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My addiction to upgrading

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How to cure my tech problem

Total: 41 votes (4 blank votes)

  • Give in to the urge, upgrade!
  • 17 %
  • Resist now, upgrade within a year when the prices drop!
  • 33 %
  • Resist the urge!
  • 33 %
  • Reverse the urge, downgrade!
  • 19 %
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 6:19:03 AM

I have an unhealthy obsession of wanting the newest and greatest thing that comes out...

I have a great Core2Duo and great 9800GTXs in SLi, but now I have the urge to sell my CPU for a Q9400 or Q9450 Core2Quad or i7 920 Quad, and get the GTX260s in SLi.

And the funny thing is I mostly use this rig for word processing and non-GPU intensive (ie. non-Crysis) games.



Anyone have a cure for this? I'm resisting the urge, but I don't know how long I can hold out... ='(

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April 9, 2009 6:45:48 AM

Well you would not see a gain by upgrading, but I am sure you already now it. Hell you really do not need sli anything.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 7:28:57 AM

If your PC is doing exactly what you want it to do, don't spend the money. This is me reminding myself by the way. ;) 
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April 9, 2009 8:03:52 AM

If you have the money to spare... go ahead and upgrade. I would much rather get some new RAM or a new GPU than buy some new clothes or a new microwave... but then i spend almost 12 hours a day in front of my PC. What i'm trying to say is... if it makes you happy go for it... i'm sure most people who own supercars never use more than 20 - 30% of it's full power... but it still makes them smile everytime they see it.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 8:12:10 AM

Just ask yourself this question, what does my current setup not do that I want it to be able to do? What gain will I really see from my upgrade? If your upgrade will not benefit you, then don't upgrade.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 8:23:16 AM

Resistance is futile...

Seriously though, I totally agree with ohio on this one.
April 9, 2009 8:33:27 AM

Dont waste ur cash, I am sure you could put it to better use in these rough times. Wait like 1-2 years when upgrading will give you a bigger boost in performance.
April 9, 2009 1:04:54 PM

For word processing all you need is 6200 turbo catch card. Resist the urge!!! Sell the 9800GTX's and put the money in a mattress not the stock market.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 1:22:14 PM

I have a similar problem but i play intensive games. My cure is not having enough cash to upgrade to a system better then mine.
a c 191 U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 4:29:53 PM

Have some kids.
It wo n`t stop the urges, just strip you of the money to satisfy them.
April 9, 2009 9:11:27 PM

deadcells said:
If you have the money to spare... go ahead and upgrade. I would much rather get some new RAM or a new GPU than buy some new clothes or a new microwave... but then i spend almost 12 hours a day in front of my PC. What i'm trying to say is... if it makes you happy go for it... i'm sure most people who own supercars never use more than 20 - 30% of it's full power... but it still makes them smile everytime they see it.


^+1
April 9, 2009 9:14:34 PM

I upgrade and change out components ALOT, most of it for very minimal improvements. But its a hobby, an expensive hobby. And its better than a heroin addiction, cheaper too.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2009 9:41:01 PM

gah, I feel like taking a hammer to my PC! >_<
April 9, 2009 9:47:06 PM

Resist!!, I have a Pentium IV still you should be happy!!!
April 10, 2009 12:43:42 AM

Just think if you waited untill next year you could buy more powerful parts for the same price!!
April 10, 2009 12:53:47 AM

mrbunny said:
Just think if you waited untill next year you could buy more powerful parts for the same price!!


Right on!..................................I cant believe I just said that LOL
I resist upgrading. Though, if there is something completely new coming out then I will upgrade. (i.e. new series of cards)
April 10, 2009 1:11:40 AM

lol :)  Im looking forward to Intel's new card, but it will probably be really expensive, 2000$ proccesors come on who really spends that much money on one part? (no offense to anyone :)  )
April 10, 2009 1:42:35 AM

A Core 2 Quad wouldn't fulfill your needs. Get a Core i7 and GTX 260 Core 216's in SLI... great rig.
April 10, 2009 1:58:10 AM

mamw93 said:
A Core 2 Quad wouldn't fulfill your needs. Get a Core i7 and GTX 260 Core 216's in SLI... great rig.


wtf, why do you keep posting about GTX 260 Core 216's..........................

Quote:
2000$ proccesors come on who really spends that much money on one part? (no offense to anyone :)  )


People who have that money to burn........then they go and gloat about even though they dont even do any CPU or GPU intensive applications........
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2009 2:22:56 AM

Axeon said:
Resist!!, I have a Pentium IV still you should be happy!!!


Dude, if you lived anywhere near me, I would donate a spare Core2Duo cpu from my Dell to you.
April 10, 2009 2:25:21 AM

Quote:
Dude, if you lived anywhere near me, I would donate a spare Core2Duo cpu from my Dell to you.



Haha I'll take one please :D 
April 10, 2009 12:35:53 PM

lol @coozie7's suggestion or get a girl/boy friend (i assumed you haven't got one)
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2009 7:50:17 PM

mamw93 said:
A Core 2 Quad wouldn't fulfill your needs. Get a Core i7 and GTX 260 Core 216's in SLI... great rig.


ugh...so I have to upgrade my mobo to x58 and my RAM to DDR3 too? :/ 
$250 for x58 mobo
$80 for 3GB of DDR3 RAM
$250 for i920 CPU

gawddamn...
April 10, 2009 10:57:10 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
ugh...so I have to upgrade my mobo to x58 and my RAM to DDR3 too? :/ 
$250 for x58 mobo
$80 for 3GB of DDR3 RAM
$250 for i920 CPU

gawddamn...


Well if you had some kids, you wouldnt even be able to THINK about purchasing those parts XD
a b U Graphics card
April 10, 2009 11:27:30 PM

Are kids upgradeable too? =/
April 10, 2009 11:50:28 PM

I have been thinking for a while on what is the best upgrading strategy with regards to getting the best "play-ability" in games for the least amount of money over a long period of time. Here is a comparison I did between Toms system builds throughout the years, and I came to the conclusion that spending about $500-750 every tick or tock in Intel's or AMD's strategy time plans (every 1-2 years) on new mobo, CPU and GPUs give the best bang for the buck, but I am curious to hear your opinions on this matter.

Comparison of value over time:
Lets assume that your system requirements (or wants) is to always be able to play the newest games out there, preferably at the max details, but not necessarily:
If you buy a good case, cooler and PSU, you probably won't have to replace them often to increase performance - so lets look solely at what you do need to replace often if you want to increase performance: CPU, MOBO, RAM and GFX

In March 2007 you could have bought:

$331
CPU AMD Athlon X2 3800+ AM2 $82
Motherboard MSI K9N4 Ultra-F $59
RAM Wintec AMPO PC2-6400 1 GB $70
Graphics XFX GeForce 7600 GT $120

=Playable at max settings most games 2007 (1024x768)

$805
CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 $230
Motherboard MSI P965 Platinum $135
RAM Patriot eXtreme Performance PDC22G6400LLK $160
Graphics EVGA GeForce 8800GTS PN: 320-P2-N811-AR $280

= Playable all games 2007 (1600x1200)

$2655
CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 $970
Motherboard Asus Striker Extreme $330
RAM Crucial Ballistix DDR2 1000 PC2-8000 $235
Graphics 2x GeForce 8800GTX 768 MB ($560) $1120

= Playable all games 2007 (2560x1600)

In March 2008 you could have bought:

$563
CPU AMD Quad Core Phenom 9500 $190.00
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H $100.00
RAM Wintec Ampo DDR2 PC2-6400 - 2 GB $43.00
Graphics HIS Radeon 3870 ICEQ Turbo $230.00


$1333
CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 $540
Motherboard Asus P5N-T Deluxe $250
RAM Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 PC2-6400 - 4 GB $128
Graphics EVGA GeForce 8800GTX, 768 MB $415

$2320
CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650 $1060
Motherboard Asus Striker II Formula $320
RAM Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 PC2-6400 - 4 GB $100
Graphics 2x Gigabyte GeForce 8800GTX - GV-NX88X768H-RH $840


In March 2009 you could buy:

$420
Intel core 2 duo E7400: $120
Gigabyte EP45-DS3: $100
2 x ATI Radeon 4830 : $150
G Skill 2x2GB PC8500 DDR2: $50

$685
AMD Phenom II 940: $215
ATI Radeon 4890 1 GB $230
Gigabyte 790 UD4H: $140
G Skill DDR3 6GB: $100

$1256
Core i7 920: $280
Nvidia GTX 295 $500
MSI X58 Eclipse SLI Intel X58 $310
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB DDR3 1600 $166

Now whats important to take from this is that if you bought the cheapest of these systems and (important!) overclocked each of them you would see funny things:

2007 bargain system plays all 2007 games, 2008 system bargain plays all 2008 games, 2009 bargain system plays all 2009 games.
So you have to buy 1 bargain system each year: $331 + $563 + $420 = $1314
So in three years you spent a total of $1314

If however you had bought the most expensive system in 2007 it would cost you $2655, hehe and guess what .... It gets trashed like a pikey up against the overclocked bargain 2009 system. lol lol lol - so you would have wasted a lot of money there, in fact it only beats the bargain 2008 system so you lose 2655- 331-563= $1761 - ouch!

What if you bought the medium range systems? Well the 2007 medium system gets trounced on by the 2008 bargain system, so that doesn't give you much value. The 2009 bargain system also beats the 2008 medium range system.

So in the end your guess is as good as mine - will the 2010 bargain system trounce the 2009 medium range option? I don't know actually because the processor price isn't as divergent in the choices you guys made. I just did this comparison to make a point that you actually save crap loads of money if you can be assed to upgrade your system every year and not spend much more than 500 bucks on CPUs, MOBOs, GFX and RAM.

Then there is that other question: "Future Proofing" your system, or "Is this system future proof?" - personally I think it is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. How do you future proof in a industry with the highest rate of innovation and development turnover known to man!? Well I think the answer to that is of course you can try by wasting a lot of money - but even then you may not succeed. If you really hate me for saying this I am sorry...

I just think that looking at a system as "future proof" is misleading, it should be instead called something like "potentially upgradable" or "legacy components". The things that I think might come close to what i think is intended behind the false statement "future proof" are the components with long potential life span like a PSU, PC case, good quality air or water cooling (vapo even if you got the cash) - these are legacy components because they can work with newer generations of other components like Mobos, CPU's and GPU's. Hard drives (maybe RAM sometimes) are also somewhat more long lasting in their relevance and can be legacy components. Mobos are then possible to consider as "potentially upgradable" because they can sometimes be upgraded with newer CPUs and GPUs. But no entire pc build is ever future proof because of the immense innovation in computing, and this goes especially for GPUs. (My opinion)

What do you guys think about this strategy/ideology? lol - ideology sounds wrong but eh
April 11, 2009 1:15:19 AM

your analysis is absefuckinlutly brilliant. I always wanted to make one like that but didnt think id be able to find price lists per time.

Also, it reafirms my believe that value is the best choice, and that there is no such thing as a future proof pc. You buy it now to play all the games released until about now, end of story.

Also, you dont HAVE to upgrade every year. If you upgrade when you are dissadisfied with preformance, you never lose.
April 11, 2009 1:51:01 AM

I thought it was good analysis, but honestly, I dont upgrade my RAM every year.
April 11, 2009 2:07:02 AM

boudy said:
I thought it was good analysis, but honestly, I dont upgrade my RAM every year.


Thanks and I definitely agree with you on the RAM issue
April 11, 2009 2:08:41 AM

Gedoe_ said:
your analysis is absefuckinlutly brilliant. I always wanted to make one like that but didnt think id be able to find price lists per time.

Also, it reafirms my believe that value is the best choice, and that there is no such thing as a future proof pc. You buy it now to play all the games released until about now, end of story.

Also, you dont HAVE to upgrade every year. If you upgrade when you are dissadisfied with preformance, you never lose.


Thanks dude - agree with you as well, I have added more to it now, just waiting for some critique cause I know I probably missed something out :D 
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 2:33:56 AM

^ Very nice observation nerrawg.

That's what I've been thinking as well - trying to future proof your system with all the best components now is much more expensive and gives you less performance over time when compared to upgrading every 1-2 years.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 2:37:10 AM

btw I'm trying to get a used GTX260... ebay seems a bit sparse in the 260 department =(
April 12, 2009 2:42:05 AM

If you have a hole burning in your pocket: Get an SLC SSD. It will last you a hell of a long time, and is twice as fast as a Velociraptor. That said, you need about $800 in disposable income.
April 12, 2009 2:44:23 AM

How much is your budget? 260 should come up to about $160 after live cashback on ebay.

That said, there's no warranty on ebay products unless the seller supplies you proof of purchase.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 2:48:10 AM

^ What is live cash back? Is that the eBay Bucks thing?

April 12, 2009 4:12:20 AM

Live is Microsoft's cashback scheme. They want you to use live.com instead of google, so one of their draw cards is live cashback. Before you shop at a merchant, instead of typing the url you instead use the link provided on http://search.live.com/cashback. For that purchase you will get a % of the purchase price back in either paypal deposit, checking account deposit, or check. This is only valid if you do not return the product for a refund within 60 days.

Now ebay cashback is VERY obscure. You goto live.com, and type "ps3" or "wii" in the search field. Highlighted in yellow will be an ebay link with the caption "You may get x% off with Paypal if eligible." This % varies week to week. It's been as low as 7% and as high as 35%. Microsoft always ends ebay cashback before the year-end holidays though, otherwise they'd get hammered. You MUST use Buy it Now.

I've used it for Newegg and Ebay purchases. (Although newegg is no longer part of the cashback program, but there are plenty of electronics sites that still are). So far I've gotten back roughly $200 from purchases in the last year. I've always elected paypal deposit since I don't trust by-mail check.
April 12, 2009 4:14:49 AM

*** . Why even have a edit post button.
April 12, 2009 4:15:08 AM

*** . Why even have a edit post button.
April 12, 2009 4:29:12 AM

If you do click on that link, at the top of the ebay search page you'll see a green bar "Microsoft Cashback." Each session ends within 60 minutes though, so if you don't make a Buy It Now purchase within that time the green bar will disappear and you'll have to click on the link again.

I was trying to say, why even have an edit post button. Wow, this forum software used to be decent, this is worse than the Bioware forums now. And I can only post every 10 minutes. What the heck happened to this site.
a b U Graphics card
April 12, 2009 4:42:59 AM

^ If you can't edit your post, it might be because the site redirected you through a .uk channel.
That happens to me a lot - check to see if your URL only has .com and not /uk or .uk
April 12, 2009 6:05:06 PM

astrallite said:
If you do click on that link, at the top of the ebay search page you'll see a green bar "Microsoft Cashback." Each session ends within 60 minutes though, so if you don't make a Buy It Now purchase within that time the green bar will disappear and you'll have to click on the link again.

I was trying to say, why even have an edit post button. Wow, this forum software used to be decent, this is worse than the Bioware forums now. And I can only post every 10 minutes. What the heck happened to this site.


You're completely right. 3 years ago, this forum was full of helpful people that knew what they were talking about. Now all of them are gone, and there are only a few knowledgeable people left on this forum.
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2009 8:26:20 PM

News that DX11 cards will come out around August, and that DX11 will offer a boost to DX10 cards... decisions decisions decisions....
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