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March 5, 2009 3:18:13 AM

Could someone link me to newegg or a similar website with the parts that fit the description ($800 Budget for Gaming Computer in american money). I mostly want it for steam games running on the source engine. I would like it to run these games on high. I also do not need periphrials (mouse, keyboard, monitor and speakers). Thank you.

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a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 5:19:08 AM

lolz wonderful xthekid :p 
looks really nice...but mayb he can change to the Biostar 790GX board to take advantage of the BIOS options which enables the 4th core...
And hw abt this corsair...has 41A on a single 12V rail...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail $89.99
($69.99 after $20.00 Mail-In
Rebate )
Free Shipping*
Best Power Supply Manufacturer by Custom PC 2008
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rest are wonderful...
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a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 7:28:08 AM

Here ya go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99
COOLER MASTER Centurion 590 RC-590-KKN1-GP Black SECC / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - Product of preference with 2 Oz Copper PCB & DualBIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 Free Shipping*
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $26.99
XIGMATEK nepartak - s983 92mm HYPRO Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $8.49
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $22.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $164.99 ($149.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate)
SAPPHIRE 100259L Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 Free Shipping*
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $6.99
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail

Total: $780.38 (not including shipping and rebates)
March 5, 2009 1:18:57 PM

Why_Me said:
Here ya go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $59.99
COOLER MASTER Centurion 590 RC-590-KKN1-GP Black SECC / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - Product of preference with 2 Oz Copper PCB & DualBIOS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 Free Shipping*
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $26.99
XIGMATEK nepartak - s983 92mm HYPRO Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $8.49
XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $74.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $22.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $164.99 ($149.99 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate)
SAPPHIRE 100259L Radeon HD 4870 512MB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99 Free Shipping*
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $6.99
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail

Total: $780.38 (not including shipping and rebates)


Why_Me listed a great starter machine. You'll definitely get some real good gaming experiences out of it. However, it doesn't include other peripherals like keyboard, mouse and/or monitor. Is that also a part of your $800 budget?

AJ
March 5, 2009 1:29:29 PM

Those are both nice sets of suggestions. Good point - if you need keyboard, mouse, and monitor, it will completely change the build.
March 5, 2009 1:51:09 PM

Case : Antec Three Hundred 59.95$

MOBO : MSI K9A2 Platinum AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX 144.99$ (129.99$ after MIR)

CPU : AMD Phenom 9850 BLACK EDITION 2.5GHz 2MB L3 Cache Quad-Core 139.99$

CPU cooling : XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle 36.99 (+8.99$ if you want the Braket for better fix)

Memory : G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 52.99$

HDD : Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache 79.99$

PSU : CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W 94.99$ (69.99$ after MIR)

DVD : Any pioneer, LG... a well know brand ... 20$ !

TOTAL before GPU : about 700$ before MIR.

GPU : HD4850 or HD4870. I prefer the 4870, can be found under way under 200$ now :D 

I know this is lil over yyour budget ... but the QUAD will offer a better futurproof buying considering that futur games are going to use quad more and more. The mobo can use CF so the only thing youll need when youll need more GPU power is to buy a second same GPU that can be WAY cheaper in the futur cause its going to be @outdated@.

You can still use a DUAL amd cpu to lower the price. its your choice ! or using a NON CF mobo ... but parts ive listed are choosed from NEWEGG using BEST RATING option so this only the BEST or NEAR TO that ive posted.

HAVE FUN !!!!
March 5, 2009 10:19:21 PM

Oh sorry, I forgot to mension I have an optical/usb mouse, keyboard, monitor and speakers.
March 5, 2009 10:20:47 PM

Also, Vista or XP? Pros? Cons?
March 5, 2009 10:32:12 PM

Vista is better for gaming because you get DX10, games look so much better on it. You can also get a 64 bit version of Vista for all versions, 64bit only comes in XP Pro. The 64bit OS give you much more room for memory which helps in a lot of apps. The one downside of Vista is that since it is a more advanced OS, it requires more power from your rig. I would recommend going with XP if you had an old rig with underpowered CPU and low end graphics, otherwise Vista Home Premium 64bit FTW.
a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 10:41:17 PM

laxon said:
Oh sorry, I forgot to mension I have an optical/usb mouse, keyboard and speakers.


You didn't mention if you have a monitor already, but if you need one, I can redwork that build of mine to fit it into your budget, and you will still have a decent gaming rig.

This monitor down below is a steal at that price and it has great response time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99 ($149.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ HDCP Support 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 5000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail

btw +1 to kid for the Vista 64
a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 10:47:58 PM



Not bad, but that psu is running four 12v rails at 16A.....which people are starting to learn that a four rail psu with low amperage sucks for high powered vid cards, and the input on that psu is low for a 550w. Also modular ftw ...sans the OCZ psu.

The 690 is a great case, but unless someone is going to run SLI or Crossfire....you can save $30 by going to the CM590 and still get just as good airflow / cooling.
March 5, 2009 10:55:48 PM

Why_Me said:
Not bad, but that psu is running four 12v rails at 16A.....which people are starting to learn that a four rail psu with low amperage sucks for high powered vid cards, and the input on that psu is low for a 550w. Also modular ftw ...sans the OCZ psu.

The 690 is a great case, but unless someone is going to run SLI or Crossfire....you can save $30 by going to the CM590 and still get just as good airflow / cooling.


Read this. http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i...

That powersupply is pretty much the best price/performance in that pricing segment according to the round-up in that article. And, I'm going to have to look into what you said about the separate rails, because I'm sure they are combined-as necessary when you have a power demanding video card like the 4870. Regardless, the 12v rails are providing 500w worth of power. The 4870 theoretically can draw about 225, 75 per power connector, and 75 from the motherboard. That leaves plenty of headroom for the power draw on the Phenom II and the HDD.
a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 11:00:55 PM

effel said:
Read this. http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i...

That powersupply is pretty much the best price/performance in that pricing segment according to the round-up in that article. And, I'm going to have to look into what you said about the separate rails, because I'm sure they are combined-as necessary when you have a power demanding video card like the 4870. Regardless, the 12v rails are providing 500w worth of power. The 4870 theoretically can draw about 225, 75 per power connector, and 75 from the motherboard. That leaves plenty of headroom for the power draw on the Phenom II and the HDD.


They are combined, but alot of peeps have been complaining that they get a "howling sound" when using those 4 rail psu's.

Look at the Corsairs..there's a reason they lump everything into one rail.
March 5, 2009 11:04:40 PM

Why_Me said:
They are combined, but alot of peeps have been complaining that they get a "howling sound" when using those 4 rail psu's.

Look at the Corsairs..there's a reason they lump everything into one rail.


Where are you getting this information from? I mean, saying every 4 rail power supply made a howling sound, god, you know that doesn't even make sense. Can you just link me to where you're getting this stuff from?

Also, Corsair makes good power supplies sure, but you still don't justify why having all the power on one rail does anything for stable power going to the components.

I'm just trying to make sense of everything you're saying, sounds like bs, but you know, show me a link and I'll eat my words.

Edit: Just checked, the HX series of Corsair power supplies have multiple rails for their 12v right? That must mean they are bad at powering high end video cards.
a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 11:12:51 PM

effel said:
Where are you getting this information from? I mean, saying every 4 rail power supply made a howling sound, god, you know that doesn't even make sense. Can you just link me to where you're getting this stuff from?

Also, Corsair makes good power supplies sure, but you still don't justify why having all the power on one rail does anything for stable power going to the components.

I'm just trying to make sense of everything you're saying, sounds like bs, but you know, show me a link and I'll eat my words.

Edit: Just checked, the HX series of Corsair power supplies have multiple rails for their 12v right? That must mean they are bad at powering high end video cards.


Call it bs all you want, but I have seen a few threads on this, one being on guru3d forums.

*Edit to your edit. I see two Corsairs running more than one rail, one a dual, and one tri rails. I'm not bashing that psu you chose, but lets spec it out against the Corsair 550w, and the OCZ550w.
March 5, 2009 11:16:37 PM

Why_Me said:
Call it bs all you want, but I have seen a few threads on this, one being on guru3d forums.

So, just to be sure, you have no concrete evidence to back up what you said. I mean, we're trying to inform the OP about which parts would get him the best bang for the buck. I'm suggesting him a component based off of a 35 page, 12 power supply round-up, and you're tying to convince him, and me, that some thread on some forum suggested that power supplies with split 12v rails are bad for high end video cards. I don't mean at all to come off as an arrogant prick, but my advice is sound, yours is filled with holes.

Edit: The Corsair 550VX is certainly a good power supply, but that's the argument I'm trying to have with you. It's like you're suggesting that the 520HX/620HX with their tri-12v rails are going to be bad for powering high end parts. The 1000HX is one of the best psu you can buy, and its running a dual 12v rail. The OCZ Modxstream, and Corsair 520hx are both pitted against the BFG in the Anandtech article, if you read it, and you'd know that the editor had a good reason for the selecting the BFG as the best choice out of the 12 units.
March 5, 2009 11:21:29 PM

effel said:
No, its $10 more expensive any way you look at it....

Didn't notice the rebate on the bfg. I'd still chose the Corsair over the bfg though.
March 5, 2009 11:25:15 PM

xthekidx said:
Didn't notice the rebate on the bfg. I'd still chose the Corsair over the bfg though.

Oh because a 5 year warranty is better than a Lifetime one. Your brand loyalty is obviously blinding your logic.
March 5, 2009 11:25:29 PM

Can we get more on topic please?
March 5, 2009 11:26:50 PM

laxon said:
Can we get more on topic please?

Did you look at the build I suggested you at all? Its arguably the best bang for the buck system you can get at your price point, is there anything it might be missing? Also, I've got to go out to dinner, so you guys can feud all you want while I'm gone.
March 5, 2009 11:29:08 PM

effel said:
Did you look at the build I suggested you at all? Its arguably the best bang for the buck system you can get at your price point, is there anything it might be missing? Also, I've got to go out to dinner, so you guys can feud all you want while I'm gone.

Oh yes, I saw your build. I also updated my op because I have all the periphrials (monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers).
a b 4 Gaming
March 5, 2009 11:29:59 PM

laxon said:
Can we get more on topic please?


LOL...sorry about that. :(  Aside from the PSU's..he he, it looks now like it's between the AMD builds and the Intel build. Mix and match on a few builds is always fun, and cost effective.
March 5, 2009 11:31:02 PM

Also, there was no OS mensioned, but I could easily add that. Thank you all for posting your useful info, and feel free to keep doing so.
March 5, 2009 11:33:33 PM

effel said:
Oh because a 5 year warranty is better than a Lifetime one. Your brand loyalty is obviously blinding your logic.

BFG is not a company that is known as a good PSU manufacturer. Corsair has a reputation for good PSU's that last a long time, BFG does not. That PSU is new, you have no idea how long it will last. Going with the single rail PSU that is manufactured by a better company makes a lot of sense to me. $10 is a small price to pay for extra assurance that your PSU will not explode and take the whole system with it.
March 5, 2009 11:37:18 PM

effel said:
Did you look at the build I suggested you at all? Its arguably the best bang for the buck system you can get at your price point, is there anything it might be missing? Also, I've got to go out to dinner, so you guys can feud all you want while I'm gone.

Feuding over a suggestion on someones build...what has the internet become? :( 
March 5, 2009 11:39:48 PM

Lol, I made a hot topic huh?

My first post too.
March 7, 2009 3:25:25 AM

gkay09 said:
lolz wonderful xthekid :p 
looks really nice...but mayb he can change to the Biostar 790GX board to take advantage of the BIOS options which enables the 4th core...
And hw abt this corsair...has 41A on a single 12V rail...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail $89.99
($69.99 after $20.00 Mail-In
Rebate )
Free Shipping*
Best Power Supply Manufacturer by Custom PC 2008
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rest are wonderful...

Could you link to the board you are talking about?
March 7, 2009 8:17:47 PM

xthekidx said:
BFG is not a company that is known as a good PSU manufacturer. Corsair has a reputation for good PSU's that last a long time, BFG does not. That PSU is new, you have no idea how long it will last. Going with the single rail PSU that is manufactured by a better company makes a lot of sense to me. $10 is a small price to pay for extra assurance that your PSU will not explode and take the whole system with it.


You realize that BFG and Corsair don't actually handle the manufacturing of the power supplies right? That's done by Enhance and Seasonic respectively. Just jump on the popular brand band wagon, and spew fanboyism out of your mouth. I don't even want to flame anybody, its just, you're shooting out such inflammatory language, the OP is going to shy away from anything that isn't 'reputable'.

In all honesty OP, if this were a few years and you wanted to build a system, xthekidx would be telling you the same thing about Corsair not being reputable because they are new to the power supply market, contrary to early testing that shows they have a good product. Either the BFG LS-550w or Corsair VX550w will be great power supplies for you to get. I just feel at this point in time, that BFG is offering a better product with a better warranty than the competitors.

The build I suggested to you is a great option, for your price range. Is there anything you want to discuss about it? Possibly some things you want to switch out? I know gkay09 mentioned a Biostar 790GX board, and that's a good place to start. Some people might scream Asus at you and tell you they are the best motherboard maker on the market, but look to the benchmarks for that. The 4th core unlocking that he was talking about comes from a BIOS option called ACC, advanced clock calibration. Setting it to auto can unlock the 4th core the Phenom II X3s, however, there's a reason it was disabled by AMD in the first place. You might be lucky and have a working 4th core for a free, which is awesome, or you might experience some stability issues.

I don't know if anybody answered your questions about OS choices. I'd hate to steer you one way or the other. $100 on an OS isn't cheap. What's more painful, is that Win.7 is going to be coming out very soon. The RC is slated to come out in April if I recall, but you wouldn't really want that as your main OS in the mean time. Win.7 is looking very appealing, and I'll probably be picking up a 64bit copy when it hits the streets. I skipped Vista entirely, because I wasn't going to dump another $100 on an OS after just buying XP.

March 7, 2009 8:43:58 PM

effel said:
You realize that BFG and Corsair don't actually handle the manufacturing of the power supplies right? That's done by Enhance and Seasonic respectively.

Yes I do, Seasonic is IMO the better manufacturer, which is why I say go with the Corsair. I am not a fanboy of anything just for the sake of it, my preferences are based on reason. I'm sure the BFG is a fine PSU, but I think the Corsair (made by seasonic) is better. I only go for the most reliable of PSU's, I'm not one to cut corners on such an essential part of the system. I'm not convinced that the BFG is as or more reliable than the Corsair and I would spend $10 more for something that is tried and true, rather than something that looks promising. Many PSU's using split rails cannot offer all the combined amperage of their 12v rails, a single rail PSU will. Maybe that BFG can, I don't know.

@OP either PSU will probably be fine, you are well aware of our opinions on this matter by now.
March 8, 2009 10:09:23 PM

I really don't no much about this kind of stuff. Its why I asked. I have no Idea what the heck a rail is. Whats a Phenom II X3? I really don't know. And do you think I should wait for april till windows 7? I don't know, maybe I can buy retail and get a free upgrade thing.
March 8, 2009 10:24:14 PM

The rail is what supplies power to whatever component is hooked up to it in the PSU, in a general sense.

The Phenom II x3 is a CPU from AMD, and a good one for a midrange build, comparable to a E8400 from Intel in terms of performance, but cheaper.
March 11, 2009 4:01:45 AM

bumped for great justice.
March 11, 2009 7:30:05 AM

I'm not an expert either, but I thought I'd inject this info about whether 4-core or 3-core processors are really giving you anything of a "future-proof" bang for the buck.

Tomshardware has lots of good articles and interviews, often allowing us to sift through the advertising hype to get down to the nitty-gritty performance reality. In their interview with the maker of the Killer networking cards, it's mentioned that online games aren't, and won't any time soon (because of how the networking is handled on the net), use multi-core processors effectively.

I take this to mean that buying a quad-core upgrade over getting a flying core 2 duo is gaming money wasted. You can read the article and take it however you like here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/killer-nic-network,...
March 15, 2009 7:38:29 PM

Bumpity Bump Bump
March 17, 2009 2:05:36 AM

bmp
May 10, 2009 1:09:37 AM

I also prefer newegg. i am looking to make almost the same build, except i prefer to go with the biostar 790GX with a 2 2g ddr3. I have a different case(alienware case). i think it is a superb build
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