A Moderate Gaming PC

I'm Building a gaming PC right now (first PC to build) and I'm stuck between these options, any advice would be nice thank you:

EXTERNAL:
Case
Antec 300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
$60
OR
Antec 900 2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129058
$160

Monitor
Dell 22”
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-7438
$240

Mouse
Razer Lachesis
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-lachesis/
$80

Keyboard
Das Keyboard
http://store.daskeyboard.net/das2usbult.html
$130


INTERNAL:
Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16817256043
$230

Processor
Intel Core 2 Q9550 Quad Core Processor 2.83Ghz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Processors+-+Desktops-_-Intel-_-19115041
$280
OR
Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 Wolfdale 3.33Ghz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115054&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Processors+-+Desktops-_-Intel-_-19115054
$270
OR
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 3.16Ghz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Processors+-+Desktops-_-Intel-_-19115036
$190

Processor Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223
$50

Mother Board
ASUS P5N-D LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131232
$135
OR
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
$140

Graphics Card – Dual SLI
EVGA 512-P3-N973-TR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130435
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9800gt_us.html
$129.99 x2 = $260
OR
EVGA 896-P3-1257-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130433
$250
OR
Radeon HD 4870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801
$200

Memory - 8GB
G.SKILL 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231121
$24 x4 = $96
OR
G.SKILL HK 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBHK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231219
$45 x2 = $90

Drive – 1.2TB
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
$80 x2 = $160
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  1. For strictly gaming, you should go with an E8500 CPU and overclock it, it will be just as good as the E8600 and much cheaper. I would go with the Gigabyte board UD3P and get this GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102809
    Dell monitors are overpriced, you can do much better for the money there.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236033
    You don't need 8gb for gaming, 4gb is plenty. You will see no performance increase with that extra kit of ram. Get the G skill HK set.
    You don't need a 1000w PSU, a 850w will be enough for you to add another GPU later if you wish for Quadfire:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009&Tpk=850tx
    $130 for a keyboard?!? Seriously?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126034
    These cases are all better for the price:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160&Tpk=haf
    ===> I really like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119194&Tpk=storm%20sniper
    Zalman coolers are overpriced IMO, this one would be a better pick: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029&Tpk=s1283v
    Razor mice are also overpriced IMO, this one would do nicely: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104203

    Think about those options.
  2. For a heat sink the XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle is cheaper and cools better. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003

    If you want a quadcore and don't want the i7 platform, the AMD Phenom II 940BE is an excellent alternative to your intel solution.

    For video card, I'd just recommend a single card solution, you can't really go wrong, you get what you pay for with the 4870 and the GTX 260.

    Any particular reason you want a 1000W PSU, the system you have picked out under load is unlikely to break 400W under load.

    If you plan on keeping your case for your next upgrade get the 900, if you don't get the 300.
  3. Thanks for the input.
    I'm still leaning towards the Antec900 as a case because i like the option of being able to manually adjust the fan speeds...

    Yeah the keyboard is 130 but it's a great blank one so my roommate can't use the computer :P

    I'm dropping down to a 850W supply too...

    Ok when it comes to overclocking, I am a complete and total n00b... so could you elaborate on how it would help me more?
  4. Overclocking is a free CPU upgrade, it makes your processor run faster. Everything you do on your system will be faster if the CPU is the bottleneck, however the speed of your HDD and GPU will also be determining factors.
  5. will I need an 850W PSU if i want to crossfire 2 1gb HD4780 cards?
  6. 750w from corsair or PCP&C will do the job fine.
  7. thank you
  8. MykC said:
    For a heat sink the XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle is cheaper and cools better. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233003

    If you want a quadcore and don't want the i7 platform, the AMD Phenom II 940BE is an excellent alternative to your intel solution.

    For video card, I'd just recommend a single card solution, you can't really go wrong, you get what you pay for with the 4870 and the GTX 260.

    Any particular reason you want a 1000W PSU, the system you have picked out under load is unlikely to break 400W under load.

    If you plan on keeping your case for your next upgrade get the 900, if you don't get the 300.


    That Xigmatek is pretty much worthless for an Intel build without the retention bracket....sans the reason xkidx posted the Xigmatek Darknight seeing how it comes with the retention bracket.
  9. dekleining said:
    will I need an 850W PSU if i want to crossfire 2 1gb HD4780 cards?


    The E8400 does a nice mild overclock to 3.6Ghz @ 1600 FSB just by moving up your FSB to (9 x 400).

    With a nice mild overclock like that, you don't need a big honking expensive heatsink either. I didn't add the vid card for the fact that ATI 1 gig...or even the 512 4870 in Crossfire are both good choices. That ram has great timings and low latency...and it's on sale right now. CM690 is about as good as it gets for space and cooling for Crossfire/SLI at that price.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137 $89.99
    COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011 $109.99 ($99.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
    PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358 $134.99 ($114.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate)
    GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3P LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037 $164.99 Free Shipping*
    Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233001 $24.99 ($19.99 after $5.00 Mail-In Rebate)
    XIGMATEK HDT-S963 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233019 $8.49
    XIGMATEK ACK-I7751 Retention Bracket - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020 $6.99
    ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231209 $44.99 Free Shipping*
    G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319 $79.99 Free Shipping*
    Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152 $22.99 Free Shipping*
    LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488 $99.99 Free Shipping*
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050 $169.99 ($149.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate)
    ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ HDCP Support 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 5000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail
  10. How does this look? I'll be running 1680x1050 and I I would prefer to stay with Nvidia (personal preference) and I'm wondering if I should step it up to the gtx 280. Would it be worth the money? And, I don't NEED this system for about a month, will the price drop enough for me to wait or should i just get it now?


    SOFWARE:
    Vista 64-Bit
    Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders – OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488
    $100

    EXTERNAL:
    Case
    Antec 300
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042
    120x25mm BLUE
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209005
    $60 + $10x2 = $80
    OR
    120x25mm RED
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835209013
    $60 + $15x2 = $90

    Monitor
    ASUS VW224U Black 22" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ HDCP Support 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 5000:1) Built in Speakers
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050
    $170 (20 rebate)

    INTERNAL:
    Power Supply
    Corsair 650W
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
    $100 (20 rebate)

    Processor
    Intel Core i7
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
    $290

    Mother Board
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD4P LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128374
    $270 (20 rebate)

    Graphics Card
    EVGA 896-P3-1257-A1 GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130444
    $220 (20 rebate)

    Memory
    OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227375
    $100 (20 rebate)

    Drive
    Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
    $80 x2 = $160

    DVD Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152
    $25

    TOTAL
    $1525
    -100 rebates
    $1425
  11. I'd bump the power supply up to 750w for an eventual SLI of the GTX260 216.
    You seem to want bling, i liked the look of these case fans from Enermax (not available retail yet)
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/cebit-2009-tradeshow-coverage/2
    Fan controller (budget)
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998808
    perhaps this RAM DDR3 1600 7-7-7-24
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227381

    all pretty much nitpicks, i think the i7 system will pay off in the long run.
  12. Is the 1600mhz vs. 1333mhz going to make that much of a difference?
    If I ever plan to overclock it will only be moderate (3.0 or so)
  13. as mentioned above, id get the xigmatek cooler and a smaller psu. also, for the case, this is the one i have and it's great:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

    and go with the q9550 with the asus board.
  14. dekleining said:
    Is the 1600mhz vs. 1333mhz going to make that much of a difference?
    If I ever plan to overclock it will only be moderate (3.0 or so)


    nope.
  15. Will the 650W be enough for the eventual SLI with another gtx 260?
  16. dekleining said:
    Will the 650W be enough for the eventual SLI with another gtx 260?


    A 650w isn't going to do it for SLI. 750-850 for sure. That board down below is an SLI board and it's cheaper. As far as a card that consumes less power, and produces less heat, yet beats the 280...look at the gtx 285.

    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/01/16/nvidia-zotac-geforce-gtx-285-1gb/1 <---results for the gtx 285.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128386 $209.99
    GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R-SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
  17. You'd be at about 550w-600w at full GPU/CPU load with the overclocked i7 system and the GTX260 216 (which doesn't happen often except when benching). Difference comes if the GPU is a 65nm or 55nm and if the GPUs are overclocked. A 650w would probably be sufficient for the build, i just like a bit more headroom and having the PSU run at about 60% of it's rating.
  18. I checked and the card is 55nm. It's moderately overclocked i think.
    I will only be mildly overclocking the CPU (3.0).

    Will i still need the 750W if i buy another gtx260 when they get cheaper in the next month or so?
  19. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341011 $109.99 ($99.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
    PC Power & Cooling S75CF 750W EPS12V SLI NVIDIA SLI Certified (Dual 8800 GTX and below) CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
  20. Alright, last question.
    I've never owned anything Asus. I understand the TN panel LCD will be cheap but will it be goodish? Is Asus quality better than Acer? or Hanns G?


    Thanks so much for everything.

    TH.com forums are the best on the web.

    I'm ordering next week.
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