestranger

run the benchmark to compare the results
my results farcry2 benchmark small ranch 1680x1050 4xAA ultrahigh
http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww354/michaelmk86/Untitled-1.jpg
system q6600@3,2 GTX295


Message edited by michaelmk86 on 03-29-2009 at 08:39:12 PM
Reply to michaelmk86

What use is that, you have a different video card.

No point trying to isolate a cpu if the video card is different, also he is on xp so dx10 results are of no use to him.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

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Reply to strangestranger

What's his specs and settings?
here ya go


Cooler Master Real Power M850,Retail, 850Watt
Asus P5E,Retai
Asus DVDRW SATA 20x DRW-2014L1T Retail sw/sil
Samsung SpinPoint F1
HIS Radeon HD4870,512MB, GDDR5,
G.Skill F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ,4096MB, 1000MHz, DDR2, PC8000, 2x
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550,Boxed, Q9550, Socket 775

Reply to ice_killer

ill install FC2 and run the bench (the bench in on the DVD??)

Reply to ice_killer

Yes, it is included with the game.

I am not sure why bf2 would be faster on your brothers machine even with the 400mhz difference.

Perhaps crossfire is causing the issues.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

would be od if the card causes its own problem ...

Reply to ice_killer

Here is the bench

* Total Frames: 9814, Total Time: 150,00s
* Average Framerate: 65,43
* Max. Framerate: 126,92 (Frame:1732, 16,54s)
* Min. Framerate: 19,20 (Frame:8330, 123,38s)

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518140-440.jpg

* Total Frames: 9826, Total Time: 150,00s
* Average Framerate: 65,51
* Max. Framerate: 130,33 (Frame:1725, 16,67s)
* Min. Framerate: 27,06 (Frame:8359, 124,28s)

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518140-451.jpg

* Total Frames: 9861, Total Time: 150,01s
* Average Framerate: 65,74
* Max. Framerate: 137,76 (Frame:0, 0,01s)
* Min. Framerate: 33,48 (Frame:8253, 120,78s)

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518140-452.jpg

average


* Average Framerate: 65,56
* Max. Framerate: 130,03
* Min. Framerate: 28,37

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518140-453.jpg
settings:


1680*1050 @ 60Hz
AA 8x

Fire very high
Physics very high
real tree's very high

vegetation very high
shading very high
terrain very high
geometry very high
Post FX high

texture very high
shadow very high
ambient high

HDR On
Bloom On

Reply to ice_killer

some how i cant edit so ill have to repost my pics


run 1 loop 1
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518610-80.jpg

run 1 loop 2
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518610-81.jpg

run 1 loop 3
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518610-812.jpg

run 1 average
http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238518610-813.jpg

Reply to ice_killer

Which benchmark is that?

Can you run the small ranch one for comparisons sake?

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

o lolz i t was the medium, ill run the small. 1 loop ?

Reply to ice_killer

Ok so it is the medium ranch one.

Your system can't be performing that badly as it is better than mine.

Going to run it again as i get a major downspike near the end.

ettings: Demo(Ranch Medium), 1680x1050 (60Hz), D3D10, Fixed Time Step(No), Disable Artificial Intelligence(No), Full Screen, Anti-Aliasing(8x), VSync(No), Overall Quality(Very High), Vegetation(Very High), Shading(Very High), Terrain(Very High), Geometry(Very High), Post FX(High), Texture(Very High), Shadow(Very High), Ambient(High), Hdr(Yes), Bloom(Yes), Fire(Very High), Physics(Very High), RealTrees(Very High)

* Average Framerate: 56.60
* Max. Framerate: 107.55
* Min. Framerate: 17.69

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

same settings : small ranch

Settings: Demo(Ranch Small), 1680x1050 (60Hz), D3D9, Fixed Time Step(No), Disable Artificial Intelligence(No), Full Screen, Anti-Aliasing(8x), VSync(No), Overall Quality(Optimal), Vegetation(Very High), Shading(Very High), Terrain(Very High), Geometry(Very High), Post FX(High), Texture(Very High), Shadow(Very High), Ambient(High), Hdr(Yes), Bloom(Yes), Fire(Very High), Physics(Very High), RealTrees(Very High)



Run 1 loop 1
* Total Frames: 1999, Total Time: 51,01s
* Average Framerate: 39,19
* Max. Framerate: 68,34 (Frame:319, 6,17s)
* Min. Framerate: 23,98 (Frame:1597, 41,95s)

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238520100-090.jpg

run 1 loop 2

* Total Frames: 1985, Total Time: 51,05s
* Average Framerate: 38,89
* Max. Framerate: 68,90 (Frame:325, 6,14s)
* Min. Framerate: 26,15 (Frame:1515, 39,41s)

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238520100-091.jpg

run 1 loop 3

* Total Frames: 1985, Total Time: 51,02s
* Average Framerate: 38,90
* Max. Framerate: 68,65 (Frame:330, 6,25s)
* Min. Framerate: 23,79 (Frame:1577, 41,19s)

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238520100-12.jpg

run 1 Average

* Average Framerate: 38,99
* Max. Framerate: 68,18
* Min. Framerate: 25,64

http://www.plaatjesupload.nl/bekijk/2009/03/31/1238520100-13.jpg


here ya go

Reply to ice_killer

o btw it might be irrelevant but i had 2 BSOD's sunday


MACHINE_CHECK_EXEPTION
Stop 0x000009C (0X0000000 0XBA33C05 0XF2000840 0X00000800)

Reply to ice_killer

Right,

I rant he medium ranch again, this time in d3d9 mode which you must of run.

ettings: Demo(Ranch Medium), 1680x1050 (60Hz), D3D9, Fixed Time Step(No), Disable Artificial Intelligence(No), Full Screen, Anti-Aliasing(8x), VSync(No), Overall Quality(Very High), Vegetation(Very High), Shading(Very High), Terrain(Very High), Geometry(Very High), Post FX(High), Texture(Very High), Shadow(Very High), Ambient(High), Hdr(Yes), Bloom(Yes), Fire(Very High), Physics(Very High), RealTrees(Very High)

* Average Framerate: 68.97
* Max. Framerate: 148.02
* Min. Framerate: 31.81

Looking at that and your small ranch one, i think your system is running fine.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

Oh and btw, shows what bloody use i am.

Don't know how it happened but my overclock has been reset, a bit worrying, so my test results are for my cpu at 2.83, not 3.4.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

is that worrying for me or you ?

Reply to ice_killer

For me,

For you it shows that the systems perform pretty similar.

I don't think you are getting abnormal performance

Just ran the medium ranch with the 3.4ghz applied and can't say there was much change really.

Personally, i would just enjoy playing your favourite games and if things get unplayable, try a slight clockspeed bump.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

ok, so it all running fine :), i thought deu to the performce of a X2 it was not realy good but according you its normal

Reply to ice_killer

Well, unless my own comp is screwed ;)

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger
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no bottlenecking there.

Reply to mamw93

hope not for ya, its looking like a nice setup :)


thanks for the help :)

Reply to ice_killer

Your benchmarks are very low surly is not fine.

Reply to michaelmk86

well, cna you show me what it needs to be ?

Reply to ice_killer

What is so low?

I find it odd that both our machines running the same gpu are both running equally bad.

Considering you are running a 3.2ghz cpu with 2 x 295's, who are you to compare.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

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Reply to strangestranger

For example a system:
Q9550 Quad @ 3.8ghz 4870x2 Catalyst 8-10
small ranch 1920*1200 4xAA ultra high avg 61 min 44

ice_killer
small ranch 1680*1050 8xAA very high avg 39 min 24
surly something wrong is going on.

Reply to michaelmk86

You are a fool.

Please explain how using different settings, at different res with a cpu clocked 1.2ghz higher is any comparison, even with FC2 looking more gpu limited than cpu, it is useless.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

Antec 1200,PC Power & Cooling 750,Gigabyte DS4-x48,Intel Q9550@3.4 W/Xigmatek S1283,8GB OCZ DDR2 800,ATI 4870X2,X-FI>CA 640C amp>Tannoy R300/Senn 595's
Reply to strangestranger

strangestranger wrote :

You are a fool.

 

Please explain how using different settings, at different res with a cpu clocked 1.2ghz higher is any comparison, even with FC2 looking more gpu limited than cpu, it is useless.

 

Q9550 Quad @ 3.8ghz 4870x2 Catalyst 8-10
small ranch 1920*1200 4xAA ultra high avg 61 min 44

 

Cleary you see that (1920*1200 4xAA ultra high) is higher settings than (1680*1050 8xAA very high)
if the cpu is 3.0 or 3.8 doesn’t rally mater

 

ice_killer
small ranch 1680*1050 8xAA very high avg 39 min 24
surly something wrong is going on.

 

39fps is very low for a 4870x2.


Message edited by michaelmk86 on 04-01-2009 at 03:27:02 PM
Reply to michaelmk86

I can see that, but you keep comparing different things.

The avg doesn't really matter although the min is quite low

His medium ranch one compares fine.

The most likely solution is that by accident it popped into windowed mode or he had his catalyst a.i set to off.

* Average Framerate: 31.66
* Max. Framerate: 56.35
* Min. Framerate: 21.84

Small ranch at 2.4ghz with crossfire disabled.

The Op has nothing to worry about.

------------------------------ I'm a git, deal with it.

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