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March 6, 2009 10:53:18 PM

I already have a Nvidia 9800GX2 with two gigs, but do not want to spend anymore than 300 for the other components. What would you guys recommend?

Thanks,
-n

ps. Thanks again to those who responded to my earlier thread. After seeing how much i'll be paying in taxes, my budget has gone done substantially.

pss. I got the 9800GX2 as a gift and am trying to put it to use!

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March 6, 2009 11:03:49 PM

hmm well that is pretty tight for components, GPU aside.
Try something like this:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dvd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU and Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Cheapest I can do comes to $375 after shipping and rebates :(  Hopefully you have an OS, otherwise that will cost you another $100. Do you have any components you can scrounge from a previous system?
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March 7, 2009 10:00:45 AM

Without $100.00 more this is virtually a dead horse. Nothing that could be built for that price range would either support that video card or do it justice.

Save 100 more and then use xthekidx's answer and you will have a decent gaming machine for a little while
March 7, 2009 10:51:05 AM

I have windows vista already and i have a dvd drive sitting around .. but that's about it :( 

xthekidx said:
hmm well that is pretty tight for components, GPU aside.
Try something like this:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dvd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU and Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Cheapest I can do comes to $375 after shipping and rebates :(  Hopefully you have an OS, otherwise that will cost you another $100. Do you have any components you can scrounge from a previous system?

a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 12:03:38 PM

Rosewill R604-P BK case $40 with free shipping
It's a better case, less expensive (shipping included) and most important about 1.1 longer and has a removable hard drive cage, if necessary, to better fit that long 9800GX2 video card.

xthekidx's combo'ed PSU is a notch less than the 600W PSU recommended for 9800GX2. To get more power (48ams vs 38amps +12V), get a rebate and save on PSU shipping charges I'm suggesting:
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W $70 plus $20 rebate and free shipping

GIGABYTE GA-MA770-UD3 AM2+ AMD Motherboard $75 plus $10 rebate
Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz CPU $60
WD Caviar 160GB SATA HDD $42
4GB RAM listed above.

With tax and shipping to my zip code that comes to $367 before $55 in rebates. If you live in a NewEgg no-tax state your total after rebates will be $288

a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 4:32:07 PM

AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock A780FullHD $56.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YD 250GB $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON IDE OEM DVD Burner $20.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec earthwatts EA500 500W $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) $38.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And that gives you a total of $296.94 for a system that isn't too bad. Of course you're going to have to overclock the CPU. What about the case you ask? Screw it down to a piece of plywood and call it an open air system. Hey for $300 bucks that's about the best you can do. Of course you will also need to provide an OS. If you really want a case though you're going to have to plop down at least an extra $26 plus shipping for something like this flimsy Rosewill Case

Rosewill R226-P-BK $25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 7, 2009 5:57:40 PM

WR2 said:
Rosewill R604-P BK case $40 with free shipping
It's a better case, less expensive (shipping included) and most important about 1.1 longer and has a removable hard drive cage, if necessary, to better fit that long 9800GX2 video card.

xthekidx's combo'ed PSU is a notch less than the 600W PSU recommended for 9800GX2. To get more power (48ams vs 38amps +12V), get a rebate and save on PSU shipping charges I'm suggesting:
OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W $70 plus $20 rebate and free shipping

GIGABYTE GA-MA770-UD3 AM2+ AMD Motherboard $75 plus $10 rebate
Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma 2.7GHz CPU $60
WD Caviar 160GB SATA HDD $42
4GB RAM listed above.

With tax and shipping to my zip code that comes to $367 before $55 in rebates. If you live in a NewEgg no-tax state your total after rebates will be $288

Good finds on the PSU and Case, I would swap those in instead in my build. However I disagree about the Mobo/CPU. The E5200 overclocks higher than the Kuma and gives better results in games. The limit on the Kuma tends to be about 3.4ghz or so, I have seen people get the E5200 up to 4.0ghz, and on top of that the E5200 runs more efficient cores clock for clock. If you had them both at the same clock speed the E5200 would be much better. The CPU will bottleneck that Card and if you want to run Crysis, then you should go with the E5200.

The HDD is cheap, but the one I used is only $12 more and has twice the capacity and is a faster drive, you get much more for your money with that one.
March 7, 2009 6:17:19 PM

Well if he is going to be doing any major overclocking throw in another 20-30 bucks for a decent CPU cooler.
March 7, 2009 6:50:10 PM

Yeah but a CPU cooler can be bought later when he has the cash, its not imperative to the build. You can OC an E5200 to about 3.2-3.4 or so on stock cooling. The Kuma runs hotter and you probably can't go over 3.0ghz on stock cooling
a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 8:48:23 PM

xthekidx said:
The E5200 overclocks higher than the Kuma and gives better results in games.

I agree that the E5200 overclocks better - but it might not make that much difference in games.
Most games become GPU bound before they become CPU bound. Even overclocking doesn't always scale like you'd expect if you only look at CPU speeds.
Having a 9800GX2 lifts the CPU bound threshold in many games but you'd be hard pressed to find a game where either a stock E5200 or stock X2 7750 didnt deliver very good, playable framerates.

The E5200 might be "better" but the X2 7750 is certainly "good enough". And it fits his budget.


March 7, 2009 8:56:27 PM

WR2 said:
The E5200 might be "better" but the X2 7750 is certainly "good enough". And it fits his budget.

Its like $20 more for an E5200 than the X2 7750...which is well worth the price difference IMO. Neither of the builds we suggested can be fit in his $300 budget...you have to wait 6 weeks or so for those rebates to kick in and if he can only spend $300...doesn't sound like he has the money to spare.

As for megamanx00's build, The mobo is very limited, and screwing it onto a piece of plywood is just brokeass IMO lol.
March 7, 2009 9:10:35 PM

Sell the GPU!
March 7, 2009 9:15:35 PM

No, don't sell it. Hang onto it and earn a little more money then make your purchase.
a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 9:20:42 PM

xthekidx said:
Its like $20 more for an E5200 than the X2 7750...which is well worth the price difference IMO.
More like $55 difference for the CPU/MB combo. And if he runs either CPU @ stock the performance is about even.



a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 9:30:09 PM

Here is a more recent head to head review of the E5200 and X2 7750, including overclocking.
At stock X2 7750 in slightly out in front of the E5200 and at max overclocks they change position.
But even at max OC (not in the OP's budget) the 2 CPUs aren't that far apart in performance.

BitTech x2 7750 -vs- e5200 review

March 7, 2009 9:32:01 PM

I only chose that Mobo cuz it was offered in a combo, originally I chose the GA-EP43-UD3L to go in that build, then forgot that I had changed it lol. That mobo is $5 more, $20 for the CPU...still worth it I think.

Why would you run them at stock speeds? Overclock them as much as you can to get the performance out of them. On stock cooling, the E5200 will overclock higher due to its 45nm manufactering process and generate less heat. I have heard people going to 3.4ghz on stock cooling with manageable temps on the E5200.
March 7, 2009 9:43:53 PM

WR2 you are right that the 7750BE is more affordable now, but I'm working on the assumption that the higher potential of the E5200 will be realized later when the OP gets $40 in his pocket and can afford a CPU cooler that will unlock the E5200's engine. If he will just build this thing and not touch it after that, then the Kuma 7750 is the better option to be sure. Maybe its just my mindset but I always think of the upgrades potential when I'm building.
a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 9:44:34 PM

The E5200 might be "better" but the X2 7750 is certainly "good enough". And it better fits his budget.

If he's comfortable expanding his budget? Then there are even more options to get a better performing, more balanced system.

March 7, 2009 9:46:32 PM

Fair enough. My point was though that its not really possible for him to do this without expanding his budget, so once he did expand his budget...yeah. And I don't think I have seen a more unballanced system with a 9800 GX2 + 7750 BE or E5200 lol.
March 7, 2009 11:20:40 PM

Doh, what would be the real core minimum for a system that can maximize the GPU's performance? And how much more will it cost?

BTW, thanks for all the responses !!
a b 4 Gaming
March 7, 2009 11:38:38 PM

What size / resolution monitor do you have (or are planning to get in the future)?
How do you feel about overclocking?
March 8, 2009 12:31:54 AM

xthekidx said:
Yeah but a CPU cooler can be bought later when he has the cash, its not imperative to the build. You can OC an E5200 to about 3.2-3.4 or so on stock cooling. The Kuma runs hotter and you probably can't go over 3.0ghz on stock cooling



TheGuruof3D got the kuma to 3.2 on stock cooling.


http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-x2-7750-be-rev...
March 8, 2009 8:23:47 AM

All all for OC. Except, I hear now that there are 12 parameters to tweak and there isn't a definitive method to doing it. Sounds like an art to me of which i have absolutely no experience in.

I have a screen at 1920x1080.

WR2 said:
What size / resolution monitor do you have (or are planning to get in the future)?
How do you feel about overclocking?

a b 4 Gaming
March 8, 2009 9:07:28 AM

ngaminglee said:
All all for OC. Except, I hear now that there are 12 parameters to tweak and there isn't a definitive method to doing it. Sounds like an art to me of which i have absolutely no experience in.

I have a screen at 1920x1080.


There's nothing to it. Just move up your FSB to (12.5 x 266) and your running it that cpu at 3.2Ghz @ 1066 FSB. That ram will clock right along with it. It's a piece of cake. :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $72.99 Free Shipping*
Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99 Free Shipping*
G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $79.99 Free Shipping*
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
May 8, 2009 4:17:24 AM

I will add that i run an e5200 on a Gigabyte 965P DS3 Rev 3.3 with a stable 3.87Ghz @ 1.36v and it makes my 260GTX scream with no bottleneck so i am sure it could feed your 9800x2 ok.. but you will need a good powersupply to get stable clocks.

In Vantage i score 13,115 points but my 260GTX 192sp overclocks as well as the e5200 does @ 756/1512/1270 and is running at peak vs other 260's like it so it's a good choice for sure.
May 8, 2009 4:23:42 AM

xthekidx said:
hmm well that is pretty tight for components, GPU aside.
Try something like this:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dvd: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU and Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Cheapest I can do comes to $375 after shipping and rebates :(  Hopefully you have an OS, otherwise that will cost you another $100. Do you have any components you can scrounge from a previous system?



LOL , thats basically the comp I built my Great aunt except with a different case and a 8600GT to save money since she's just doing office work.
May 10, 2009 6:43:42 AM

You guys think too inside the "box"

Think outside the box and see what you can get with $300 (complete gaming pc that runs current games on high settings) :na: 

Not a bad deal at all if you are on a budget!

http://gamechalkboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96

4gbs of Corsair ram
E7300
P5n-3 SLI
9800 GTX SSC Edition
580W Power Supply
Modified Dell Case and a used 80GB HDD
Free windows XP too.
May 10, 2009 2:35:50 PM

ghambino said:
You guys think too inside the "box"

Think outside the box and see what you can get with $300 (complete gaming pc that runs current games on high settings) :na: 

Not a bad deal at all if you are on a budget!

http://gamechalkboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96

4gbs of Corsair ram
E7300
P5n-3 SLI
9800 GTX SSC Edition
580W Power Supply
Modified Dell Case and a used 80GB HDD
Free windows XP too.



They used E-bay and craigs list...... that equals parts that are potentially damaged.
!