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March 18, 2009 12:59:21 AM

Hey all,

I just joined the Navy and I'm looking to get a gaming computer. Portability isn't such a big factor since I probably won't be aboard a ship. Anyways, should I go with the Gateway P7807U FX (for $1399) or the custom desktop below (for about $1900). Mind you, if I went with the laptop I would still have to buy the G9 mouse and Nostromo Speedpad, so that's about an extra $150+, which means there is only a $300 price difference.

Custom pc components:
- SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S223Q - OEM

- SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Windows 98SE/ ME/ 2000/ XP - OEM

- LG Black Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD±R DVD Burner SATA Model GGC-H20L - Retail

- XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

- 2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

- Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series 70SB088600007 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card - Retail

- G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-16000CL9D-2GBPI-B - Retail

- Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail

- ABS Tagan BZ Series BZ1100 1100W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Patent Piperock Modular Power Supply - Retail

- EVGA 132-YW-E180-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 790i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

- BFG Tech BFGEGTX2801024E GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

- Acer H233Hbmid Black 23" 5ms HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail

- Logitech G9 Black 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB Wired Laser Gaming Mouse - Retail

- BELKIN F8GFPC200 N52TE Tournament Edition - Retail

This setup would also come with free combo deals if I buy it soon:

- Free Call of Duty - World at War OEM
- Ideazon AN0ZZM1-X8WRF01 Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning FragMat - Retail

Thanks in advance!

Brandon

P.S. I forgot to mention that I have the Creative Gigaworks s750 7.1 surround sound system, so if I got the laptop I would have to get an external sound card to use the full 7.1, which would add another $150 or so.

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March 18, 2009 1:39:16 AM

Where are you buying from? What country? Canada/US?

Consider starting with this template and then making changes.

I'll start of by saying that DDR3 isn't worth the money, not by a long shot. Stick with a DDR2 board and DDR2 800 memory.

The PSU is over kill even for the most elite builds. You only need 750W max. You can get away with 550W.

Look at these cases, each of them are generally consider the best in their price range:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM 690 $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Antec 900 $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM Sniper $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM 932 $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Antec 1200 $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM Cosmos 1000 $200

Unless your hooking your computer upto a home theatre sound system you could save money and drop the soundcard, for most people there isn't any real drop in sound quality. All onboard sound cards support at least 7.1 by default,
March 18, 2009 1:41:34 AM

You will get a lot more for your money if you go with a desktop, but there are a lot of changes I would make to that build. Do you use any other software like video editing or CAD or anything of that nature? Do you have brand preferences, or just what what gives you the best performance for your money? How much can you spend on this rig? Will you SLI/Crossfire later?
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March 18, 2009 2:34:27 AM

Wow, you guys are awesome. Two responses in only a few minutes after posting, I feel so...special? :D  I probably should have mentioned my intentions. I plan to do some serious gaming, video editing, and sound mixing. I'm all for saving money, but I can afford this rig as is. One of my main factors in picking these components is longevity and expandability. Although I may be paying more, I figured that when the time comes for my computer to catch up to technology in a couple of years, I can always add another 280 GTX for SLI and another 6 gigs of ram if need be since the psu can support pretty much anything. This psu actually would only cost $200 due to a $100 off combo with the mobo, so I thought it was a steal? I was really hoping to spend only about $1800 for all my components so that I can add another $200 on for some games and software (2k bucks total was my intended limit). I don't really have an affinity towards particular brands, I chose these components based on consumer reviews and ratings, as well as the cost to performance ratio. For example, the psu is $200 thanks to the combo discount and I would be paying about $100 for a satisfactory psu anyways (one with a good review), so I figure why not go with what will support my upgradeability a couple years down the line? I know, this is probably a bad mentality to have--hence why my build is costing 2k. Moreover, I have this $500 pc speaker system so I would like to use this for my main multimedia center (hdtv, blu-ray, etc.); I will be buying a 40+ inch 1080p tv with a high-resolution pc input soon as well, so having a nice surround sound to go with only makes sense. Hope that answers everything. Thanks a ton for your help.

Brandon

P.S. I'm buying from Newegg in the U.S.
March 18, 2009 2:44:38 AM

Common Parts
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... LG DVD Drive $22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... WD 640GD HD $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Antec 300 $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OCZ 600W $70 - $20MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 512MB 4830 $90 - $15MIR
Total $362 - $35MIR

Intel LGA 1366 based system
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... LGA 1366 i7 920 $290
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Asus P6T x58 $240 (SLI/xfire)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OCZ DDR3 1333 3x2GB $136 - $60MIR
$636 - $75MIR
Box Total $1028 - $115MIR

Recommended Common Upgrades
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1GB GTX 285 $220 after MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Upgrade to a Xigma CPU Cooler $36 - $10MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Upgrade to Artic MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Upgrade to a CM 690 Case $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Upgrade to PCP&C 750W Red $45 (if you want SLI)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... G.Skill DDR3 1600 3x2GB $25
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... WD 1TB FALS $40

If you want even higher end cases:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Antec 900 $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM Sniper $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM 932 $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Antec 1200 $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM Cosmos 1000 $200
March 18, 2009 2:56:36 AM

I would definately go with 4gb of ram. Would you consider using a AMD Phenom II? Do you need that floppy drive? I noticed you don't have an OS. I would definately consider one of the cases MykC mentioned. I'd also look at the Thermaltake Element S. it has great layout and is very well built.
March 18, 2009 3:00:01 AM

Running 4GB wouldn't allow the board to run in triple channel the i7 has 6 dimms. 3 dimms per channel.
March 18, 2009 3:13:00 AM

I really have an affinity for the Xclio Windtunnel, both because of the looks and because of the two 250mm fans built in. It has great airflow and it doesn't have a side window, which I am finding more and more tacky these days (I had the Antec 900 for my first build). I may upgrade to 4 gigs of ram later, but for now it is pointless because I will not be sporting Vista until a newer, more functional OS comes out (of beta). As far as sticking with a Core 2 Duo, I chose this one due to its cheap price, overclocking ability to 3.5, larger cache and FSB, and because I won't be doing a ton of multi-tasking (at least nothing that this cpu (overclocked) couldn't handle. The floppy is to setup raid drivers; I plan to set up the my two hds in raid 0. I had Raptors before but, to be honest, the difference in performance to price between those and the ones I'm getting isn't worthy enough for me to commit to such an investment--that and I don't want to spend more than 2k :na: 

Thanks guys, more suggestions welcome!

Brandon
March 18, 2009 3:13:53 AM

I would do this:
Case/PSU: CM Storm Sniper (Awesome case) + 850tx
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU/CPU: GTX 285 + i7-920
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo: P6T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB (just get one for now, you can add another when you fill up this one, or just get an external)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: LG DVD Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler: TRUE (The king of air cooling)
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-e...

Ram: OCZ Platinum 6gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Vista Home Premium 64bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse: Logitech G5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: Logitech G11
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sound card (although you should try the onboard sound first to see if its good enough for you, it is for most people): Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That is ~$1818 shipping included, then you get $65 MIR. I really think you should wait on the sound card, as its easy to add on later, that would make your total $1678 before rebates. Then you can look at a decent monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This setup is MUCH better and upgradable than the original setup you were first considering. If I had the money this is how I would spend it.

Now if you wanted to trim this down, I would first start with the sound card, this would be fine; -$60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler: -$35ish considering shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This PSU will be ok for just 1 GPU, otherwise I would keep the 850tx: -$55+40 (cuz you lose the combo :( ) so -$15
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Going with your case selection, -$40.

With those modifications to the original list, monitor included, total would be $1930, then after rebates is $1890.
March 18, 2009 3:14:39 AM

i7 build

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811119137 $79.99
COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-750w-tx-se.../206178325.html $104.99 Price After Rebate(s): $79.99 Shipping: FREE
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813130221 $189.99 ($169.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate)
MSI X58 Pro LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.smksuperstore.com/products/view...2fe42db73bc8b61 $272.15
Intel Core i7 Processor i7-920 2.66GHz 8MB LGA1366 CPU, OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835233029 $39.99
XIGMATEK Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life Bearing CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227381 $109.99 ($89.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate) Free Shipping*
OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814102801 $194.99
SAPPHIRE 100259-1GL Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136319 $79.99 Free Shipping*
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827136152 $24.99 Free Shipping*
LG Black 22X (CAV) DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X (CAV) DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16832116488 $99.99 Free Shipping*
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM

Total: $1,197.06
Total: $1,132.06 w/rebates


SLI version... Replace the motherboard and video card in that build with the the ones down below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $209.99
GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD3R-SLI LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $339.99 ($309.99 after $30.00 Mail-In Rebate)
GIGABYTE GV-N285-1GH-B GeForce GTX 285 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

Total: $1,362.06
$1,87.06 w/rebates
March 18, 2009 3:28:40 AM

Quote:
I may upgrade to 4 gigs of ram later, but for now it is pointless because I will not be sporting Vista until a newer, more functional OS comes out (of beta).
... Please upgrade to Vista, none of the performance or driver issues that were present at its launch are present now. Ask anyone of these forums is they feel you should go to Vista. Do it, trust us.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Windtunnel, this case does look really cool, with that said I think you should strongly consider the CM Sniper case and PSU combo. The airflow in that case is also very good and its also very easy to work with and very well built. Not to mention the savings your getting on it with the combo.
March 18, 2009 3:48:01 AM

MykC said:
Running 4GB wouldn't allow the board to run in triple channel the i7 has 6 dimms. 3 dimms per channel.

i simply meant instead of the 2gb he had chosen. definitely 3 or 6 with an i7. Also u might as well get 64-bit Home Premium because it is only $99 OEM at newegg while XP is $89 OEM
March 18, 2009 4:04:37 AM

BIGtenMaDbAdGeR said:
I really have an affinity for the Xclio Windtunnel, both because of the looks and because of the two 250mm fans built in. It has great airflow and it doesn't have a side window, which I am finding more and more tacky these days (I had the Antec 900 for my first build). I may upgrade to 4 gigs of ram later, but for now it is pointless because I will not be sporting Vista until a newer, more functional OS comes out (of beta). As far as sticking with a Core 2 Duo, I chose this one due to its cheap price, overclocking ability to 3.5, larger cache and FSB, and because I won't be doing a ton of multi-tasking (at least nothing that this cpu (overclocked) couldn't handle. The floppy is to setup raid drivers; I plan to set up the my two hds in raid 0. I had Raptors before but, to be honest, the difference in performance to price between those and the ones I'm getting isn't worthy enough for me to commit to such an investment--that and I don't want to spend more than 2k :na: 

Thanks guys, more suggestions welcome!

Brandon


As other posters on here have mentioned...it's not 2002 anymore...it's time to move on to Vista 64...later on grab Windows 7. If your into playing the newer games then Vista 64 is the only way to go. DX9/DX10, and it runs as fast or even faster then XP on the games that have came out within the last few years.

I would do this. Take my SLI build I posted above and replace the psu and case with the CM Storm Sniper and 850w Corsair combo that xthekidx posted, and you have a killer PC for well under $2,000. It's pretty much a no brainer.
March 18, 2009 5:13:30 AM

Yikes, this is a lot of information to process. I'm going to assess all the suggestions here and then come back with a newer build. However, do you think that the onboard sound of mobos is sufficient enough for my Creative Gigaworks s750 7.1 sound speaker system, or should I go with the Fatal1ty sound card?

Thanks much guys!

Brandon
March 18, 2009 5:43:37 AM

Here's what I came up with. As I definitely want to keep the Xclio case and the psu because of the great price reduction with the combo, here's what I have.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $299
EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $288.99
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 (after MIR)
OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $239.99 (after promo)
ABS Tagan BZ Series BZ1100 1100W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Patent Piperock Modular Power Supply - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $289.99
BFG Tech BFGEGTX2801024E GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $69.99
COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $169.99
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series 70SB088600007 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Express Interface Sound Card - Retail

2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $240 ($120/each)
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99
LG Black 6X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 40X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Model GGC-H20L - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $25.99
SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $7.49
SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model SFD321B/LFBL1 - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99
XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $99.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM

$299+$289+$90+240+$290+$70+$170+240+$110+26+$7.50+$100+100=$1861.50-$10(combo)-$20(MIR)-$100(combo)-$50(combo)-$60(promo)=$1621.50.
Add in S&H, the monitor and the peripherals and voila, $2000 about

Can't forget that these two items are free with purchase:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $9.99 Value
Ideazon AN0ZZM1-X8WRF01 Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning FragMat - Retail

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99 Value
Nvidia Gift - OEM

What do you think now? Good compatible build? This should be able to handle pretty much everything I throw at it, from video editing to sound mixing to Crysis at playable frames (without AA)?

Thanks for all the help again!

Brandon
March 18, 2009 7:23:03 AM

It looks pretty good, but I would upgrade the GPU to the GTX 285, its not that much more, especially if you buy it in that combo I showed you.

Even if you were to SLI 2 GTX 285's, that 850tx I showed you would still be fine. You are really overestimating the power requirements of your system. As it is now, your system won't draw more than 400w at peak power consumption, that 1100w PSU is absolutely unnecessary. If you were going to run quad fire 4870x2's or Quad-SLI GTX 295's, then it would be justified.

I would go for the P6T Deluxe V2 instead of the EVGA board, its reviews have shown it to be more stable and OC better. The only thing the EVGA board has that the V2 doesn't is 3 way SLI, and honestly will you put 3 GPU's in your system? I doubt it. You would only need that if you were using a 30" screen.

Don't buy the Sound card yet, try the onboard sound first to see if it will work for you. If it doesn't, it takes half a minute to add a sound card later.
March 18, 2009 12:13:54 PM

Your PSU is a lot of power, you could power a cottage if you need to with it, but....

The GTX 285 is a better upgrade and its cheaper...? With the combo...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... The EVGA board is fine, it may have something you want on it that I don't see, but all things equal... The mobo in the combo is $50 cheaper, the GPU in the combo is $20 more expensive, less the combo deal $30. Saves you $60 and I think you get a better mobo/GPU.
March 18, 2009 12:25:06 PM

That is a pretty good deal MykC found.
March 18, 2009 4:38:28 PM

That is a pretty good deal... Hmmm....

I think I would like to stick with BFG because of their lifetime warranty and trade up program. Besides, upgrading to the 285 GTX vs. the 280 would cost me $20 more in the end, which isn't much at all, but then I would have to choose Gigabyte instead of BFG. If I went with the BFG 285 GTX I'd pay an extra $60 about--is it really worth the extra investment? I'm sticking with the psu, even though it is a bit of overkill atm, because it is only $200 with the discounts, which means its not much more than the other ones suggested, and would allow me to run 3-way SLI when I trade up (because I will be getting a 40+ inch tv/monitor in a few months. I think I may, however, wait on the sound card, to see how well the integrated audio works. What do you think?

Thanks!

Brandon
March 18, 2009 5:36:39 PM

P.S. I'll be purchasing the Samsung's 52" tv to use as my monitor via HDMI in a few months, which is another reason I want to ensure my computer can handle everything and produce all the capabilities of a media center (7.1 sound, 1080p support on this tv while playing pc games, etc.). Thoughts?

SAMSUNG ToC 52" 1080p 120Hz LCD HDTV w/ DNIe - LN52A650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks!

Brandon
March 18, 2009 5:42:06 PM

Wait for the OLEDS to come out. LCD will drop and oleds are much cooler.

OLED arrives at christmas and lcd price may drop 2/3.

Using tv play games works but if your on intensive RTS and FPS you won't play as well. If RPG then its good.
March 18, 2009 8:28:41 PM

Cool, thanks guys. By the time I purchase a tv it will probably be around that time anyways, otherwise I'll just hold out.

Thanks for all the info.

Brandon
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