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March 13, 2009 8:53:13 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Finger over Checkout button >.>

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Video Encoding, Web Browsing, Office, Multitasking all of the above.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: K/B, Mouse, Monitor, Controllers, speakers.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.newegg.com (why use anything else XD)

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD, ATI, MSI, Antec

OVERCLOCKING: Hello! Ya! 4GHZ or Bust!

CROSSFIRE: Double or Nothing !

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x720 ( My 42" Vizio Tv does 1080i, wasn't happy with current Comp above this Res. Would Like higher. Bigger Is Better >.>)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Current System: AthlonX2 5000BE @ 3GHZ, MSI V.7338
4GB Supertalent 5-5-5-18 Ram. 650W Atnec Neopower Zalman CNPS9700. Antec Sonata 2 case. 1xMSI HD3650 Stock OC gfx.

Very happy with my current system, but I need MORE POWER. This system currently takes all of the above System Usage with an average load temp of 50C. Noisy as a room full of wild animals when all fans @ full power.


That being said, my OCD self wants MORE POWER. I am aiming @ an overclocked Phenom II. and I have most of it assembled on new egg atm, just wanted some opinions on the system I am about to build. My goal is $1k USD. I would like to look @ water cooling as well, but I'm weary of it as I do not kno alot about it.

Current System On Newegg.

Mobo: Asus M3A78-T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As I said above, I would luv an MSI board, but I don't seee very encouraging things about them. I believe a 790GX board will be fine, I do want to be "Dragon" compliant. Is there any real advantages with regards to my end goal with the 790FX boards?

Graphics: 2xMSI Radeon 4830s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I was really unhappy with my Radeon Stock OCed HD3650 in my last build, had artifacts all the time. I do want to give MSI another shot tho, my X1650Pro from them was a champ. Is the Performance from the 4850's Really worth the extra 60$?

Ram Gskill 1066 DDR2 4GB kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This Ram has Rave reviews on newegg, it lured me away from the OCZ Reaper Series I was originally going to purchase. Though all my efforts tho, I don't kno what to look for in a Ram for an overclocked system. Would this Ram perform decently with this board in an OCed condition? Would U recommend some other type/brand of Ram?


I have 4GB atm, and windows XP, so I only get 3.25gb. With paging completely disabled in windows, i have never run out of Ram or gotten memory issues. So I opted out of buying 2 of these kits.

Case/PSU Antec 900 Case with TP750 PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

I saw this, and drooled. The case looks ok, right in my price range of 100$ but getting the 170$ for 100 with the combos and rebates... Sold. Combined with Zalman 9700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Do U think there is adequate cooling for this processor? Should I look into a NB cooler as well, since I will be trying to overclock the board as well as the CPU Multiplier? Is this PSU going to be enough to Power an OCed Phenom, 2 4830's 1DVD Burn. and 1-3 HDDs without an issue?

I didnt mention the HDDs and DVDs I have on newegg, as they are just cheap generic units.

Current System As Configures is @ 961 USD, counting all Combo deals and excluding 30$ in Mail in rebates (u send them out and they get lost or Denied cuz the print wore off the recpiet 1/2 the time XD. I've gotten 2 MIR in my life. 6$ each for a box of floppies)


Any replies would be appreciated. I am dying to click this button, but don't wanna screw myself like I did when I bought my current board before ppl started complaining about popped caps and 125w Limits, only to see the V2 released soon after build was complete. ><
March 13, 2009 9:26:29 PM

Just get one of these for now, your monitor is too small to use 2x4830's. Save up money and get a 24" monitor and then buy a second of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This case/PSU is much better deal, better PSU and the case is just as good, more roomy and about the same cooling just not as flashy as the 900. If you go with this combo you should be able to afford two of those 4850's or maybe a better monitor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

If you want it to be flashier, you can get a side window for it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get this HDD, one of the fastest out there:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That cooler is overpriced, get this one instead, better and cheaper:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 14, 2009 6:40:35 AM

Thank you for ur reply! I think i'm gonna go with that case/psu combo, but unfortunately they are outta of the Gigabyte Boards ><. I'm gonna check with my local PC store, see what they can order for me.

i've used this zalman cooler in the past, and I really do like it. As far as overpriced, I paid 80$ for the one I have no lol.

This brought my total cost down to about 920$, provided my friends @ the PC store can hook me up with the giga board for 140$.

March 14, 2009 8:01:35 AM

xthekidx said:
Just get one of these for now, your monitor is too small to use 2x4830's. Save up money and get a 24" monitor and then buy a second of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You do know 4830's in CF are better than 4850's in cf?

If you want crossfire then go for either 4830's or 4870's(preferably 4870's)

For phenom II, wait for the 925 or 960, My guess is that the 925 will beat the I7 920 since the 720 BE results are suggesting that, so the 960 will probably be in between the I7 940 and 965.

March 14, 2009 10:02:41 AM

Helloworld_98 said:
You do know 4830's in CF are better than 4850's in cf?

If you want crossfire then go for either 4830's or 4870's(preferably 4870's)

For phenom II, wait for the 925 or 960, My guess is that the 925 will beat the I7 920 since the 720 BE results are suggesting that, so the 960 will probably be in between the I7 940 and 965.

4830's and 4850's xfire perform similarly at low resolutions, but at higher resolutions 4850s xfire'd are better. I would like to see a review where 4830's xfire'd actually beat 4850's xfire'd at any resolution. Since he will only be using one for the time being, get the better of the two GPU's now. He can run a 4830 in xfire with a 4850 later if he wants to save money, but 2 4850's would be better, or even a 4870+4850.

AMD coming out with a CPU that beats the i7 is a long way off...you realize the Phenom II 925 is just the 920 remade with a DDR3 memory controller right? The 960 might give the i7 a run for its money at stock, but the overclocking potential of the i7 will win out that competition.

March 14, 2009 10:45:53 AM

xthekidx said:

AMD coming out with a CPU that beats the i7 is a long way off...you realize the Phenom II 925 is just the 920 remade with a DDR3 memory controller right? The 960 might give the i7 a run for its money at stock, but the overclocking potential of the i7 will win out that competition.


Well actually the 925 is a complete 720 and that was giving the I7 a bit of a scare, Now what do you think the extra core will do eh?
March 14, 2009 11:02:41 AM

Helloworld_98 said:
Well actually the 925 is a complete 720 and that was giving the I7 a bit of a scare, Now what do you think the extra core will do eh?

It will limit the overclocking potential of the chip because it will be generating more heat. The i7 920 can overclock over 4ghz, the Phenom II 720 cannot break 3.8ghz that I have seen and it has an unlocked multiplier, the i7's is locked. Clock for clock, the i7 is much faster than the Phenom II chips. At stock speeds, the PII 720 is clocked higher than the i7 920 which is why it can compete in games. Having the extra cores does does nothing for the i7 in most games since only a handful of games will use more than what a dual core has to offer, so adding the extra core to the 925 will do almost nothing in games.

And the 925 is not a full 720...it is the remake of the PII 920 with a DDR3 Memory controller for the AM3, since the 920 and 940 could only run DDR2. It also is not a black edition like the 720, so overclocking is much more limited...the PII 925 is not going to be a "gaming" CPU.

Outside of gaming, there isn't even a competition as far as performance goes, the i7-920 is twice as fast as the Phenom II 920 in almost everything.

It would be nice to think that there is some competition between AMD and Intel for flagship processors, but there really isn't. AMD's flagship processor competes well with Intels midrange processors. You are being way too optomistic about the upcoming PII's.
March 14, 2009 2:29:44 PM

790FX boards have 2x PCI-E x16 slots, the GX have 2x PCI-E x8 slots (in crossfire) or one in x16. I'm not sure if x8 (at least a significant amount) impacts midrange GPU's like the 4870 in crossfire.

Phenom II 940BE and MSI 790GX $282 - $15MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CORSAIR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $45 - $20MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The MSI board isn't the greatest, but I think the price is right.

This Mobo/Ram/CPU is $287 after MIR.

XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler $36 - $10MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Artic 5 compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
xthekidx's PSU/Case combo (I would definitely go with this over the 900) $190 - $25MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total $198 after MIR

Hard Drive and DVD $100

Total without GPU is $585. So you got about $400 to spend on your GPU. If I were you I would strong consider the 2GB 4850X2 which tomshardware stated is the best valued highend GPU in their last GPU report.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
March 14, 2009 7:09:37 PM

MykC said:
790FX boards have 2x PCI-E x16 slots, the GX have 2x PCI-E x8 slots (in crossfire) or one in x16. I'm not sure if x8 (at least a significant amount) impacts midrange GPU's like the 4870 in crossfire.

If you are using single GPU cards then it is like 2-3% performance increase if you get dual x16 link on the fx boards, not really worth it IMO. If you were to get dual x2 cards and run quadfire, then it would be worth it, they require more bandwidth and would be bottlenecked more by the board.
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