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March 17, 2009 1:38:56 PM

I am building a new system and have settled on the Intel Q8200 and would like some advice for the remaining essentials.

I do not game at all. I multi-task with Photoshop, Illustrator, Firefox and RAR-processing programs. I usually have Firefox and lots of tabs open and also may be running Photoshop at the same time, or un-zipping a 5gb movie. i do some minor video processing - nothing professional, just editing mostly. I watch DIVX and AVI on my PC, but I am not looking for beautiful clarity on my monitor (just mentioning it as to my habits)


I already have a PSU, Case, Harddrives and Peripherals.

I need a MOBO, video card (mayte) and RAM

For RAM I was thinking 4gb Gskill

I don't need much for a video card, as I don't game. I have a LG LCD, so I need DVI, but that's pretty much it.

My budget for the MOBO is not much at this point. i could spend $100, but I'd rather keep it under $75, unless y'all highly suggest against it. I could go up to $100 for the MOBO if it has on-board video. I can always get a better card down the road. I have an old AGP GeForce 6200 and things seem to run fine, if that's any indicator as to my needs.

thanks for the help.

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March 17, 2009 1:58:24 PM

thanks, FullMetal.

So if I go with the p43 Gigabyte MOBO


and this card

I would be at about $100 -- add the RAM you suggested and that would be decent system?

I FORGOT: I am running Windows XP 32bit - corporate. No Vista.
March 17, 2009 2:05:31 PM

Ew, no please hah donn't.

Didnt think you would want the video card and mobo to match up to 100.

that will be a really low end product for a q8200 and ddr2 800 ram.

Don't see any board worth getting for $50.. if it is then its a micro atx board.
March 17, 2009 2:11:56 PM

I your comment ("ew") for the video card I chose? Would I really notice a difference between a that card and a higher end card while streaming the Daily Show or editing photos? I have read over and over that high-end cards with lotsn of RAM make no difference with photoshop. isn't that correct? I ever watch HD movies, so do I really need a GREAT card?

The combo I have is the MOBO you suggested, which has no on-board video, with the cheap card I tagged on. I can always buy a better card later.

still "Ew"?
March 17, 2009 2:15:52 PM

Your taking a chance on some one who has already used the card, dont know for how long, so you dont know what could be wrong with it, if there is anything wrong with it. If you do get the board and the open boxed card, hopefully things will work.

March 17, 2009 2:27:53 PM

I almost immediately changed the video card to a retail card. Sorry, I seem to be responding too fast to give you time to properly answer my questions.

March 17, 2009 2:46:20 PM

The G31 motherboard should be fine, if not. I can look for an onboard motherboard.\

I looked and there isnt anything under 100 that i could find descent enough for a Q8200 for an onboard+motherboard, there was one mabye but its around $10-$20 more
March 17, 2009 2:53:23 PM

thanks, but only one of those supports the fast RAM and it's $90. I think the original one that FullMetal suggested might be best. any thoughts?
March 17, 2009 3:23:53 PM

The G31 is a previous generation chipset. Do what you want, it's your build. If it was me, I'd go with a current board. There's really no need at all for DDR2 1066 RAM on an Intel Build. I'd go with some high quality, low latency DDR2 800 RAM like this:

G.SKILL PI Black 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99
March 17, 2009 3:36:13 PM

Yea, i suggested the PI Blacks earlier to him, but, he's needing to budget way low to where, the motherboard becomes useless in this matter, G31 motherboard with a Q8200 is iffy. If the parts are mandatory and you need them now then go with the g31, if you can buy it peice by peice, saving money and getting good parts along the way, do that so you can get more up-to-date products for your main units.
March 17, 2009 3:52:47 PM

so the Q8200 with the g41

is good? This MOBO has onboard video,so I can get a better video card later.

why not go with faster RAM? I thought you needed more than 800 for overclocking.

thanks
March 17, 2009 4:02:52 PM

Depends on your overclock, if your willing to go buck wild and oc everything in the system to really high clocks: FSB/Ram/mobo/ etc. then 1066 could be avaliable to you but, with your motherboard your getting should be enough for ddr2 800. You will still get a good oc with the set.

The G41 is a Micro ATX board, does your case have open holes for micro atx and regular atx?
March 17, 2009 8:14:07 PM

DDR2 800 RAM is all you need for your CPU. The Q8200 isn't a stellar overclocker and you'll be very lucky to get > 400 FSB on any quad core chip. If you do get a lucky chip that will go over 400, the PI Black RAM has a lot of overclocking potential if needed.

Intel chips run best when the RAM and FSB are at a 1:1 ratio. That means with your Q8200 if the CPU isn't overclocked at all you would only need DDR2 667 RAM (multiply the RAM speed by 2 to get the FSB since the Intel chips use a quad-pumped FSB).
March 17, 2009 9:21:25 PM

bmuell said:
$260 - $10MIR if you can swing it: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Faster Quad than the Q8200, onboard ATI HD 3300 128mb video.


I was actually looking at this one, but I was too embarassed to suggest it after all the work everyone on this thread had put into helping me with the Intel.

Would there be a noticeable difference between the two packages? What kind of RAM would be best with it if I want to overclock the CPU (just tweak it really)?
March 17, 2009 9:27:43 PM

Nice choice on that Q8200 :)  That cpu is a good one for what you do with your PC. This mobo down below is just what your looking for. Also that vid card below has intergrated HDMI port. I would think this would be a perfect match for what you intend to do with your PC.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $84.99
GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $29.99 ($19.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)
ASUS EAH3450/DI/256M Radeon HD 3450 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Low Profile Video Card - Retail Integrated with HDMI port and HDCP ready
March 17, 2009 11:23:36 PM

rbico said:
I was actually looking at this one, but I was too embarassed to suggest it after all the work everyone on this thread had put into helping me with the Intel.

Would there be a noticeable difference between the two packages? What kind of RAM would be best with it if I want to overclock the CPU (just tweak it really)?

Yeah that Gigabyte board is very highly recommended. I only linked the Biostar because it's cheaper, and as such is closer to your original cost.

The Q8200, Q9550 and possibly the Q6600 (if you're dead-set on overclocking a quad) are all fantastic cpus. It's just that with the recent price drop on the Phenom II X4 940BE to $200 and newegg's huge combo savings with 790GX boards, they're a much harder sell. Only the Q9550 beats the X4 940, but it's $75 more expensive (NOT including combo deals). That's a big difference, and in my opinion, if you're going to spend that much on a processor, you should just pony up for i7.

The onboard Video is an added bonus on the 790GX boards that most people don't use, but in your case might be useful.

To answer your RAM question: The extra bandwidth from 1066Mhz rated ram is useful with AM2/AM2+ systems, but then again it is just overclocked 800Mhz ram under warranty. The G.Skill Pi Black is still a great deal here.
March 17, 2009 11:25:28 PM

@ geofelt: yes you can, PI Black g.skills is the same price just no m-i-r, which can become useless. i've sent a m-i-r in before and never got one back, yes it was the day right after i got the part. If your getting a G41, make sure your case is Micro atx availiable cause thats what that G41 is.

I would much rather go with a p43 for more up-to-date and a ati 3450-4350
March 18, 2009 2:37:19 PM

Okay, final build:


AMD Phenom II X4 940

cheap PSU

PI black 4gb


I orginally didn't need the case and PSU, but I decided to just start fresh with both. i know it's a cheap PSU, but I can get a better one later. I will pick up a case at our local Fry's. i have the other stuff

Running XP Pro, 32 bit.


Any last thoughts?
March 18, 2009 2:45:35 PM

Whats the full list>?
March 18, 2009 3:22:03 PM

Well, I am not sure what else you mean, but here goes:

In additon to the specified MOBO, CPU and RAM:

tower

dvd burner is a BenQ 1650, which is old, but a GREAT burner

getting a PCI car with an ata adapter, like this for my extra old PATA drives.
I have three

Old Altec Lansing 2.1 speakers.

LG 20" monitor (DVI)

Belkin USB hub

Epson NX300 printer

Microsoft wireless USB keyboard and mouse.
March 18, 2009 3:38:47 PM

Dont get to low of a video card, your wanting a x4 940be, thats the top quadcore amd cpu, dont want to bottle neck anything...
March 18, 2009 3:46:23 PM

fullmetall said:
Dont get to low of a video card, your wanting a x4 940be, thats the top quadcore amd cpu, dont want to bottle neck anything...



I have no more money, so no more room for upgrades. can you explain or give an example of where I might see a bottlenck?
The MOBO comes with ATI Radeon HD3300 graphics built-in 128MB DDR3 1333MHz SidePort Memory

shouldn't I be okay for a few months without a new card?

I am upping the PSU to this

the AMD package just went up $25 in the last hour, too. what the hell?

March 18, 2009 4:04:44 PM

IF your going to get any PSU, get the corsair or antec at that low of a wattage. I've only seen 1 rosewill that's descent enough for them but, i dont even think i would recommend it.

Well getting a top notch amd quad and a onboard gpu, you should be ok till later on, for what you do, it's ok.
March 18, 2009 4:30:31 PM

okay, real quick. Newegg upped the cost of the combo deal $25- I hate that stores do this (upping the prices at the last minute). So I may go back to the Intel for that reason.

If I went back to the Intel Q8200 with Gigabyte p41 and the same GSkill PI Black RAM, that would be a good system or at least be good for what I do. The P41 has integrated video (Intell 4500) so I sohuld be okay there for awhile.Trhat would leave a little extra cash for the Antex PSU you recommend.

Would there be a huge difference between the two systems, out of the box?
March 18, 2009 5:45:43 PM

Only difference is the 940 x4 being more future proof, the Q8200 will still be able to do everything you do with no hiccups. You can do either that or just lower your x4 to the x3 720be.
March 18, 2009 5:48:19 PM

By the way, Which case are you puting all this prodcut into? because it might be able to use micro atx as well as atx motherboards, if that is so, theres more micro atx motherboards with onboard gpu's.
March 18, 2009 5:52:36 PM

fullmetall said:
By the way, Which case are you puting all this prodcut into? because it might be able to use micro atx as well as atx motherboards, if that is so, theres more micro atx motherboards with onboard gpu's.



Thanks, FullMetal.
I will most likely go with the Intel. I like their processors and in a year or two, I can make this machine my home PC (I don't game there either) and then build a new-new work PC.

I plan on getting the Antex 300

It doesn't show that it's micro ATX, but I have checked many forums, including this one, and people say that it is.
March 18, 2009 6:19:03 PM

hmm, i dont see it as a micro atx either.

Well, goodluck, and hopefully the onboard works for you untill you are able to throw in a gpu for a small price.
March 18, 2009 6:24:24 PM

I cannot find any G41 boards that support atx onboard video motherboards, only Micro atx. The antec 300, did you already purchase it? if not, might want to look at a case that will support both atx and micro atx.
March 18, 2009 6:36:08 PM

fullmetall said:
I cannot find any G41 boards that support atx onboard video motherboards, only Micro atx. The antec 300, did you already purchase it? if not, might want to look at a case that will support both atx and micro atx.



The 300 does support atx and M-atx. I just talked to Antec.
March 18, 2009 6:41:32 PM

Oh it does? Now, doing this, going to Q8200 saving a little bit and doing onboard, will this allow the onboard + motherboard to be atleast $120?

March 18, 2009 6:47:02 PM

fullmetall said:
Oh it does? Now, doing this, going to Q8200 saving a little bit and doing onboard, will this allow the onboard + motherboard to be atleast $120?



I could be persuaded, but I really don't think I need a nice card. Nice board, perhaps.

What would be the gain? Performance in operating speed? Being more flexible to upgrade down the road.

Can you say, wihtout too much trouble on your part, what is wrong, or where the current board selection is weak?
March 18, 2009 7:00:00 PM

Difference in these boards is the northbridge/southbridge chipsets/fsb/more connections it has. It does have a pci-e x16 2.0 slot in it which is good but, its not an up-to-date board.

Using this as an office material computer/video , your pretty much set but, for video looking, you'll want something a little beefier so you can make sure theres no problems, HD 4670 for example.
March 18, 2009 7:01:19 PM

All i see was the OC difference in these boards, wouldn't OC the gigabyte but, could do the asus.

So, the gigabyte should be fine.
March 18, 2009 7:04:06 PM

so I should get the board that I cannot overlock?
March 18, 2009 7:11:34 PM

The asus has 6 Sata 3g/bs Onboard storage devices to Gigabytes 4.

and the port the asus has dvi and Display port,

thats about the only difference i see in them, so if your going to get an hdd for the asus, make sure its sata, it has only 1 IDE

March 18, 2009 7:12:50 PM

So, Going back to the old saying, Gigabyte over Asus, Gigabyte has better quality/stability over asus.
March 18, 2009 7:29:27 PM

Oh gees i didnt even see your psu, make sure your psu is worth the buy, thts 430watts on 1 18a 12v rail. Thats just as worse as the psu i saw a little while ago, 700w on 2 12v rails of 18a.


You want to make sure your psu will manage everything in your build.

Your going to need atleast $45+ for a descent psu.
March 18, 2009 7:53:48 PM

fullmetall said:
Oh gees i didnt even see your psu, make sure your psu is worth the buy, thts 430watts on 1 18a 12v rail. Thats just as worse as the psu i saw a little while ago, 700w on 2 12v rails of 18a.


You want to make sure your psu will manage everything in your build.

Your going to need atleast $45+ for a descent psu.


so would this one be acceptable? does the three rails just split up the power better>
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