ATI HD 4890 full review comes online no april fools

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php? [...] 2&Itemid=1

The card is OCed to 1 GHZ though!

A bit slower than the 285 GTX
Looking good for the 4890

Enjoy!

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Reply to L1qu1d

What is shocking though is even with that 1 GHZ OC it still lags behind the 285 GTX. Although its p/p is amazing. I'll be honest waiting for this card is def not a bad idea, and I can't wait to get my hands on it Fri or 2morrow.

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Reply to L1qu1d

This close to the 285 means that if the 275 is to beat it, whats the point of the monstously priced 285? Wouldnt they then be the same card? Im thinking whoever bought a 285 with those elavated prices are going to be upset, muchlike the 280s when they came out

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L1qu1d wrote :

What is shocking though is even with that 1 GHZ OC it still lags behind the 285 GTX. Although its p/p is amazing. I'll be honest waiting for this card is def not a bad idea, and I can't wait to get my hands on it Fri or 2morrow.

I dunno, read the article it says :
"Thus the outdated Radeon HD 4890 even around 70 to 80 euros more expensive Geforce GTX 285th Im Durchschnitt aller unserer Benchmarks, dem Performance-Rating, kommt die 1,0 GHz schnelle HD 4890 auf 72,9 statt 67,4 fps mit Standardtakt, während eine Geforce GTX 285 mit Standardtakt 70,6 fps erreicht. On average, all of our benchmarks, the performance rating, the 1.0 GHz speed HD 4890 to 72.9 instead of 67.4 fps with a standard clock, while a Geforce GTX 285 with a standard clock reaches 70.6 fps. Eine GTX 260-216 schafft lediglich 57,7 Bilder pro Sekunde. A GTX 260-216 creates only 57.7 frames per second."
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So, oceed it bests the 285, at least thats what I read

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Crysis

Stock 4890 beats the 285 in 2/6 resolutions. OC'd 4890 beats the 295 in every single one.

Far Cry 2

OC'd 4890 beats the 285 in 2/6 resolutions.

CoD4

Stock 4890 beats the 285 in 2/6 resolutions. OC'd 4890 beats the 285 in 5/6 resolutions.

HAWX

OC'd 4890 beats the 285 in 4/6 resolutions.

Unreal Tournament 3

Stock 4890 beats the 285 in 4/6 resolutions. OC'd 4890 beats the 285 in 5/6 resolutions.

Whatever game is below that, the OC'd 4890 beats the 285 in all resolutions.

The ONLY game where the OC'd 4890 didn't outperform the 285 was Far Cry 2. In the other 5 games tested, the OC beat the 285 in 4 tests (1 game), 5 tests (2 games) and all 6 tests (2 games).

Those are the facts of the benchmarks, regardless of what FUD think they are seeing. The only real surprise here is, the STOCK 4890 is beating the 285 in some tests. Just wait until they add Grid, Mass Effect and AoC - games which usually favour ATI.

Message edited by jennyh on 04-02-2009 at 04:45:26 AM

Reply to jennyh

THat and wait for better drivers! Nvidia may be in trouble until there next gen cards come out.

Reply to boredatcanon

Wow I cant believe it beat an NVIDIA card in Crysis! Thats amazing.

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Reply to boudy

if its true about the performance of the new card, then its great news all round, for both nvidia and ati fans. let the battle begin (which hopefully will induce a price war !!)

Reply to godfath3r

It should be noted that the highest factory OC'd 285's generally score 1-2fps more in most games.

OC'd 4890 scores 72.9fps on all benchmarks
Stock 285gtx scores 70.6fps on all benchmarks

Even at the best factory overclock for the 285, this OC'd 4890 would still be winning most of the benchmarks.

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Reply to jennyh

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£205

Reply to rangers

i was thinking on getting a new card when DX11 comes out but this card looks good, what do yous think should i buy it just now

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Reply to rangers

rangers wrote :

i was thinking on getting a new card when DX11 comes out but this card looks good, what do yous think should i buy it just now

You may want to wait for price fluctuations to settle down but I don't think you should have much doubt about this being a solid card worth your money. If you wait however just keep an eye on stock levels in case this becomes popular.

If you find one at a price point you are willing to accept than go for it.

Reply to Jaysin

I don't get 1 thing though, Jenny you said that even an oced 285 GTX won't beat the 4890 when the 4890 is OCed to 1 ghz. I dunno I give up.

I really don't care, I just paid for the 4890 XFX, w.e. I still think the 285 GTX is faster, and OC should put it higher.

Thats what I see.

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Reply to L1qu1d

Wow, that UK price is much lower than a 285. There is no way a 275 could be released at that price point (Assuming any ever make it to a store in the first place.).

That retailer is sellign the 4890 at almost the same price point as the 260 core 216 (only 5-15 pounds more).

Reply to daedalus685

I think jenny just assumes the OC headroom of a 4890 is that much far ahead of a 285 (I don't see it that way though)

But still, even at vender OC levels the 4890 (at least from teh prices I've seen so far) is a steal. How much did you pay Liquid, what is the comparison between a 285 on the price front?

Reply to daedalus685

I didn't pay anything for the 285s, they were staright free tradeup from bfg from my 280s. And my old 280s belonged to my friend who took my 9800 GX2s, since he doesn't game or anything and just does autocad.

But like I said, this card's price is no where near the 285. I bought it for 225 CAD

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Reply to L1qu1d

gtx 285 are $350 and 4890's will probably be $230 - $240 so that's approximately 50% cheaper...

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Reply to Nica Guy

$225? (I'm in canada as well so this makes me happy)

I have seen 1gb 4870's that high from some retailers.. This is a good 75 less than I was initially expecting.. The sapphire OC versions may very well retail for less than 300... Which is bloody amazing to me.

I mean, my retailer of choice currently has OCX versions of the 285 for $500.. we are talking double the price for what, 10% performance.. wow. Here comes another price war.. Goody

Reply to daedalus685

i think this release will be great, not only for it's really good performance but for his effect on the market...
$240 for almost the performance of a gtx 285 is really good...
however if the gtx 275 performs on par with the 4890 and it's close in price I'll get
one of those... or maybe a 285 if it comes to ~$270
i have ati atm i want to try nvidia

Reply to Nica Guy

I live in Toronto, so if you live in Toronto, go to Canada computers or Filtech. My friend owns filtech so he always gives me deals

I paid cash for the card

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Reply to L1qu1d

I've bought my last 5 systems from canada computers

Reply to daedalus685

Frankly I just dont see the 275 having the stocks to compete anywhere but on paper. If nvidia has to lower the 285 price (which given the results so far they will) the 275 woudl be pushed out of its lineup anyway... Unless they plan to have a 5 dollar gap between #1 and #2 cards...

I just dont see the point of the 275.. unless they have an aweful lot of "dud" 285's around they dont want to turn into 260's..

Reply to daedalus685

GTX285 vs 4890 stock (22/8) WINS
GTX285 vs 4890 OCed(8/22) WINS

Also not to mention that the games are EXTREMELY nVidia favoring

If they include AoC, GRID, Mass Effect we can see near 50/50 wins for GTX285 vs 4890 Stock

I think if this review is real then 4890 exceeded my expectations even

GOOD JOB AMD!!

Reply to rawsteel

!!! This is still beta drivers and when real good drivers come out soon we will be seeing stock performance coming close to GTX285 the factory OC edition in stock after a few driver updates will even GTX285 out.

Reply to rescawen

Is it just me or is the 4890 and the GTX 280 at stock exactly like the 4870 and GTX 260. When nVidia wins its only by a tiny amount, but ATI wins 1/3 the time with a decent lead. I'm saying that if these scores hold true, 4890 = GTX 285, just as 4870 1GB = GTX 260 216 core.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

Im thinking the gap has closed a little, maybe 3-6% overall, or almost 50% difference of the difference before

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

i'll let you guys know asap about the card

I'm pretty eager to go back to ATi, but I need to see driver stability. I left em ever since the 2900 XT which for the same money I bought 2 8800 GTS 320s.

I'll still use the 285s as the main till the new gen cards come otu, since those are sitll the dominant cards.

but for this price I would pissed about the price of the 285 GTX when it was out Good think I didn't pay a dime!

I'd say the 285 GTX will still lead, but for 50% less for the 4890, i don't see the 285 GTX selling at all, unless sli setups are manidtory. Even then.

Although there is no official 4890 X2 set out, we can still see what 4 4890s will do Crossfire. I'm just not a fan of anything over 3 GPUs.

Quick out of topic question, is stormrise a ATI/AMD game?

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Reply to L1qu1d

Lets see those Price Drops hehe

Reply to rawsteel

Id much rather see a 4890x2 and a single 4890, you know, like maybe nVidia might be able to finally do, if the 275 does indeed match the 295

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

1920x1200 4AA8AF

295GTX is only 5% average faster. (Max 10% min -2.5%)

compared to the overclocked its slower in EVERY tested game on that res.

wow

Reply to rawsteel

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

I think we were all pretty accurate, my caclulations were pretty exact (so far atleast) for stock 4890.

We should see water cooled version soon enough, and I just saw a 285 GTX water cooled going 820 mhz lol! So we should have an OC summer.

I might be going Water with my 285s but it seems pricey to get the water block! plus I prob need a bigger pump.

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Reply to L1qu1d

so what do you think i should do, wait for DX11 or just go ahead and get this

Reply to rangers

Nica Guy wrote :

gtx 285 are $350 and 4890's will probably be $230 - $240 so that's approximately 50% cheaper...

LOL I hope you're right. Cause I just spent $159 after MIR on my GTX 260 Core 216. Granted with video cards, the rule of thumb is always that something better comes out once you buy yours. Granted I'd still probably have bought my GTX 260, considering I didn't want to spend $230+ for an upgrade.

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Reply to jerreece

The point is you can not NOTICE the difference between the stock 4890 and the stock GTX 285. This is a good sign for ATI at this point, since the GTX 275 can't be faster than the 4890 since it would then be on par with the GTX 285. All this is assuming this review is correct and that the 4890 wont gain some FPS with a driver update to better optimize the higher clocks and different memory accessing.

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

^^ someone want to help me out

Reply to rangers

Id get this card. DX11 wont be out for awhile, and those cards wont either. Besides, they wont play DX11 all that well, and thats IF theres any DX11 games coming

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

sorry missed your question rangers, the 4890 is more than enough till the DX 11 cards which we should'd see till early sept -Nov 2009.

This card is coming out on thursday I'd wait and see how Nvidia retaliates, maybe prices will be forced again.

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Reply to L1qu1d

Good point, if nVidia cant get enough performance to be able to charge high rates on their cards, like they want to, it could force prices down again thanks to ATI

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Reply to JAYDEEJOHN

Yeah ATI must love us!

Reply to The_Blood_Raven

If we can see both cards for 200$ (highly unlikely for the 285 GTX atleast) I'll collapse lol.

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Reply to L1qu1d

JAYDEEJOHN wrote :

This close to the 285 means that if the 275 is to beat it, whats the point of the monstously priced 285? Wouldnt they then be the same card? Im thinking whoever bought a 285 with those elavated prices are going to be upset, muchlike the 280s when they came out

No. Im not upset. My card is still king and plays what I want at max.

Anyways, numbers look good for the 4890.

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Reply to spathotan

Welp, there goes stoopud ATI, going off and wrecking NV price rape game once again :cry:

Reply to SpinachEater

Pretty good chance they will phase out the GTX 260 and GTX 280 with this, putting the GTX 275 around $180 and GTX 285 around the $240-$260 mark.

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Reply to spathotan

boudy wrote :

Wow I cant believe it beat an NVIDIA card in Crysis! Thats amazing.

Is that news to you? Have you tried to run crysis on a TNT2 card lately?
Anyway, it only beats when its OC'ed which is not really fair.

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Reply to lejay

^ Actually the stock 4890 beats the GTX 285 in Crysis as well.

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Reply to The_Blood_Raven

L1qu1d wrote :

I don't get 1 thing though, Jenny you said that even an oced 285 GTX won't beat the 4890 when the 4890 is OCed to 1 ghz. I dunno I give up.

I really don't care, I just paid for the 4890 XFX, w.e. I still think the 285 GTX is faster, and OC should put it higher.

Thats what I see.

Well, what I said almost a week ago in the other thread is coming true considering these benchmarks.

The way I saw it then, and the way I still see it is this - A 4890 OC'd to 950mhz core is almost exactly the same as a stock 285gtx. I believe (rightly or wrongly) that the maxed oc'd 4890 will just be a tiny bit faster than the maxed OC'd 285gtx. It is so close they are practically even either way.

What those benchmarks don't show is ATI favourable games. No Grid or AoC for starters. The 4890 is taking on and beating the 285 in games that are known to be good towards Nvidia. On top of that, drivers can surely only make the 4890 faster still. The 285 has had a good few months of driver improvements already.

Imo, it really won't be long before the 4890 stock is ahead of the 285gtx stock, or at least equal.

Reply to jennyh

spathotan wrote :

Pretty good chance they will phase out the GTX 260 and GTX 280 with this, putting the GTX 275 around $180 and GTX 285 around the $240-$260 mark.

This could happen for consolidation purposes, and in that case it's fair enough of Nvidia to do that. However, it's going to end up with the end user having a lottery as to which 275 they get.

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