Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

ATI Build.

Last response: in Systems
Share
March 18, 2009 12:55:03 PM

Hey guys i recently Got money from my cousin saying he wants to get a ATi Gaming Computer . But I'm not 100% sure what to use. He told me he's using this...

Vista Home Premium x64 *has this already*
Key Board And Mouse Has...
Speakers

what he told me was he needs... *DDR3 Ram * A Quad Fire * + Sound Card *Big Hard Drive + fast RPM.

I suggested Waiting for a little for the next ATI Radeon Series to come out. But if he were to build a computer what would u recommend *if waiting for Video Cards , Cuz i suggested 4870X2 *

Thanks Guys

More about : ati build

March 18, 2009 1:03:16 PM

How much money did he give you? Does he have a monitor/mouse/keyboard/speakers too?

It seems he is looking for bragging rights...unless he's got a 30" monitor. A 4870x2 will play just about anything on highest settings at 19x12. Quad GPU systems do not scale well at all and I feel it is a complete waste, they are also plagued by driver issues. Ask him if it absolutely needs to be a quad-fire configuration, and if he says yes, tell him that I said he is dumb and tossing his money away.

In addition to that, where are you located? Are we working with USD and ordering from Newegg? Does he have any other brand preferences as far as Intel/AMD? Are there any other constraints like size, noise, bling factor or anything like that?
March 18, 2009 1:22:54 PM

If he's wanting a big 4870x2 and it in quad fire, why not look for the i7 system? It is a waste as the guy said above me.

you would only need 1 4870x2 for maximum game play on the i7 rig.
Related resources
March 18, 2009 1:57:51 PM

Someone who knows they need quadfire knows what they want already. Someone who know they need quadfire but doesn't know what to get probably needs to be asked some questions in order to find out their real needs and expectations.

Budget is the biggest thing. If he just wants to have the most kick ass benchmarking system he can get right now we can do that up. However, if he has specific goal that he wants and may want to maximize the budget over a period of time rather than spend it all right now thats a different story.

Budget and Monitor size he has or wants.
March 19, 2009 3:18:23 AM

Basically he wants this , He wants a gaming computer that will work till about...2012. I lol'd too. But still he likes the ATi For the cheap and better gaming system. He's not crazy about Intel and doesn't like the i7. But he gave me about 3k and he told me to make do with that.

He has this...

G9 Logitech Mouse
G15 Logitech Keyboard

He wants at least a 27-30 Inch *HOLY* .

Also he has two Acer 22 Inch Monitors *he wanted the curved alienware monitor but it doesn't come out yet *

Oh And Lastly , A question from me , I don't really believe that the i7 is meant for gaming but i might be wrong , Is it best for gaming or...?
March 19, 2009 3:31:32 AM

i7 is aimed at gamers. The proof is that it requires an X58 motherboard, and those come with at least 2 slots for video cards and often have support for both Crossfire and SLI.

Since you have been asked to buy two HD 4870 X2 cards (i.e. quad fire), you have only three good choices for the motherboard: x58, x48, 790FX. Anything else would bottleneck the HD 4870 X2 cards or not even support Crossfire.

1. x58 (with i7 920 and DDR3)
2. X48 (with Q9550 and DDR2, for example)
3. 790FX (with Phenom II 940 and DDR2)
March 19, 2009 4:08:02 AM

He wants a 27-30" monitor and that has to come out of the budget?

Assuming a Dell 3007WFP, which is currently on sale for $1050, and a pair of Sapphire 4870x2 @ $400 ea., you've already eaten through $1850 of the budget. That leaves $1150 for other things, such as motherboard, CPU, RAM, HDD, etc. If you get a Corsair HX1000W (you'll need a beefy PSU), for $230, you're now down to $920. Add in a WD Caviar Black 1TB ($120) and an Antec 1200 ($180), you have $620 for mobo, CPU, and RAM. Add in an i7 920 ($290), an EVGA 3xSLI x58 ($260), and 6GB of OCZ Gold DDR3-1600 (~$100), and you have a grand total of about $3030. Oh, and you'll need to throw in an optical drive and CPU cooler, so tag on another $50 (assuming DVD burner + xigmatek or similar).

Honestly, that's about the best setup I can think of for that price, especially if you bump the 920 up to about 3.6GHz or so. It'll be the most future proof (though it's still debatable whether it will work till 2012), and upgradeable too, as Intel will release 32nm CPUs for socket 1366 starting in about a year.

Oh, and honestly, for a quadfire, i7 is the way to go. It doesn't really show any gains for single card use, but for multi-GPU setups, it shows more gains.
March 19, 2009 11:01:20 AM

I dont see whats wrong with the i7? It's the "Futureproof" in gaming/multitasking, same as the 940 x4 but, i7 is all the way..
March 19, 2009 11:06:31 AM

I would really look at cjl's build here for that matter. Mabye switching the ocz golds to ocz platinums ddr3 1600.

Casing, Coolermaster Haf/Antec 1200.

Cooling, Cooler master V8/monsoon + Arctic cooling MX-2.

.
March 19, 2009 1:00:32 PM

I like cjl's build too.

You can reduce costs a bit by getting a WD 640GB Black instead of the WD 1TB, or a cheaper case (COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper $150 or NZXT Tempest $110).

March 19, 2009 1:32:23 PM

Tell your friend to forget a LCD monitor upgrade and get a 32" 120hz 1080p HDTV. Its bigger, probably cheaper and will allow him to use ATIs and nvidias 3D game glasses (they actually work).

i7 with a nvidia GPU solution is very strong right now, but given his preferences...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N... Phenom II 940 with Foxconn 790FX $285
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... G.Skill PI Black DDR2 800 $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... G.Skill PI Black DDR2 800 $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=P... 2GB 4870x2 $400 - $20MIR (yes, only 1 for now, add a second one when they are cheaper and when he actually needs it)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... WD 1TB FALS $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Artic MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Xigma $37 - $10MIR (AMD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM 690 $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CORSAIR 850TX $140 - 25MIR 4x8pin (this is enough to run 4870s in quadfire and an overclock 940be)

$1180 - $35MIR

Upgrades:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM Cosmos 1000 $200

With whatever money is left over buy a 18 month GIC, Bond, T-BILL and then upgrade the unit as required.
March 19, 2009 1:39:38 PM

Wouldnt take that combo for cpu and motherboard, specially over the i7 rig.

if anything the x4 940 and the gigabyte UD4H motherboard..



March 19, 2009 1:45:26 PM

You need full speed x16 pci-e slots for 4870x2's though. Could spend the extra money for the Asus 790FX but its not worth the extra $140.
March 19, 2009 1:53:53 PM

So what was wrong with the i7 build over the x4 940? since he's spending 3K...
March 19, 2009 1:55:28 PM

2K, actually, since he wants a $1000 monitor included...

March 19, 2009 2:06:38 PM

Quote:
So what was wrong with the i7 build over the x4 940? since he's spending 3K...


Other than this....

Quote:
But still he likes the ATi For the cheap and better gaming system. He's not crazy about Intel and doesn't like the i7.


Nothing. But all in all, there wasn't any real difference in benchmarks between the i7 and 940. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=351...
Other than Far Cry 2 (which had 20 FPS difference) there was no difference. Far Cry 2 just shows favoritism/lack of support.
March 19, 2009 2:16:03 PM

If the owner of the PC prefers an AMD solution, I'd suggest this motherboard:

ASUS M4A79 Deluxe AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16813131361

It has a combo with the Phenom II 940 for $55 off, so basically you get the Phenom II 940 for $170.
http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/AddToCart.aspx?Submit=ADD&ItemList=Combo.165049

It needs 4 GB of DDR2-1066, like this for example:

OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 $33 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289


Edit: and since we're talking about spending $403 for CPU/MB/RAM instead of over $600, add a Velociraptor in there with the savings :) 
March 19, 2009 2:22:46 PM

And Overclocked Q9550 and a i7 overclocked to 3.7 would have about the same specs, and both chips would show in numbers a bit over the x940. For the money this guy is wanting to throw around @ O.P. tell him i7 should be in his eyes.
But, if AMD is what he wants then, i guess go with the Top ASUS/Gigabyte AM2+ board and the x4 940
March 19, 2009 3:12:16 PM

But the i7 is the way to go? because I've heard it's like for Video / Photo Editing. etc.

also is there any other Video cards that is coming out? Oh yeah if he does get a i7 would you recommend that he'd go nVidia *295 GTX* so forth? or would you recommend ATi? Because if he has 3k i'd want him to get the best bang for the buck.

and the 30" HDTV , he's considering rather then the Others.

Edit : He wouldn't mind paying a little extra , but he needs a sound card + if he does get the i7 , he's going to be Overclocking that too *WTF i know* but let's see , he needs or asks for...

4-8 gig ram DDR3
x58 with the i7
He saw the 4890 , and thought maybe it might be better then the 4870X2 but when he saw the benchmarks for the 295GTX he kinda freaked

Needs a good Sound Card
Needs a Case *cooler master / Antec*

He says it's funny , but he wants Mineral Oil cooling LMAO *nahh I'm joking he doesn't want it , he's just kidding xD*

So he has the OS Windows Vista Ultimate 64 Bit /

also He asks , Does a Faster HDD affect gaming performance?

Thank you.
March 19, 2009 3:20:03 PM

Theres a 4890 coming out, i dont know when, dont know if its anytime soon,

Im an ATI guy, both cards vary off and on at different resolutions on which is better, same with the 4870 1gb and the gtx 260.

Now, i7 is used for either gaming or video/editing, same as the Q9550, They're out-standing performance in both catagories, its not just for multitasking,

If he likes games like FSX and GTA 4 which are multi threaded games a dual core will struggle in, the i7 takes over/Q9550.

He's going to get what he asks for if he gets the i7 build.
March 19, 2009 3:38:01 PM

Quote:
Faster HDD affect gaming performance?
No. It will load the game faster, but after that your FPS won't be affected by your hard drive.

For an i7 platform:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... CM Storm Sniper with i7920 $410 ($30 combo discount)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... Gigabyte UD4P and GTX 285 $580 - $50MIR ($30 combo discount)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CORSAIR 850TX $140 - 25MIR 4x8pin
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 3x2G OCZ DDR3 1600 $110 - $20MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... WD 1TB FALS $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Artic MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Xigma Dark Knight $40 (Intel)

$1410 - $70MIR

I would start with this. Add these later when necessary:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=P... 1GB GTX 285 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 3x2G OCZ DDR3 1600

If your friend can strech the budget a bit, he should conisder:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... LGA 1366 i7 965E $1000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Asus P6TDv2 x58 $290 (SLI/xfire)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Corsair DDR3 1600 3x2GB $175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Corsair DDR3 1600 3x2GB $175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1729MB GTX 295 $510
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1729MB GTX 295 $510
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/thermalright-ultra-120-e... Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme $70 (LGA 1366)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Artic MX-2 Thermal Compound $7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Intel 64GB SATA SLC SSD $800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... WD 1TB FALS $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CM Cosmos 1000 $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Enermax 1050W $310 - $20MIR 8x6pin

$4200

You chould drop the SSD and save $800, downgrade the CPU to i7 920 and save another $700.

After that: $2800.
March 19, 2009 4:08:11 PM

I'd get the 1st one you built and get a big monitor since he's wanting a 27"to 30", might aswell get a hdtv instead of a monitor
March 19, 2009 4:14:25 PM

Yeah, same here the first one has the most value... the second one reminds of the...

the first and second computer my partents bought, both cost over $3000 dollars (monitor included tough). The first was Tandy 1000 with 20MB HD and 640K memory.

The second was a Pentium 75 with 16MB of memory and a... forget the hard drive size but I got introuble for downloading a game that was like 50MB so it was probably like 500MB or something.
March 19, 2009 5:12:09 PM

lmao he says SSD's are fail T_T and he isn't looking to that. He says he likes the build , but should i tell him to wait a little bit till the next video cards come out? or should he stick with 2 GTX295 in SLi ?
March 19, 2009 5:17:12 PM

no no, thats 1 gtx 295 add that to the first build since its not on there. Then look at the 27" HDTv-30" or monitor if you prefer it.
March 19, 2009 5:25:15 PM

Quote:
but should i tell him to wait a little bit till the next video cards come out?
You can play that game till the cows come home, something better is always just around the corner.
March 19, 2009 5:28:11 PM

You will never have "thebest" thing out there because technology flows so fast.
March 19, 2009 8:33:18 PM

fullmetall said:
I'd get the 1st one you built and get a big monitor since he's wanting a 27"to 30", might aswell get a hdtv instead of a monitor


Definitely not. A 30" monitor is visibly superior to any HDTV out there, due to the incredible 2560x1600 resolution (1080p HDTVs only have 1920x1080). An HDTV, while bigger, will not look as sharp. The Dell 3007WFP is a good choice. This does of course put an immense load on the graphics card(s), but that is actually one of the only justifiable cases for trifire/tri-sli or quadfire/quad-sli IMHO, so the rig as proposed would be able to handle it.

As for i7, it isn't just for video editing and such. It's a great choice for gaming too. It certainly isn't necessary, but there are several benchmarks that show it helping with multi-GPU setups. You don't need a sound card with i7 either - just like the AMD boards, all i7 boards come with onboard sound that isn't that bad. Also, if you go i7, you'd want 6GB (not 4-8), because it runs best in triple channel, so you want 3 matched sticks.
March 20, 2009 3:37:15 AM

He wants , The sound Cards for this reason , he wants the best sound for when he's ganking people , and when he's running his music in the back. *flac format or w/e it is* , So basically would you recommend going with the HDTV or the Monitor? Thanks guys.

also he asks when does that curved alienware monitor come out?
March 20, 2009 11:25:27 AM

I say go with 1080 120hz HDTV personally. Cheaper, bigger, 120hz (for the option of 3D gaming), lower max resolution will allow games to run smoother, longer without reducing the image quality or resolution as the system gets older.
March 20, 2009 1:52:19 PM

The curved Alienware monitor was many thousands of dollars on its own, IIRC.

As for the 1080p, I would still argue for the 30" monitor. Sure, the 1080p is lower stress, but it looks worse, and you don't need to run at native anyways once the computer starts to have trouble.
March 20, 2009 2:02:08 PM

How much worse would it look, out of 1-10, it probably wouldn't look that bad as your making it sound.
March 20, 2009 3:03:30 PM

Depends on how close you sit. The pixel size is much larger, so the sharpness is definitely lower. A 1080p certainly won't look bad, but having used a 30" monitor before, I can tell you that there is really no substitute.

Of course, it is up to you, but I'd go for the true 30" any day of the week.
March 20, 2009 3:50:23 PM

This is my setup:

I play with a "dinner tray" as close to the TV as I can (where the tray and the stand make contact). The speration is no more than 3 feet. I play at 1080p (unless the game is called Crysis then I have to play at 720p) and everything looks fantastic. Moving to a 32" HDTV on desk is going to result in the more pixels per inch.

Its not going to be as many pixels as a 2560x1600 resolution as that will display twice as many pixels. I can't see myself wanting more resolution at this time, maybe its because my peasant eyes don't know any better.lol.
March 20, 2009 4:09:52 PM

Hmm which would you say is better for gaming? like he wants sharp image and great quality in the image. Also he says ur Design is epic , also just wondering the Set up , he needs some speakers too. So i told him maybe the x-540 from Logitech? or ...?

*he's willing to pay top dollar no idea why but he says he wants a great one*
March 20, 2009 5:10:11 PM

For gaming, I would personally take the 30" 2560x1600 monitor. Others may disagree, but the incredible resolution is worth it IMHO. For the speakers, the x-540 isn't bad for the price.
March 20, 2009 5:27:23 PM

Bose Speakers.
March 20, 2009 6:01:40 PM

LOL bose is way too way out of ... his price range. *he looked at these bose surround sound system* and he saw it costed about 7k so he's like...ooh... Anyone that would be 100-1000 bucks price range? I personally like the x-540 but he doesn't , he says not enough watts.
March 20, 2009 6:11:49 PM

69ers said:
Hmm which would you say is better for gaming? like he wants sharp image and great quality in the image. Also he says ur Design is epic , also just wondering the Set up , he needs some speakers too. So i told him maybe the x-540 from Logitech? or ...?

*he's willing to pay top dollar no idea why but he says he wants a great one*


If this is just for gaming and the occasional movie, Logitech speakers should suffice. If he spends a lot of time listening to music, check out Klipsch Promedia.
March 20, 2009 7:06:37 PM

69ers said:
LOL bose is way too way out of ... his price range. *he looked at these bose surround sound system* and he saw it costed about 7k so he's like...ooh... Anyone that would be 100-1000 bucks price range? I personally like the x-540 but he doesn't , he says not enough watts.

Lol you can shake a house with those speakers. how loud does he need them to be?
March 20, 2009 9:42:15 PM

Bose are garbage for the price. I wouldn't really ever recommend them, even if they were in the price range. As for the X-540, they are louder than you might think, but if you really need more power, does it have to be surround? The Z-2300 is pretty loud, but only 2.1. Otherwise, the Z-5500 is nice. While none of the logitechs excel at sound quality, they aren't bad for computer speakers, and all of them go quite loud.
March 21, 2009 2:40:26 AM

Lol okay he said skip those. Also AMD he tells me has a Processor which can be Overclocked , to 6.0GHz? is that true?
March 21, 2009 2:42:17 AM

LOL Yeah if you have liquid nitrogen cooling. An i7 965 will do the same thing.
March 21, 2009 4:44:41 AM

69ers said:
Lol okay he said skip those. Also AMD he tells me has a Processor which can be Overclocked , to 6.0GHz? is that true?


Not on normal cooling.

From what I've seen, a typical i7 920 will go to about 3.6GHz on reasonable air cooling, 3.8-4.0 if you're willing to push it a bit. A typical Phenom II 940 gets to a similar speed, around 3.6-3.8GHz, also on air cooling. I'd personally choose the i7 between those, because it's faster for a given clock speed.

March 22, 2009 3:30:01 AM

HOLY...3k...hmm I wonder if he can pay for the liquid nitrogen lmao. Let's see what else is there... He needs a Case. He likes the ANTEC p190 but I'm not 100% sure it's right for him would you recommend it? But I say to get the Twelve Hundred , cuz it's more ... Cooling... but he doesn't agree. What would you guys say.
March 23, 2009 3:44:11 AM

P190 is a great case...But I wouldn't get it unless I had a very specific set of requirements. I don't exactly like having two PSU's either...I would just get the HAF or 1200 or maybe the Cosmos S if he really needs a lot of room for stuff.
March 23, 2009 11:04:23 AM

Wow.. 6.0ghz? where's he gettin all this information from?

the only thing i've seen was an e8400 oc'd on a biostar board to 6.0ghz and thats a dual core.

Cosmos S seems like a great Idea for casing or the storm sniper coolermaster.
!