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Ati 4890 vs Nvidia 275 vote

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Which one you preffer ? or would buy ?

Total: 114 votes (28 blank votes)

  • Nvidia 275
  • 33 %
  • Ati 4890
  • 68 %
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Neither is the winner. They are both massaged versions of current products and continue the dead heat the GTX 260 (216) and HD 4870 were in. Flip a coin or go with your brand loyalty. You'll game great regardless.
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Why? there arent even retail versionsof the 275 out there yet.. how can anyone possibly make an educated vote on this poll at this point in time.. Its pretty clear that both cards are almost identical.. if and when the 275 is released on mass we will almost certainly see the same thing we did with teh 260 and 4870 last summer. Take your pic, flip a coin, same old story.
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I would probably go with the 4890, but the gtx 275 isn't a bad choice either. I have owned both nvidia and ati products and have liked both. The deciding factors for me are price and future plans. If you have an SLI board and want to SLI in the future or you are a fan of nvidia, go with the 275. If you have a crossfire capable board and want to crossfire in the future or if you want a slightly better price/performance ratio, go with the 4890.

I know this thread is old, but just to clear things up for the readers here are the facts:

The GTX 275 tends to be faster when compared stock vs stock, but in my opinion it is not enough to justify the extra $$. The Sapphire Toxic/Atomic editions best the GTX 285 at stock and overclock very well after that and tend to trade blows with it, though from my experience they seem to come out on top.

The 4890 is a great card for the price.
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though I voted for the 4890 I am tempted by the improved visuals PhysX can offer - based on a few youtube examples I saw ages back, seemed pretty impressive !
Anyone think that PhysX is a descision breaker ???

but Asus (with Voltage Tweak for extra OCing) and others are selling cheap, £160 ish, 4890 that come with 950MHz core and 3900MHz mem

Dam tempting...

...but I think my trusty old 8800GT will hold me out till next Gen comes for my old 22" CRT 1600x1200 gaming

and then 1900x1200 gaming goodness on new screen too ^^
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The cards are pretty much identical on performance, the 4890 is what $40-$50 cheaper? Unless you desperately need PhysX it's a no-brainer. The 275 is a good solid card though, definitely the top end Nvidia choice which basically makes it 1 of only 2 Nvidia cards worth buying, the other being the gtx260 although with the current 4870 prices even that is beginning to look very overpriced.
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yeah, that all sounds about right and would prefer to buy ATI and support the underdog anyway

especially as they have the (better - maybe) cheaper card :) 


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i have to agree with The_Blood_Raven just wait you are not going to DIE. Its unreasonable to buy a 250-350 card knowing AT LEAST there will be a newer better faster AND cheaper (40nm). Stock VS stock 275 wins but almost all owners oc the graphic card and if you dont believe me i say it clear Most of the readers of a review to any graphics card checks the overclocking of the card. any reader checks the oc ability of the vga. so After oc i must say most 4890 variants beat the 275 if u r going to die either get the atomic 4890 or 275 FTW. or wait for msi gtx 275 lightning black edition ;)  i think it tops all

i currently own a gtx 275 MSI dual frozr edition. It rocks but yet im no nvidia fan boy.. In my own opinion nobody who doesnt own one of these cards should be posting. Your only reading what the internet says and not what you say.. I do agree that ati sometimes has prices beat over Nvidia but i talk to some people who own 4890's in games and my gtx 275 is absolutely destroying them. But to be fair the 4890 and gtx 275 throw punches they were made to compete with eachother. Facts are youll see better gameplay in some games then others depending on the card. The real question is what kind of game are you planning to run?
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matm1234 said:
i currently own a gtx 275 MSI dual frozr edition. It rocks but yet im no nvidia fan boy.. In my own opinion nobody who doesnt own one of these cards should be posting. Your only reading what the internet says and not what you say.. I do agree that ati sometimes has prices beat over Nvidia but i talk to some people who own 4890's in games and my gtx 275 is absolutely destroying them. But to be fair the 4890 and gtx 275 throw punches they were made to compete with eachother. Facts are youll see better gameplay in some games then others depending on the card. The real question is what kind of game are you planning to run?


So, listening to professional revewers who make a living at grading cards is stupid, but listening to random stories from people you meet online who may not know a thing about comptuers is the way to go? Logical fail good sir. I got a good laugh from this I must say, damn those phoney reviewers makng *** up eh! I want to listen to uncredited randoms who bought both cards in order to become their own reviewers... far more believeable source as they are not influenced by 'the man.' Damn people for useing viable sources for thier oppinions! Stating thins like that makes you come off as a raving conspiracy nut by the way, though you are certainly not alone in the paranoid thoughts about authority figures (skepticism is good, blindness not so much)..

Both are fine cards, if one is too dim to get thier 4890 working as well as your 275 (or at least close enough not to be 'destroyed') they are not worth the energy to listen to.

If you want to buy both cards go ahead and make your own review.. but enough with your conspiracy mumbo-jumbo about reviews (granted some are idiots, but if you are unable to rank the validity of a review based on sources, settings, etc. you shuld not be on the internet.)

To add, I feel dirty for posting in a thread that was useless in april...

To mach trolling form both sides (ati fanboys and nvidia fanboys).

That is wrong with this fanboys is (ATI or NVIDIA) giving them a share of its profits to support it to death?

The truth is that both cards perform the same.

matm1234 said:
i currently own a gtx 275 MSI dual frozr edition. It rocks but yet im no nvidia fan boy.. In my own opinion nobody who doesnt own one of these cards should be posting. Your only reading what the internet says and not what you say.. I do agree that ati sometimes has prices beat over Nvidia but i talk to some people who own 4890's in games and my gtx 275 is absolutely destroying them. But to be fair the 4890 and gtx 275 throw punches they were made to compete with eachother. Facts are youll see better gameplay in some games then others depending on the card. The real question is what kind of game are you planning to run?


The GTX 275 performs slightly better than a 4890, but in no way destroys it. However, for the price of that card you could get a Toxic or Atomic edition of the 4890 which both best a slightly factory overclocked GTX 285, and damn near run neck and neck with it when both are overclocked. That said your card is a great on still and if you SLI it later you will be in gaming heaven. Just try to keep things in prospective, none of the cards will ever destroy the other because at most we are talking about a 10 paper FPS difference that equates to basically nothing in gaming experience.

successful_troll said:
To mach trolling form both sides (ati fanboys and nvidia fanboys).

That is wrong with this fanboys is (ATI or NVIDIA) giving them a share of its profits to support it to death?

The truth is that both cards perform the same.



excatly, however HD4890 gives that same for less, so it should be a no brainer yes? unless you will hate ATI

Have any of you PhysX fanbois ever tryed to run it on the same card thats doing the rendering? It sucks (at least in UTIII). It will drag your framerates to sh*t, if your going to use an nVidia card for PhysX, make sure its not the same one your using to render the game.

The HD 4890 is generally cheaper, but that doesn't mean it is always better. In addition to price, the winner of the HD 4890 / GTX 275 debate can also be determined by what kind of games one plays (ex - Mirror's Edge, Battle Forge), whether or not they believe in the advantages of CUDA, PhysX, and/or DX 10.1, how much they like to fold, and where one gets their information...

Examples of articles / benchmarks / reviews with sometimes notably different results / conclusions...

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2009/04/03/ra...
http://www.techspot.com/review/164-radeon-4890-vs-gefor...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/bfg-gf-g...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3539&p=23
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-char...

Final thoughts:

The HD 4890 does not flat out dominate the GTX 275 and the GTX 275 does not wipe the floor with the HD 4890. Both cards are competitive with each other and offer unique advantages in certain situations.

If you are tight on cash, go for the HD 4890. If you are a little bit better on cash and want a good card with a nice overclock, go with the Zotac card you mentioned in your first post.
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andy5174 said:
According to THG's GFX performance chart, the GTX275 is significantly better. However, the price difference makes HD4890 a better buy!

Where does it say the GTX275 is "significantly" better?
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Teamspeak/Ventrilo were supremely optimized, they run good on a PII (I'm talking Pentium II, not the Phenom II).
Let me clear this up for you.

Browsers (since you didn't specify I will assume IE8), Teamspeak, & video players use the *CPU*.

PhysX & Graphics use the *GPU*, what you are running in the background will do nothing as Batman with that kind of settings will be GPU limited as long as you have a modern C2D, Phenom, Phenom II/Athlon II, Core i5/i7.


Think about it, PhysX is developed by nVidia, OpenCL is COMPLETELY open & free, DirectCompute comes with DirectX 11.
PhysX has NO place in this world now. DirectCompute & OpenCL blow it away.
Not only to mention that but there's always the CPU, CryENGINE 2's in-engine physics rival PhysX, and that's done on the CPU.
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Quote:
sabot00 - I guess my response to you and people that have said the same thing ten thousand times is this: When you are whining your butts off about PhysX being proprietary because you bought an ati card and can't use it without driver hacks, I was SMART about the matter and bought NVIDIA since for right now and for the foreseeable future:

PHYSX will run on Nvidia cards and not ati cards - and until your open cl commie dream comes true - YOU ARE MISSING OUT.
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Now I don't think our beloved too big to fail government will allow AMD to go down in flames taking ATI with it - but there is a chance ati card owners will be left in the cold for drivers, and as far as that goes, since amd/ati is bleeding money and billions in the hole and losing more every year, there is no doubt the driver teams are cut to the bare minimum and have been for FOR YEARS.

I do believe that's a sufficient answer for you.

I don't believe in or understand the constant whine that this or that standard has to be open. What happens - what has ALWAYS happened is some company has developed something and if the large industry heads offer enough they group up and pay for making some works for all thing....

The problem is - some independent company almost always is the leading edge to get something new going, and INSTEAD OF the dummies I see filled with criticism ranting about it (PhysX) in this case, they should be praising the LEADER for breaking new ground.

I guess nowadays the communist mindset is so indoctrinated in the populace that they think they can use the power of government and other top down control methods to STEAL anything anyone developes - so long as THEIR favorite company is NOT WILLING to pay for and their little purchased item therefore CAN'T DO IT.

I mean - it's not that hard to deal with right now. Buy Nvidia.

If PhysX becomes so good (or any other implementation) and the big players want to make some set standard - then THEY have a right to do so - OR NOT.

You may support any other type of physics you like - I have no problem with that at all. However for NOW -

P H Y S X is the best there is for gamers, and I AM NOT GOING TO BUY A RED CARD THEN SCREAM PHYSX SUCKS and whine it's proprietary at the same time !

ATI and NVIDIA are PRIVATE COMPANIES and they casn do as they please and as they choose. Since ATI has tried to create bullet physics and basically FAILED - do they NOW have a right to free PHYSX, or do they have a right to scream at NVIDIA when their PhysX is SUCCESSFUL ?

Now those are some of my beliefs behind the matter. I DO NOT subscribe to the neo-pop cultural groupthink in this matter, and FOR GOOD REASON.
It is absolutely ridiculous.

Sigh, obvious nVidia troll.
I'll try to explain this.
I have:
Bishock
Far Cry 2
Assassin's Creed
Crysis (Warhead/WARS)
C&C 3
Red Alert 3
Half Life 2 (Episode 1/2)
STALKER (Shadow/Clear Sky)

Not a single one of those supports PhysX.

OpenCL is the opposite of communist. It's entirely open-source, free, royalty-free.
And P H Y S X isn't the best for gamers, it depends on what you have, PhysX is a API. How good it is depends entirely on the developer. a DX10 game doesn't necessarily look good.
If even 25% of most modern games (with-in 2-3 years) supports PhysX I would buy a nVidia card. Right now PhysX is the same as Eyefinity, it's a BONUS, it applies only to a certain group of people. PhysX only applies to games that support it as Eyefinity applies only to people with multiple monitors.

"PHYSX will run on Nvidia cards and not ati cards - and until your open cl commie dream comes true - YOU ARE MISSING OUT."
I am not missing out because my games do not support PhysX.

"since amd/ati is bleeding money and billions in the hole and losing more every year"
The graphics division of AMD (aka ATI) is not losing money, they blasted the technology part of graphics since the 3XXX series, first to use GDDR4, first to use GDDR5, first to use 40nm process, first to support DX10.1, first to suppport DX11, first to support DisplayPort. Don't give me any nVidia is first to support PhysX crap, everything I stated can be used by anyone with Vista or Win 7.

"I mean - it's not that hard to deal with right now. Buy Nvidia."
There are many price points where ATI simply kills nVidia. I agree many nVidia cards are great (GT 220/240, GTS 250, GTX260/275) but it is up to the buyer what options are more important.


Graphics card Master

Yes, he just a nVidia troll... just ignore him.
Agree with rolli59... This is an old poll, and u can see clearly the person who is opened this old poll...

I did buy nVidia silicondoc, I bought a pair of 8800GT to run in SLi. I bought two of their inferior chipsets to go with so that I could run SLi. Then I upgraded to a 4870. Am I allowed to use PhysX? Nope, nVidia wants to shut me out.
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