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Which card would be better in the long run?

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March 31, 2009 2:13:35 PM

a 9800GT at 512MB or a 9600GT at 1GB?

looking at the hierarchy chart (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-radeon,...)
they're only a level apart, however I'm looking at the 9600GT and it's twice the memory of the 9800GT for almost the same price in my neck of the woods.

I suppose a Radeon 3870 would be better overall, when a newer game in the future demands higher performance, I could buy another 3870, which should be cheaper by then, and get quite a boost.
But I tinker with linux and ATI hates us.


EDIT:
and can you explain why as well?

EDIT2:
I just heard that ATI is open sourcing their drivers!
ATI doesn't hate us as much anymore!
Hence, I'm kinda leaning towards the radeon 4830, which the chart says is comparable to the 9800GT

any thoughts?

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March 31, 2009 2:16:40 PM

I would go with the 9800 out of all the ones you mentioned.
March 31, 2009 4:13:24 PM

bump

anyone?

I apologize for being pushy, but I'm about to order my rig in the morning...
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March 31, 2009 4:49:14 PM

i will always always always always always always always always always always go for the 9800gt 512mb between those two cards. i think buying a 8800gt 512mb is lot better beacuse 8800gt and 9800gt are all the same. but 8800gt is cheaper and it generates lower heat than 9800gt.

but, if you ask me to choose among geforce 8800gt/geforce 9800gt/radeon 4830, i'll go for the 4830. it's slightly faster than 8800gt or 9800gt. i think it's even better than 9800gt or 8800gt.


thanks.
a b U Graphics card
March 31, 2009 6:00:10 PM

And I think the 4830 is cheaper as well. I have a 9600 gt, but 9800gt would be a better card. On the 9600gt 1gb, I have the 512 mb version. Good card, but only time you'd need the 1gb memory would be if you are running high res. Even at that, the 9600gt probably would not perform as well at those resolutions so as to justify the 1gb.

The 3870, no, it's only comparable to the 9600gt for performance.
March 31, 2009 9:22:51 PM

both hd 4830 and 9600 gt are good. wouldnt recommend 9800 because it uses more energy
March 31, 2009 9:34:27 PM

+1 for the 4830
April 1, 2009 2:14:47 AM

looks like the 4830 has it.

now the question, 512mb or 1GB?
a c 358 U Graphics card
April 1, 2009 3:10:59 AM

How long do you intend on keeping it and at what resolution do you play or will play?
April 1, 2009 3:19:06 AM

Do you have a SLi or CF capable mobo?
If you have an SLI I would recomend you to go with the 9600GT if you put one later in SLI you will get an excelent boost in performance. 9600gt in SLI are known for good scaling. Checkout some of the benchmarks on the net.

Otherwise go with the 4830.

Cheers
April 1, 2009 3:57:34 AM

jaguarskx said:
How long do you intend on keeping it and at what resolution do you play or will play?

for as long as possible like 5+ years
this is my real first gaming rig. Right now my monitor's at 1280*1024 and I have no idea how high this thing can handle.



Euphoria_MK said:
Do you have a SLi or CF capable mobo?
If you have an SLI I would recomend you to go with the 9600GT if you put one later in SLI you will get an excelent boost in performance. 9600gt in SLI are known for good scaling. Checkout some of the benchmarks on the net.

Otherwise go with the 4830.

Cheers

I was going to go for a Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L but another person here informs me that that particular mobo has some kinks.
I'm currently looking for a replacement and would also appreciate suggestions on that part.


g3force said:
For a few more bucks, you could grab a 4870.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121288

extremely tight budget.
if I can find a cheap 4870 card when I go shopping, I'll probably get that.
April 1, 2009 4:05:11 AM

Tell us what budget are you working with and I'll try and give you a CPU /Mobo combo witha Video Card and RAM solution

Cheers
April 1, 2009 4:13:39 AM

I'm trying to operate in the 500 USD gaming rig article a few months back, but since I'm not from the US, import taxes and component availability is a major concern.

more like 400USD

here's mu current setup
Spoiler


Intel Pentium E5200
Cooler Master Hyper TX2 or Xigmatek HDT-S963 or nothing and just run on stock speeds if I'm really overbudget
Gigabyte P31-DS3L
Kingston DDR2 800 [Dual Channel] 2GB*2 or 2GB*1 if I go overbudget
Radeon HD 4830 1GB or 512MB if I go overbudget


leaves me with just about dough to get a case (with power supply) and dvdwriter


EDIT:
These two boards are within budget, are P35s, and hopefully available.
any thoughts?

http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Motherboards/deta...



http://www.emaxxtech.com/products.php?id=6

April 1, 2009 8:37:13 AM

*bump*
April 1, 2009 9:06:25 AM

Go with the 9800.Even though it has less vram,it will still give you better performance.Just stick with a 22in ws lcd or smaller.But hey,if you look around,you can get a gtx260 for less than 200 dollars these days.Goodluck.

Dahak

ASUS P5N-D
C2D E8500 STOCK
ZALMAN 9700 CPU COOLER
2X2GIG DDR2 1066 IN DC MODE
TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
EVGA GTX 260
SMILIDON RAIDMAX GAMING CASE
LG 24IN WS LCD 1920X1080
250GIG HD/500GIG HD
LOGITECH G15 GAMING KEYBOARD
G5 GAMING MOUSE
LOGITECH Z-5500 5.1 SURROUND SYSTEM
500WATS CONTINUOUS,1000 PEAK
WIN XP PRO
April 1, 2009 10:21:37 AM

*sigh*
It's annoying that you guys give such great suggestions but either I can't find them here or are ridiculously priced.
i'm just gonna go with stock speeds on everything and just 2GB RAM. If I could haggle it from the vendor maybe an additional 2GB of RAM

The ASUS P5QL PRO would be my choice of board now, as suggested in another thread

Thanks for your input, Dahak, but since ATI is opensourcing their drivers now I'm really leaning towards their line of cards.
I'll try and find a 512mb 4830 since I don't think I'll be gaming at very high resolutions.

my current setup:



CPU Intel Pentium E5200
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper TX2 < may not get if I run at stock speeds
Motherboard ASUS P5QL PRO
RAM Kingston DDR2 800 [Dual Channel] < either 2GB*1 or 2GB*2, depending on how much I can haggle
Graphics Radeon HD 4830 1GB < if I can find a 512 I'll probably go with that in invest in more RAM
Optical Lite-On 20X DVD±R SATA < whatever



just in case the p5ql is out of stock, would the p5k-se ( http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=I2f2e2yHI0XF2Vf9 ) be a good backup motherboard to buy?
April 1, 2009 10:38:11 AM

How 'bout I suggest a good rig?

Core 2 Duo E7300
Artic Freezer 7 Pro
Gigabyte EP45 DS3L
2 GB DDR2 800 any brand C5
500GB SATA Seagate/ WD
HD 4850 512MB - Didn't you hear that the 4830 was going to be removed or something? A 4850 gives you great CF options in the future.
Any DVD burner.


Here you go: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261850-33-4830-goner
April 1, 2009 12:29:18 PM

damn...

I can't step up to an e7300 without breaking the bank.
Same with the ep45-ds3l, sort of expensive and hard to track in my neck of the woods.

I could up the ante with a 4850, but may have to skimp out on the casing and take the cooler out of the equation entirely and run at stock speeds.
April 1, 2009 9:25:30 PM

antemon said:

....just in case the p5ql is out of stock, would the p5k-se ( http://www.asus.com/Product.aspx?P_ID=I2f2e2yHI0XF2Vf9 ) be a good backup motherboard to buy?

You might be interested in this Tom's article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-p45-core,2110.html
They reviewed a bunch of P43/P45 motherboards based around the $100-and-below mark.

To answer your question about the "backup" board, I'd say there are other, better options. The P35 chipset at this point is yestertech IMO.

On a side note, are you buying this locally or online?
a b U Graphics card
April 1, 2009 9:35:10 PM

4830 ~ 8800/9800GT > 9600GT

Get yourself a 4850 for around $120-$130, it's worth it
April 6, 2009 6:28:35 AM

Bluescreendeath said:
4830 ~ 8800/9800GT > 9600GT

Get yourself a 4850 for around $120-$130, it's worth it


I'll see what I can do. If I run at stock speeds and just use the stock fans I shouldn't have any problems
sounds very plausible.



g3force said:
You might be interested in this Tom's article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-p45-core,2110.html
They reviewed a bunch of P43/P45 motherboards based around the $100-and-below mark.

To answer your question about the "backup" board, I'd say there are other, better options. The P35 chipset at this point is yestertech IMO.

On a side note, are you buying this locally or online?




I've read the article and I'm pleased that the P5QL board is there for its features. Had some -points for the layout.
There are no other boards on the article that are available to me.

Somewhat similar to the MSI P43 Neo3-F, I can get a hold of the MSI P43 Neo3-FR. Anyone know if this board is good? Seems like the the only difference between them are the chipset and raid

MSI P43 Neo3-F
Chipset Intel® P43+ICH10
RAID 0/1/JBOD




MSI P43 Neo3-FR
Chipset Intel® P43+ICH10R
RAID 0/1/5/10




my question now is, is there enough difference between the MSI P43 Neo3-FR (the board that I can buy) and the MSI P43 Neo3-F (the board in the article) that would make the board that I can buy suboptimal?
especially with the layout of the board.

I may opt for this MSI board rather than the Asus p5ql board since the article said the p5ql had terrible layout and other reviews noted the thinnes of the board.
April 6, 2009 8:05:56 AM

The Neo3-FR has a better cooler with heatpipes. Those components will run hot with the Neo3-F --> Neo3-FR for better OC. Otherwise the PCB design, everything looks the same to me.

I'd say the P35 Neo is a better option.
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