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These questions refer to the Core i5 / Lynnfield:

1) Does it use a different socket than the i7? Will today's mobos be able to support both the i7 and i5?
2) What is meant by "integrated dual-channel DDR3 memory controller"?
3) And "integrated PCI-Express graphics controller"? Does this mean it doesn't need a dedicated graphics card or a mobo's integrated graphics?
4) Will all i5's be slower than the entry level i7?


Message edited by tokyotech on 06-08-2009 at 07:44:41 AM
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1) i5 = LGA1156 while i7 = LGA1336
2) The memory controller is not built into the northbridge anymore, instead it's in the processor itself and connects directly to the RAM
3) Same thing as above, except it's PCIe controller this time which for LGA1156(i5) has 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes. LGA1336(i7) doesn't have it and uses X58 for its PCIe controller instead.
4) The latest rumors so far suggest the highest SKU of i5 will be faster than i7 920 (which is being phased out by Intel soon)


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i5 will support DDR3 in Dual-Channel
i7 supports DDR3 in Tri-Channel
i7 920 will be phased out @ i5 gets released.
The LGA1336 will continue to support the High End i7's and the new 6core CPU's to be released.

Reply to knotknut

1) unfortunately the i5 will use a different socket it will use the 1156 instead of the 1336 that the i7 uses

2) It simply means that the memory control is on the cpu die instead of the motherboard thus reducing down time between ram to cpu and mono communication it also reduces power usage by a little and overall aides performance

3) No it simply means that the graphics controller just like the memory controller is on the die insted of the motherboard,they are currently working on integrating gpu and cpu on one die but that is been done by amd (bulldozer and fusion technology)

5) the 2.8 version of lynnfield will outperform the i7 920 and will feature hyperthreading,turbo mode and DMI,the 920 is in fact gradually going to be phased out as the i5 is released

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Last I checked bulldozer and fusion are nowhere near completion.

Reply to BadTrip

So with all that being said, Would it better to get an i7 920 Core out now while they are still available, or wait and get an i5 when they hit the market?

 

Or better yet, neither and wait to see what the 6 core cpu's will offer?

 

AJ


Message edited by ajcroteau on 06-08-2009 at 09:37:06 PM
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One thing if u planning to get 2 or more graphic cards which i5 is lagging behind i7 due to the i5 only has 16x PCIE lanes while i7 has 36x PCIE
That makes i5 8x2 if u're going dual graphics and i7 will do 16x2 and 4x1 for triple graphics
The chip performance between i5 and i7 will be identical since triple and dual channel memory won't make any huge impact on gaming and real life applications (most of them)
And once u get i5, u got no way to upgrade into i7 line or future due to the LGA1156 .

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About what xyzionz said on the concept of multiple graphics card. One must remember the purpose for such technology e.g. SLi and CrossFire is to achieve higher performance not reached by the best single-GPU card available on market at the time. For $/performance (value) reasons it is unwise to use the above solutions as a form of upgrade i.e. adding another card when a better single GPU card is available on market. It is a mistake that is widely spread, fueled by marketing.

So choose carefully if you want i7 or i5. Running SLi or Crossfire with multiple cards of the latest generation means e.g. the best single-GPU card you buy can not run 2560x1600 max. eye candy at acceptable FPS. As far as the bandwidth of PCIe 2.0 16x goes, splitting into 8x it still has enough bandwidth to power the next gen. e.g. RV870 and G300 no problem if the card contains only one GPU. So 2 GPUs maximum.
For 3 or more of the latest(and next) generation GPU, only then will you need more than 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes offered by LGA1156.


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Does the i5 only allow dual channel memory? That seems like old technology.........

If my company is paying for the computer, should I just get the i7 920 now? I start work in 2 weeks and don't know if I can hold off until the i5 releases.


Message edited by tokyotech on 06-08-2009 at 11:42:15 PM
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It's not old, it's "new and improved".
And it is the requirement (the need) that matters not simply how old the technology is.

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