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March 19, 2009 10:28:08 AM

Hi.

My girlfriend is planning to buy a new desktop from alienware and being the tech nut, I've been checking out stuff to see if her setup is gonna go smoothly.

She's planning on getting a 750w psu, and I decided to check out a "PSU calculator" to see if it would cut it. After putting in her specs, the total came to 763w.

Is this a huge deal? Would a 750w be sufficient still? The only other choice is a 1000w.

Her planned specs:

PCU:
AMD® Phenom™ X4 9950 Black Edition Quad Core 2.6GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache

GPU:
Single 2GB GDDR5 ATI® Radeon® HD 4870 X2

RAM:
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 x 1024MB

Motherboard:
AMD® 790FX Motherboard

HDD:
500GB SATA 3Gb/s 7,200RPM 16MB Cache

Addition things include a:

High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio Card
&
a 20X Dual-Layer Burner (DVD±RW) Drive

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks


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March 19, 2009 11:44:55 AM

What PSU calculator did you use, because for the given specs, the 763W seems high? If a calculator gives you 763W, I wouldn't go under 800W.

But from the spec you gave me, I would have expected ~650W from a calculator, not >750W.

BTW, get 4GB of RAM, not 2GB, get a 64 bit OS, get a Phenom 2, check how much it would cost to build that yourself vs alienware...
March 19, 2009 3:08:23 PM

How much does Alienware quote for that? I'm curious as to how much you could save doing it yourself. Also, do you know the brand of the PSU? That is just as important as the wattage.

You probably don't need the audio card either, any decent motherboard these days have great audio on board.
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March 19, 2009 3:19:01 PM

battlemarz said:
You probably don't need the audio card either, any decent motherboard these days have great audio on board.
+1 on that, my last audio card was one I bought with my AMD Athlon 1GHz about 8 years ago :p .
March 20, 2009 4:51:29 AM

A 750w PSU is fine for that system if its a good quality built one, at full load that system wouldn't use more that 450w. Honestly though alienware charges more for their PC's than any other manufacturer, you would probably pay half of what you are paying for that PC if you built it yourself, and you would have more control of the components you put in it. I can't believe they are still using the 9950 BE...that CPU sucks, especially for a gaming PC. Its slow and HOT. Phenom II X4 940 FTW going with AMD.
March 20, 2009 5:02:46 AM

+1 on xthekidx's suggestion. Phenom II X4 940 would be a much better cpu.

What was the budget on the system you were looking at from alienware?

Building it yourself would be alot more beneficial. You can choose the parts, save a lot of cash, and get better components for your money! It really is not that hard to build a computer either, if you get stuck you can always just post on here, there is always someone who knows what they are doing on here to help you out! :D 
March 20, 2009 5:05:29 AM

+1 on the last five posts haha LETS BOYCOTT ALIENWARE!!!
March 20, 2009 5:15:07 AM

+1 again
The CPU and the Mobo are old ones...
March 20, 2009 5:17:28 AM

haha man im curious to see the price on this sucka though.
March 20, 2009 6:04:31 AM

To this point we have been pretty negative about your proposed build lol. Tell us what you want for this rig and what your budget is. We will build a better computer for cheaper, I guarantee it. Then you can decide if you want to assemble it yourself (which is not that hard, everyone thinks it will be horrible until they do it and then they realize its easy), or if you don't feel up to it, just take it to a local shop and pay them $60 or so to put it together for you once you get the parts. You will still end up with a better PC with higher quality products for less than what Alienware will charge you, I guarantee it.
March 20, 2009 6:16:09 AM

I played around with the configurator on the alienware website and made as close an approximation to your setup as I can...over $1800. LOL. They are making 100% profit on those components, perhaps more charging at that price. Honestly for that much you can build an i7 with a 4870x2 and have cash to spare for a nice big monitor. Interestingly enough though they offer the GTX 295 for $50 cheaper than the 4870x2, which is a better GPU...

Do yourself a favor, do not buy from Alienware. We can do SO much better.
March 20, 2009 6:17:19 AM

+5 (if possible) on thekids post, absolutely man, i got my finger on the mouse ready to switch tabs to newegg, you just tell us when =)
March 20, 2009 6:28:09 AM

NoodlezNightmare said:
Hi.

My girlfriend is planning to buy a new desktop from alienware and being the tech nut, I've been checking out stuff to see if her setup is gonna go smoothly.

She's planning on getting a 750w psu, and I decided to check out a "PSU calculator" to see if it would cut it. After putting in her specs, the total came to 763w.

Is this a huge deal? Would a 750w be sufficient still? The only other choice is a 1000w.

Her planned specs:

PCU:
AMD® Phenom™ X4 9950 Black Edition Quad Core 2.6GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache

GPU:
Single 2GB GDDR5 ATI® Radeon® HD 4870 X2

RAM:
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 2 x 1024MB

Motherboard:
AMD® 790FX Motherboard

HDD:
500GB SATA 3Gb/s 7,200RPM 16MB Cache

Addition things include a:

High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio Card
&
a 20X Dual-Layer Burner (DVD±RW) Drive

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks


If you have any plans of marrying this girl...think twice. If she's buying from Alienware now god only knows how she's going to blow money later on.
March 20, 2009 6:34:04 AM

Why_Me said:
If you have any plans of marrying this girl...think twice. If she's buying from Alienware now god only knows how she's going to blow money later on.

Lol. Lets hope its just due to ignorance.
March 20, 2009 6:46:48 AM

But Alienware makes it all pretty and glowy
March 20, 2009 6:51:27 AM

I'll add my voice to the chorus of people calling for you to build your own system. :) 
Heck, maybe even build it together with her, it'll be a great photo op.

I bought a system from Alienware when I was starting college (studying digital animation and film production). It was a fantastic computer, and it should have been, because it cost me ~ $3200. Once I found out how much I spent, how much I could have built it for myself (right about 1800-2000), and how much it was worth in three years, I decided then and there to learn how to build my own systems and never looked back. I definitely get the allure of the boutique system builders, but it'll feel so much better building it with your (or her!) own hands and getting Igor to pull the switch to wake it up. :) 

I just went in and put together a test build for 4,000 on their ALX lineup (you can't even pick the i7 920, they force you to choose from the 940 or 965) and I came up with a comparable system for right around 1700 less on New Egg. That's a whole lot of premium they make people pay for a light show and acoustic dampening.
March 20, 2009 6:54:05 AM

Ok so since I'm bored I am going to show you what I would do with that $1800

Case and PSU: CM Storm Sniper and Corsair 850tx
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Motherboard: P6T Deluxe V2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU and CPU Cooler: i7 920 and Noctua NH-U12P SE1366
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Ram: 6gb OCZ Platinum
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card:Saphire 4870x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: WD Caviar Black 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Drive: LG
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Shipping included that comes to $1675. That system wipes the floor with that POS alienware.

If you wanted to spend the same amount of money as that alienware, then this is what I would upgrade to:
CPU and GPU: EVGA GTX 285 and i7 920
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
anther GPU for SLI: EVGA GTX 285
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU cooler: Scythe Mugen 2
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/scythe-mugen-2-cpu-coole...

Total of those changes comes to about $1950 with shipping included. Then you get $80 MIR back, grand total of $1870. This build would crush that POS alienware, they would probably charge you over $3500 for the same thing.
March 20, 2009 6:54:09 AM

EyesOnMidnight said:
I just went in and put together a test build for 4,000 on their ALX lineup (you can't even pick the i7 920, they force you to choose from the 940 or 965) and I came up with a comparable system for right around 1700 less on New Egg. That's a whole lot of premium they make people pay for a light show and acoustic dampening.

Haha amen brotha +1
March 20, 2009 6:56:25 AM

xthekidx said:
Ok so since I'm bored I am going to show you what I would do with that $1800

Case and PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU and CPU Cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Ram:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Shipping included that comes to $1675. That system wipes the floor with that POS alienware.

If you wanted to spend the same amount of money as that alienware, then this is what I would upgrade to:
CPU and GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
anther GPU for SLI:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU cooler:
http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/scythe-mugen-2-cpu-coole...

Total of those changes comes to about $1950 with shipping included. Then you get $80 MIR back, grand total of $1870. This build would crush that POS alienware, they would probably charge you over $3000 for the same thing.


Couldn't have put it better myself, beautiful rig there thekid.
March 20, 2009 7:07:03 AM

+1 for xthekidx build.

March 20, 2009 8:05:35 AM

+1 for the xthekidx

and to the topic creator.... dude plz tell your gal to build her own system ull be paying more for some led fans and some alien stickers and why the hell is she going for the 9950be???? get the phenom II dude brilliant performance at a very reasonable price!!

think about it
March 20, 2009 8:10:10 AM

sid_nag17 said:
+1 for the xthekidx

and to the topic creator.... dude plz tell your gal to build her own system ull be paying more for some led fans and some alien stickers and why the hell is she going for the 9950be???? get the phenom II dude brilliant performance at a very reasonable price!!

think about it


Why even get an AMD when you can get an i7 ? Look at it this way....if you had the money would you rather be driving a volkswagon bug, or a Ferrari ? AMD's are for poor people, and if she's buying from Alienware, then we know she can obviously afford an i7 rig.
March 20, 2009 8:22:03 AM

Ok now I'm going to show you what you could build that system for you are looking at from alienware if you did it yourself.

HDD: $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Optical: $24
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU/Case:$190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU: $400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total including Shipping and rebates: $1004. This is including a better Power supply, case, and most likely better motherboard than you would get in that system. Do you feel like you are getting ripped off yet?
March 20, 2009 8:36:31 AM

The branding must mean a lot to some people, because wow... 4870x2 for $550 over the included 9800 GT... I feel that one all the way over here.
March 20, 2009 9:01:03 AM

EyesOnMidnight said:
The branding must mean a lot to some people, because wow... 4870x2 for $550 over the included 9800 GT... I feel that one all the way over here.

lol yeah that means that they are charging you at least $700 for the 4870x2, if you assume they want $150 for the 9800 GT, chances are they want more like $200-$250 for it.
March 20, 2009 12:41:18 PM

and this is why i learned to build systems
March 20, 2009 9:48:08 PM

LOL.

Don't worry guys. I've TOLD her alienware is expensive. She doesn't know much about computers (how they work/hardware) so she basically heard alienware is a big name and decided to go with that.

Her comp is costing $3000 <.<;

Shes only paying $2k for it though(grad present) so it could be worse.

LOL from the posts I've checked, you guys are pretty much on the mark with the prices she SHOULD be paying. But eh. I've tried.



Thanks
March 20, 2009 10:09:14 PM

LOL. You better keep separate bank accounts if you marry this chica. Even $2000 is a rip off for that PC. Alienware isn't expensive, its OUTRAGEOUS.
March 20, 2009 10:13:18 PM

Well at any rate, tell her to get an i7 or at least Phenom II, the 9950BE is crap, garbage, poop. And tell her to buy the cheapest Video card offered with the PC, and the cheapest ram configuration. I think Alienware wanted $200 for 4gb of DDR2-1066 when I checked last night, which you can buy for $45 from Newegg and put in yourself later, same with the graphics card, you can buy a 4870x2 for $400 and that takes a minute to put in the PC yourself if you know anything about computers. If she actually wants to spend that money, then tell her to give you the extra and buy her some diamond earrings or something...maybe that will get through to her.
March 20, 2009 10:16:02 PM

NoodlezNightmare said:
Her comp is costing $3000 <.<;
That is just insane, come-on, snap her out of it ... it's 3 times what is is worth. You could BOTH have a better computer than what she is getting for that price.

I can understand wanting something cool when finishing school, I did the same thing (plus I had a computer financing program from my employer back then .... ahhh the dot com era). If to treat herself, get xthekidx's ~2000$ SLI setup and add a 30" Samsung 305T LCD. The computer will be useless (or close) in 2-3 years, but unless it breaks, the LCD will probably last 5-10 years.
March 20, 2009 10:19:15 PM

xthekidx said:
Well at any rate, tell her to get an i7 or at least Phenom II, the 9950BE is crap, garbage, poop. And tell her to buy the cheapest Video card offered with the PC, and the cheapest ram configuration. I think Alienware wanted $200 for 4gb of DDR2-1066 when I checked last night, which you can buy for $45 from Newegg and put in yourself later, same with the graphics card, you can buy a 4870x2 for $400 and that takes a minute to put in the PC yourself if you know anything about computers.


Hey, not to spam this thread, but since were talking about Alienware being a rip off...which everyone knows it is, I just did an i7 build on another thread just now for $1,000. You know what this means right? It means AMD is going even further down the tubes. :sol: 
I mean who's going to get some ghetto-hood rat AMD rig when they can build an i7 rig for a grand? HA HA...I love it. :love:  :) 

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