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June 20, 2009 6:37:44 AM

I'm deciding to put a little emailing/web surfing build with old old parts I have :pt1cable: 

+++ Things that I already have +++

2.0A Ghz P4 Northy (Socket 478)

512MB DDR2 RAM

DVD ROM/CD-RW

WD 160GB IDE HDD

(Will use onboard IGP)

17" LCD Monitor

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I'm going to be getting a cheap S478 board, the Biostar P4M900.

A CM Elite 330 Case <With supplied PSU :p , I don't really care on this build :lol:  > But is 350W enough?

Cheap Thermaltake Spark II CPU Fan

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How far of a overclock will this chip get to? Thanks all!

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June 20, 2009 8:33:55 AM

Hmm Didnt know any mobos based on socket 478 supported DDR2 memory.
June 20, 2009 11:16:30 AM

you already know how far of an overclock you'll get. 2.66GHz +. You'll hit a wall around 3.0GHz for sure.
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June 20, 2009 6:24:21 PM

given what you have going there, 350watt shouldn't be a problem. worse case is it is and your loose a few parts or not.
June 20, 2009 6:38:20 PM

Thanks, anyone else have any other opinions?

How far can I push the CPU with that Thermaltake Spark II fan? Its rated for 2.8Ghz P4's and above.

2.66+ as in pinmod overclock of BIOS overclock? I'm aiming for 2.7+ Ghz (hopefully)

I have no idea what brand of PSU is in that 330 case. Is it just generic?
June 20, 2009 8:51:57 PM

Pin mod. It's a Via chipset, usually they don't have pci/ram locks for overclocking.
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June 20, 2009 10:05:48 PM

1. Up RAM to possibly 1GB or more

2. Possibly add a cheap 4350 ( such as this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $20 after MIR). The Via Chrome IGP sucks!

3. Don't get the Sparkle II. That thing's LOUD. Get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I use it on a Celeron D 315 OCed to 3.6Ghz. See: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=272070 . BSEL mod FTW!!! Keeps it at ~38-45C Idle and up to 62C on P95 load with the Rosewill cooler.

4. If possible, try and get a non VIA chipset based board. Try getting something like this:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=945...
(Pretty unusual board as it allows for Mobile CPUs. Double check CPU compatibility for this if you find it)
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June 21, 2009 1:01:25 AM

Yup, just like I thought. It's a CoolerMaster PSU. Look at the full pic*
of:
You can barely make out "Master" written on the PSU.

Newegg won't link to the full pic.
June 21, 2009 2:24:18 AM

Think it'll be enough? I've also emailed tech support on what the BIOS overclocking options are. I've heard there is a program that lets you overclock thru Windows. Can anyone confirm this?

What about a Ninja Mini for a CPU cooler?
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June 21, 2009 3:22:39 AM

You MAY be able to use ClockGen but in my experience, you have a better chance with a BSEL mod along with a Vmod.

300W should be enough for that system.
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June 21, 2009 2:19:14 PM

^So yeah, in that case you may not need a pin mod. However, you may need a vmod is BIOS won't let you set voltage.

Btw, for some reason there is no motherboard manual listed on Biostar website for that board. See: http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdownloads.asp?model=P4M900...


As far as the pin mod goes, that looks about right, but I'll have to check Intel docs. I'll do that and tell you by the end of the day today.
Note: DO NOT cut off the pin. Use some nail polish (<= what I did),tape, stripped insulation of a wire,etc to cover the pin.
June 21, 2009 6:00:41 PM

I can just cover the pin with wire then? Thanks for looking into those Intel docs for me!

Here is the manual for the Biostar board : http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID...

I'm guessin I'll use something like an IDE cable? Since the pins are so small wouldn't it be hard to put on tape or wire?
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June 21, 2009 6:44:26 PM

^You can use 18 AWG wire.

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June 21, 2009 7:11:54 PM

As far as BSEL mod goes:
You have a 133MHz CPU, BSEL[1:0] = 01
You want a 200MHz BSEL value which is 10


To force BSEL1(Pin# AD5) high you will need to mask off/insulate the CPU pin for BSEL1.Then pull BSEL0 (Pin# AD6) to ground.

Intel doc for pin layout:
http://download.intel.com/design/Pentium4/datashts/2986...
Look at page 43 for pin layout map and pages 58-65 for more details on each pin. Keep in mind the orientation and view point. Also DO NOT cut off any pins. Use nail polish.

June 21, 2009 9:39:49 PM

Looks like that Biostar motherboard has software voltage control, is this better than voltage modding?
June 21, 2009 11:52:02 PM

Forgot to add it can also overclock the FSB aswell as up the voltage.
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June 21, 2009 11:57:20 PM

AKM880 said:
Looks like that Biostar motherboard has software voltage control, is this better than voltage modding?

I personally don't like software OCing as I find it unstable, but you may have better luck. And for the sake of permanance and not needing to mess with it again, I would do a Vmod + BSEL.
June 21, 2009 11:59:57 PM

Ok thanks, is it possible for me to use the software for core voltage and the BIOS for overclocking?
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June 22, 2009 2:44:17 AM

AKM880 said:
Ok thanks, is it possible for me to use the software for core voltage and the BIOS for overclocking?


Yes you can, but it would not be useful. The software program doesn't load until the OS has finished booting, so you would be booting with a CPU running at stock voltage but with an increased clock speed. If you overclock the CPU enough that you need to increase the voltage to make the CPU stable, it probably won't be stable enough to boot to the point where the software program loads and increases the voltage. IMO, you may be able to get a rough idea of how a CPU will overclock with software tools, but you will want to do all your fine-tuning of both speeds and voltages by using the BIOS overclocking options. Yes, it does take a lot of time and reboots, but if you want to run your system as fast as possible, it takes some legwork on your part to find the correct settings. Me, I leave things at stock as the CPUs I have aren't great overclockers (PIII Coppermine 1.0B, Athlon XP 3200+, Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester) and I greatly value stability.
June 22, 2009 2:51:29 AM

Thanks, I guess I only want a slight overclock like 2.3Ghz, do you think it'll be safe wihout upping the voltages?
June 22, 2009 6:11:58 AM

Shadow703793 said:
As far as BSEL mod goes:
You have a 133MHz CPU, BSEL[1:0] = 01
You want a 200MHz BSEL value which is 10


To force BSEL1(Pin# AD5) high you will need to mask off/insulate the CPU pin for BSEL1.Then pull BSEL0 (Pin# AD6) to ground.

Intel doc for pin layout:
http://download.intel.com/design/Pentium4/datashts/2986...
Look at page 43 for pin layout map and pages 58-65 for more details on each pin. Keep in mind the orientation and view point. Also DO NOT cut off any pins. Use nail polish.

A 2.0A is not a 133 bus cpu.
June 22, 2009 1:00:59 PM

^ Correct, its a 100Mhz bus quad pumped to 400Mhz.
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