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12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz Or 24GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz

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Hi! I would appreciate if someone could explain me which option is better!
- 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 2048MB
Or
- 24GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz – 6 x 4096MB

It would be amazing if you could explain why, the importance of the differences between speed and memory!
Thanks a lot!

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6gb of DDR3 1333 is more than you need.

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Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

6gb of DDR3 1333 is more than you need.


I'm thinking about buying a Alienware ALX X58 lol And I want to think about the future lol I want the system to last some years lol
I want to buy the best option! lol That' the idea! loool
So...
- 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 2048MB
Or
- 24GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz – 6 x 4096MB
??? lol Wich of them is going to give a best overall preformance?

Reply to jaimelive

No system will last "some years". Theres no reason to go with that much ram for a gaming computer, its a complete waste of money unless your a big photoshop user.

12gb is extreme overkill, 24gb is just stupid.

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Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

look in the toms reviews somewhere they actually found excessive memory slows things down a touch, save yourself the cash and invest in a worthwhile upgrade like an SSD / better or extra graphics card or a sweet monitor.

The problem with 24GB of ram is the rest of your compnants will be superseded well before the ram is - reminds me of my first computer Cyrix 6x86 133+ 32mb ram (most people ran 8 or 12) and a matrox millenium g200 12mb and 2x 16 mb voodoo 2 cards - it didnt run anything well because the processor was a load of kak.

Reply to will_chellam

zipzoomflyhigh wrote :

No system will last "some years". Theres no reason to go with that much ram for a gaming computer, its a complete waste of money unless your a big photoshop user.

12gb is extreme overkill, 24gb is just stupid.



Actualy I am... Photoshop... Flash... Premier Pro (just a little bit)... Audition... And some times it is quite useful to run them simultaneously :)

I first thought that 12gb would be more than enought but than I decidede to ask someone with soma actual knowledge :p

You see! It's not just a gaming computer!

Anyway do you think that it's worth to pay +2200$ to upgrade from 12 to 24?

Reply to jaimelive

Anyway It might be usefull to say that the processor is a Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme 3.86 GHz with 8MB Cache

Reply to jaimelive

will_chellam wrote :

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

look in the toms reviews somewhere they actually found excessive memory slows things down a touch, save yourself the cash and invest in a worthwhile upgrade like an SSD / better or extra graphics card or a sweet monitor.

The problem with 24GB of ram is the rest of your compnants will be superseded well before the ram is - reminds me of my first computer Cyrix 6x86 133+ 32mb ram (most people ran 8 or 12) and a matrox millenium g200 12mb and 2x 16 mb voodoo 2 cards - it didnt run anything well because the processor was a load of kak.



Man! It is a Alienware! lol It has a 512GB SSD! Dual 1,792 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 295 (3.5GB), a Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-975 Extreme 3.86 GHz with 8MB Cache ... you know... lol cutting edge material... lol My only question is... Are 24GB of ram worth an additional 2200$ over the base price of 12GB?

Reply to jaimelive

well 12 GB is over kill too IMO

by the time u will need 12GB ram it will be uber cheap and ud prolly be doing a full upgrade

toms hardware showed a few weeks back that 3,6 and 12 gb ram gave the same preformance on games

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Reply to mildiner86

Nothing will use the extra RAM for the interim. Never having done more than recreational photoediting I cant speak from experience, but from my understanding of the programs they cache the image/s and then refresh the individual parts that changed. So a higher frequency wouldnt help as much as a lower latency, as the later would help it refresh faster. In essence your not constantly pushing through new information so a higher total bandwidth ( created by a higher frequency ) wont actually provide an advantage. So get the 12Gb base model for the interim and buy more RAM if you find yourself needing it later. Newegg.com has the best prices ive found on memory and just about any other component. Id personally suggest building your own computer with the assistance of various articles on this site, as Dell charges ridiculous premiums for what they provide. If your looking for a decent rig, then ppl here will be more than willing to offer advice. Albeit with some bias towards certain products. See: Nvidia Vs ATI , Intel Vs AMD, etc

Reply to mcnuggetofdeath

12 gigs has some slight advantages in a few memory heavy apps (compared to 6 gigs). 24 gigs is overkill. There's no reason to go to 24 gigs, especially with that kind of price premium (You do realize that for $2200, you could build an entire system that is quite fast, right). Oh, and if you built one yourself with an i7 920 (rather than that i7 975 EE), you could overclock it just as fast. The 975 can be pushed higher than a 920, true, but both will almost always exceed that 3.86GHz number you mention.

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Reply to cjl

^You do need 24GB if it's a HPC/Cluster/server (and in some cases high end CAR/rendering) :) . For everyday CS4,etc use 12GB is more than enough. Just remember to turn off pagefile with more than 4GB RAM.

 
jaimelive wrote :

I'm thinking about buying a Alienware ALX X58 lol And I want to think about the future lol I want the system to last some years lol
I want to buy the best option! lol That' the idea! loool
So...
- 12GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 6 x 2048MB
Or
- 24GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHz – 6 x 4096MB
??? lol Wich of them is going to give a best overall preformance?


Imo, why not build it your self (DIY)? We will gladly help with a DIY build if you are willing to learn a bit an do a bit of work. 90% of the time you can get a better system for less money and the knowledge stays with you so you can keep building PCs in the future. For example a (6*2GB) 12GB DDR3 1333 kit will only cost you $200-250 (see Newegg) while 12GB DDR3 cost $500 for the Dell (see: http://www.alienware.com/customize [...] KU-DEFAULT ).

 

Side note: Don't put the drive on RAID0. Put the drives in RAID 01. Mainly due to data safety. Also if you don't have a good back up drive, get one.


Message edited by Shadow703793 on 06-22-2009 at 12:21:06 AM
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Reply to Shadow703793

Here's a comparable if not faster build but without the charge of having Alienware do everything:

 

Mobo: P6T deluxe V2 ($289)
CPU: i7 920 ($279) (Overclockable to at least 3.6GHz regardless of stepping, and if you get a D0, which is nearly guaranteed now, you could probably get over 4GHz without much trouble)
GPU: 2x EVGA GTX 295 ($1069)
PSU: Corsair HX1000W ($239)
RAM: 12 gigs Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600($358)
CPU cooler: TRUE ($75)
Optical drive: LG Blu-Ray Burner ($250)
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 ($169)
Hard drives:2x Intel X25-M 160GB SSD, RAID 0 ($1238, and faster than that 512GB model in the Alienware) plus a WD 1TB Caviar Black storage drive ($99)
OS: Vista Ultimate, OEM ($175)

 

Total: $4240
Comparable Alienware (as best I can replicate it): at least $6500, probably more

 

You really should consider building your own - note that the build posted above is by no means trying to use good value parts either - you could drop quite a bit from the cost by getting rid of the Dominator RAM, and going with cheaper SSDs. My point was to show just how good of a build you could get while still staying cheaper than the Alienware. You could also go with full liquid cooling, but I'm not familiar enough with that to know which components to recommend. EVGA has some nice liquid cooled GTX 295s though that come overclocked as well (you would need to already have the rest of the liquid cooling loop to run them though).


Message edited by cjl on 06-22-2009 at 01:06:44 AM
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Reply to cjl

^Agreed. As for water cooling, expect to spend about $600-700 for cooling 2 GPUs + CPU + RAM and may be even MOSFETs,etc. For just cooling CPU, it can be done for under $350. Again, like cjl, I'm basing these prices on top notch water cooling items such as MCP655 + GTZ,etc. I'm not sure what WC set ups or option Alienware has but I'm pretty sure it's no where near the performance of a custom loop.

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Reply to Shadow703793

Okay unless you are doing auto-cad, daz 3d studio, vmware or something like that, 24gigs is stupidly overkill for your needs, 12gigs, is overkill but since its cheap nowadays then its okay to get it i guess, but even 6gigs is enough for you. Thats all I have to say.

Reply to blackhawk1928

Thanks everyone! I'm very gratefully ^^
I think I'm gonna follow your advices and try to learn something about building my own system!

Reply to jaimelive

Errata:
I'm very grateful ^^

Reply to jaimelive

Now your gettin it!

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Reply to zipzoomflyhigh

I run memory intensive computations in MATLAB, and used 12 gb ram to reduce the number of programming nuances involved with dealing with large datasets. (removing variables, chopping into smaller blocks, these sorts of annoyances), and even here I have to have huge amounts of data loaded (in the obvious range) before I have to resort to boring programming tricks.

I don't see how someone who isn't routinely having 12 gb of crap needed to be accessed would even need 12 gb, and 24 is just not worth the price IMO. I'd much rather save 2 grand.

Reply to CLST

I put 24 gb in my system just for kicks :D

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Reply to jaymoney61

from my knowledge on memory i would say 24gigs is beyond overkill, 12 gigs is probably also overkill but will become the standard for mid & high end gaming machines in a year or two....

Someone mentioned turning off the page file with more than 4 gigs or memory, please explain how u do this? and how it helps? and to what extent?

Reply to shel0319

Ok,there are lots of people giving suggestion and i don't think you will listen to mine but still i will say the right thing,Don't go over 8gb ram for Photoshop use because it can crash photoshop or the whole pc could freeze,ok ok ok it sounds stupid right?and it is stupid,and what you are saying upgrading to 24 gb ram is more stupid than that because if you are not a gamer then don't even bother to buy a core i7,so much ram,gtx 295,just keep on your budget and trust me it will save you atleast 500 bucks!!!!!!!!

Reply to awesomesoccerfan

12gb should do you fine, unless you want REAL bragging power in which case, build your own pc http://1228server.co.cc/imgs/signature_smiley3.jpg

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Reply to caljomac

Jesus christ... You and your lols.

And what type of suprume future proof machine are you building? 10 years in the future? I highly doubt 10 years down the line they will have 24GB's of ram in systems...

You don't if any need more then 8-12GB's. Stop being stupid. It's inpossible to utulize more then 8GB's of RAM in todays age anyway. INPOSSIBLE. Even tommorows age. People are just about having 4GB DDR3 as standard.

You're going WAY over the top... future proof or not, its a waste (richie rich.)

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