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March 13, 2009 5:15:16 AM

New Desktop Gaming build. Any improvements and such will be appreciated.



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Harddrive:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: (x2)
EVGA 01G-P3-1155-TR GeForce GTS 250 1GB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:
OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ550FTY 550W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MotherBoard:
ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor:
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler:
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Case:
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Burner:
LG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GH22NS30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor:
ASUS VW246H Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders
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March 13, 2009 6:22:17 AM

If you're going to get a second video card, change the PSU to Corsair TX850. If not then BFG LS550. Both are better quality than the CM as well as cheaper.

Change the RAM to 4GB of G.Skill Pi Black.

Intel mobos are very good, but if you're planning to OC I'd recommend the Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P (CF) or UD3R (no CF).

The Xigmatech Dark Knight is a better cooler for $10 less.
March 13, 2009 6:56:55 AM

While HEC (Compucase) makes some decent budget cases, their power supplies are low quality. The case you picked comes with an included power supply that's really a waste of money, especially if you're also getting a different power supply. One place you should start your research is the System Builder Marathon articles here at Tom's. They have several builds at the $625, $1,250 budgets with good benchmarks showing performance for different processors and graphic cards.

$1,250 systems (not including operating system, monitor, keyboard or mouse.)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-2-overclock,21...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-overclock,2...

$625 systems, not including OS, monitor, keyboard and mouse
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/overclock-e5200-rad...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-2-overclock,21...
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March 13, 2009 8:59:45 AM

Give us a general idea of how much you want to spend, what you need (mouse, keyboard, speakers...?), and the size of monitor you will use with it (monitor resolution is very important when considering a gaming build). We can build you the best PC for you price range if you give us this info, but saying that price isn't too much of an issue makes us tend to get overenthusiastic about building the best system out there, rather than something more practical and reasonable ;) 
March 13, 2009 12:55:59 PM

All good advice. One missed point though, you've selected a Micro-ATX case, which is too small for a regular ATX mobo.
For budget cases, I've used both Coolermaster and Rosewill. I much prefer the cheap Rosewills, any of them. Every Coolermaster had build issues, from untapped screwholes to ill-fitting tool-free pieces and misalignment. No Rosewill had any of those problems, but they are budget cases, so they may feel flimsy when apart.
March 13, 2009 2:52:20 PM

Basically need everything. Haven't actually started buying anything, and since left my computer with my parents before I left, don't have anything to start off with. Monitor not included, probably looking to spend no more than 13-1500... So hoping for a final end price of roughly 17-2000 max.

Monitor size, probably around 20-22in. But basically, feel free to max out on it within those ranges I guess.
March 13, 2009 7:52:20 PM

$USD? If that is canadian or australian dollars, you are looking at the right components...but in USD you can do much better than what you are looking at. You could do something like this:
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...
I would then upgrade the PSU to Corsair 850tx and Case to CM 690 if you felt you could spend a little more.

Monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thats probably about $1800...sorry too lazy to actually do that math.
March 13, 2009 7:56:57 PM

Yes, USD. Sorry.

And as for the list, I read that Intel usually a lot better than ATX
March 13, 2009 8:56:28 PM

Yes. Very likely using Vista. 64 & premium. And Ram will probably try to max out until reaches point of where doesn't matter so much anymore how much i have.
March 13, 2009 9:05:54 PM

alexoldshane said:
And as for the list, I read that Intel usually a lot better than ATX

...I'm not sure what you are talking about here...ATX is not a brand name, its the size of the motherboard. That Asus mobo in that build is a very good one. Intel makes some very decent mobo's, but I prefer a third party for mobo's because I feel that intel charges too much for what they offer, and you can get just as good build quality from somewhere else.
March 13, 2009 9:12:01 PM

Alex,

You have a microATX case and a ATX motherboard, Those are not compatible with each other. Also that motherboard is ddr3 standard, and the ram you listed is ddr2 Those are not compatible :non:  . Also i think you could of made a lot better choices. I disagree with buying a lot of the things you listed. Their are much better alternatives. For one the evga gtx 260 core 216 out performs that 4870 1gb at the same price. 2nd the q9550 is nearly 300$ basically the same price as a much more superior core i7 920. If i were you i'd rethink all this and maybe go with an i7build, you can make a good build for around 1,000$. Note to self, don't buy a cheap motherboard or case, at one point your going to want to overclock and if your case isn't cool enough or your motherboard is weak, you won't be able to do much overclocking at all.

Intel branded motherboards are not recommended for system builders just because they are not exactly made with overclocking in mind compared to other boards. You should get something a bit more classy like a Asus, XFX, or Evga. The three i listed are all good overclockers.


It looks like you still have a lot to learn, your list includes items that are not compatible with each other. However you will learn overtime, just don't go cheap on the motherboard or case. And really think about going with I7 its the best future proof available, because it uses ddr3 along with the new socket 1336 (I7).
March 13, 2009 9:29:46 PM

Sorry, like i said, new to building computers so kinda just threw together what sounded decent from the very little i do know. =/


So, anyone want to make a hypothetical gaming computer ranging from 1300-1500 USD? Not including monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers
March 13, 2009 9:34:42 PM

Did you look at the link I posted? That was a build for you to go off of, and you probably can't do much better than that build.
March 13, 2009 9:46:04 PM

I just looked at it. Sorry, was in class at the time and wasn't able to look at it very well before hand. As stated before, would the Ram be needed to be put up to 4gigs with the Vista 64Bit Premium? Also, what would the difference be between regular vista, and for system builders?
March 13, 2009 10:01:36 PM

32bit OS will only see up to 4gb of ram. Vista Home Premium 64 will see up to 16gb of ram. The difference between regular vista and the system builders is that you don't get phone support from Microsoft.
March 13, 2009 10:05:20 PM

okay. so...if using premium 64, will the 6gig be sufficient?

and, not 100% software computer savvy. like, never had to call microsoft for phone support but NEVER had a problem with XP that I couldn't figure out, and if difference is no phone support then my guess would make system builder edition bit more versatile in the personalization i'm guessing?
March 13, 2009 10:09:23 PM

alexoldshane said:
I just looked at it. Sorry, was in class at the time and wasn't able to look at it very well before hand. As stated before, would the Ram be needed to be put up to 4gigs with the Vista 64Bit Premium? Also, what would the difference be between regular vista, and for system builders?


here is the link to the ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You want to get the system builder edition, all that means is that its the OEM, which means without the retail box. Most people buy the system builder edition, theres no need to have the retail box. Also make sure you get the 64 bit edition.

When building you first start up vista in some cases it will not see that you have 6gb of ram, this is a bug in vista, it might actually be fixed by now. All you have to do is when you build the pc start with just one 2gb stick then once vista is installed and running you put the other 2 in and everything will be fine. There is no limitation on the amount ram, i believe the highest you can get so far is 12gb of ram. As far as phone support goes i never heard of that before, if you call MS i doubt they would hang up on you.
March 13, 2009 10:37:23 PM

mpain55 said:
and 32 bit vs 64bit doesn't pose a maximum on your ram like that last poster said. I'm actually running 32 bit with 8gb of ram so obviously 4gb is not the maximum. Thier is never a maximum amount of ram, your are limited to what is available, maybe when vista was released their was no such thing as 2gb sticks of ram.

LOL You are an idiot. Of course you can install 8gb of ram using a 32 bit. But you won't be able to use it. 2gb sticks of ram have been around for a long time. 4gb is the cap using a 32bit OS, if you go with a 64 bit then it varies from 8gb on home basic to 128gb on ultimate. Check your system configuration. If you are using a 32bit os, then it will say you have between 3 and 4gb of system memory, depending on how much memory your GPU has. If it says you have 8gb, then you have a 64bit OS.
March 13, 2009 10:47:10 PM

Hmm...well, I've got everything sitting in my cart now. Roughly around 1900 total. Monitor, and everything like that. Now, just need to find a set of speakers that aren't garbage. So, now where can i find some type of info/guide type deal that can instruct me as to how i need to go about putting it all together? would rather not break anything as i'm assembling it. =/
March 13, 2009 10:54:49 PM

just watch youtube videos of people building, thats what i did when i started. Its actually very easy. search things like how to install a new cpu, or how to install a video card etc.
March 13, 2009 10:57:12 PM

hmm...okay cool. ty.

well, not going to purchase for a bit, but figured having the info i need and products at hand be a good idea for a bit later. any additional info feel be helpful would appreciate. definitely going to lurk around a bit so will not go to waste.
March 13, 2009 11:07:28 PM

alexoldshane said:
okay. so...if using premium 64, will the 6gig be sufficient?

and, not 100% software computer savvy. like, never had to call microsoft for phone support but NEVER had a problem with XP that I couldn't figure out, and if difference is no phone support then my guess would make system builder edition bit more versatile in the personalization i'm guessing?

A 64bit OS does not require more memory, it just allows you to use more memory...whether or not 6gb of memory is sufficient is dependant on what apps you use on your PC. For gaming, its plenty. For Video editing, maybe you want more. If you have a problem with your install or something then Microsoft will not troubleshoot for you over the phone with an OEM, but that's it really. Getting the OEM system builders is what I would do.
March 13, 2009 11:23:17 PM

Man o man...This subject is going to go on for a while. Alex you came to the right place for learning about computers. Your are in for one Hell of an education though. Grab a pen/pencil and tablet and start taking notes from these guys. You will need everything you can get from them and Remember...No such thing as a "Stupid ?"...Just the "Wrong ?".
March 15, 2009 7:19:05 AM

Okay guys. So, very likely to go with that build i was given. Runs me roughly 1900 with everything. Now, just wondering what kind of tools i'm going to need. What sizes, any extra parts, etc.

Stuff like that. Any ideas or is it different for each thing?
March 15, 2009 10:28:54 AM

Typically all you'll need is a phillips screwdriver. You probably should use an anti-static wrist strap. You may want needle-nose pliers if you are fumble-fingered, to help with the front panel headers, and possibly some cable ties for wire management.
March 15, 2009 1:20:18 PM

alexoldshane said:
Okay guys. So, very likely to go with that build i was given. Runs me roughly 1900 with everything. Now, just wondering what kind of tools i'm going to need. What sizes, any extra parts, etc.

Stuff like that. Any ideas or is it different for each thing?


Tools all you need is a basic phillips head screwdriver. You probably already have one.

The only extra thing you might want is a better heatsink that the default one thats included with the core i7 920. I would recommend the Cooler Master V8 its definitely the most popular choice for core i7 heatsinks http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The reason for buying a better heatsink is to keep your temperature on the cpu as low as possible, and being able to overclock without overheating. Even if you don't plan on overclocking when you first get your new pc, its always a good idea to have that extra cooling in place. And then when the day comes that you want to overclock, you won't have to go through the hassle of pulling out the motherboard and replacing the heatsink.
March 15, 2009 5:43:13 PM

Oh. I was originally going with this as my powersupply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and this as my cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



With my current build, how well would it be running exactly? like, is there anything on there that is just in a lot less quality than the other peices, or they all about the same.

Wanting a computer that runs very nicely, little to no noise, great graphics, and fast.
March 15, 2009 7:24:26 PM

The V8 is kinda expensive for the performance it gives, the DK does very well, you don't need to change it unless you want the flashiness of th v8.

The PSU you have will be fine for any single GPU you want to use, but if you will use xfire or sli then you should go with a better one.
March 15, 2009 11:31:12 PM

Hmm...well, i'm using the build you made me xthekidx. Haven't looked at it again to check specifically, but doesn't it use xfire? and i'm not in for looks, mostly for performance, less space, and functionability
March 15, 2009 11:58:09 PM

The build I showed you uses 1 GTX 285, which should be fine for any game you want to play, unless you have a monitor at greater than 1920x1200 resolution. Another option you could do to save some money, you could buy two 4850's and xfire them on that mobo, which will cost less that the gtx 285. That PSU I chose for that build will do alright for 4850's xfired, but it would be better to have like a 650tx. 2x4850's in xfire will take up more space though, generate more heat, and use more power than the GTX 285.
March 16, 2009 2:46:46 PM

So, saying i should change the GTX out for the 4850's for more power along with a better cooler and PSU or the cooler and psu currently got be okay?
March 16, 2009 8:48:44 PM

Yeah they should be ok, ATI recommends a 600w+ PSU for 4870's xfired, so 550w for 4850's should be fine, and that PSU has 50A on the 12v rails which is more than most 550w psu's.
March 16, 2009 8:52:31 PM

So, playing MMORPGS like FFXI, WarHammer, high frequency people, lot of action, etc. Shouldn't have any lag or anything right? mostly the thing i'll be doing on it, so yeah. just don't feel like having to update every 2 months.
March 16, 2009 9:07:00 PM

Should be just peachy.
March 16, 2009 9:12:33 PM

so, any suggestions as to what ones should go with then? as seen by initial setup bad with selections... lol
March 16, 2009 9:28:48 PM

lol this is going to confuse you after that conversation, but I would actually recommend getting two of these, after looking at prices:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Those cards will be faster than 4850's, and consume less power for the same price about. Since you are going to use a reliable SLI board, no reason not to consider them. I'm just not in the habit of suggesting using sli cards because sli was not reliable until recently.
March 16, 2009 10:11:53 PM

Yes. Read this to give you an idea of how they stack up, 2 GTS 2501gb will do slightly better than the 9800 GTX+ SLI they used (GTS 250 is basically a 9800 GTX+ on a smaller manufacturing process, it uses the same processor.) They Used 512mb cards, you are looking at 1gb cards, so yours will do better, especially at higher resolutions.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3517&p=1
March 16, 2009 11:36:23 PM

Okay. Updated my build again. Now, just to clarify. All gonna need to put it together is a set of screwdrivers?

And so, compared to most of the builds companies make and put on the market, how comparable is it? Like, if a company built this same design, how much more/less would it be sold for?

And how well will it run? You said peachy, but I'm looking for never lagging more or less. Girlfriend plays WoW, and I run FFXI and Warhammer, so the whole lag thing is a pain in the ass when actually playing the rare occassions we do have time.

Its very likely i'll be building her this same computer if it runs well enough, just need to know so dont get it and be pissed its not up to standards ya know? =/
March 17, 2009 2:15:37 AM

I think if you bought this from an OEM like Dell you would be paying upwards of $2k. I will be surprised if you lag on anything less than a 28" monitor in those games, that rig should be able to handle crysis at 1920x1200.
March 17, 2009 2:20:45 AM

Sweet. So, a screwdriver set is all i'll need. Any extra screws or like...what?
March 17, 2009 2:25:50 AM

all screws and cables should come included with the stuff you have ordered. A pair of needle nose pliers can be helpful too, but yes a screwdriver is the only necessary tool you should need.
March 17, 2009 2:27:17 AM

badass. and can just youtube the how to assemble bit then? or any chance of some of that coming with the assembly instructions. such as the case for example, unless preassembled...
March 17, 2009 2:40:00 AM

Nice. Can usually hook everything up if bought from a company w/o needing the instuctions, but when actually dealing with the hardware, dont want to break anything. haha. awesome help man. =]

i'll be sure to check back once i get to purchasing the stuff. payday/refund needs to hurry up and get here
March 17, 2009 3:02:36 AM

Pick up some zip ties too so you can tie up your lose cables.
March 17, 2009 3:10:41 AM

good idea. any idea how small the screws are in the sets? or just a full all out screwdriver set?
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