Reccomendations for Xtreme PC

Hi , I want an extremely fast PC with max air cooling as my pc stay on 24/7 most of the time.
Please let me know if you have any idea how to make this system better especially with the price of these components extremely expensive.
Thanks

1. Cooler Master HAF 932
2. Intel core i7 975 Extreme Bloomfield
3. Evga x58 Classified E759
4. 2 Evga Geforce Gtx 295 with Backplates
5. Asus 24'' VK246H
6. ABS TAGAN BZ 1300w
7. 12Gb Corsair Dominator GT 1866mhz ( 6* 2gb) ddr3
8. 2 ocz vertex 60gb in raid 0
9. 4 western digital caviar black 1TB ( 4* 1TB)
10. Wireless Mouse & Keyboard
11. Lg Blu-Ray/ Hd Dvd Burner combo
12. Lg Dvd+-r writer Lightscribe
13. SOund blaster X-FI Titanium
14. Evga Xeno killer pro
15. Cooler Master V10

Is this system stable ?

Is an i7 920 o'c to 4.0 ghz same as a core i7 975 o'c to 4.0ghz ?
What do you reccomend :

2 evga gtx 295 red or the co-op version ?
or
3 Evga gtx 285 2gb
or
3 Evga gtx 285 1gb

Is liquid cooling necessary on this system ?

Is the 2 ssd drive really worth it or 8 x 500gb wd caviar black in raid 0 ok ?

Is the coolermaster v10 reliable to cool the ram and processor ?

Is Abs tagan bz 1300w the best psu for this sytem ?

I have heard that 12gb Dominator GT 2000mhz is not stable...is that true?

WHich ram do you reccomend on this system .

Which case do you reccomend for max cooling ( no liquid )


DOes the ssd drive make programs start faster , no freezing etc,,?
Does ssd drives heat ?

My pc stay on 24/7 ...i turn off only a few times a week...
Thanks

WIll the core i7 920 o'c @ 4.0ghz have same performance as an i7 965 @ 4.0 ghz ?
WIll the i7 920 be stable @ 4.0ghz with Coolermaster v10?

Yes.

Should be, depends on your ambient temperature and how much voltage your chip requires to get to 4GHz.

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=g [...] rticID=893

I don't know about best, but it is very good.

The 920 can EZly be oced over 4.0 with decent cooling. ( WCed is a +++ )

And i would go with 2 GTX285 2gb. 3 is very useless and 2 is just already an overkill for the res, but if you really want a KILLING MACHINE, 2 GTX285 2gb can satisfy you. I dont see a point in the GTX295 buying ...

You picked a good case, good part, good MOBO, il would only swap the PSU to a Corsair HX850. Read this review and youll just BUY IT NOW !

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.p [...] y&reid=153

Hey viruzz, just curious... your reasoning behind building this sort of machine?

Potential 3k+ machines fascinates me... although most of the time we can pull that down to sub-2k so if you can tell us your usage/reasons for making this message, we might be able to help your wallet. A lot. You already saved several hundreds on that 920, right?

Edit (just read your new post): The only difference between the i7 920 and i7 975 are the clock speeds. You'll notice that they're both Core i7s. Thus, overclocked to the same speeds, the only difference would be architecture and IPCs (instructions per clock), and since they're both i7s, they'll perform identically. Of course, the 975 has a few differences.. like an unlocked multiplier, which makes overclocking simpler but you'll still reach the only numbers you need with the 920. Is the extra few hundred megahertz and an unlocked multiplier worth the half-grand+? I don't know, let's ask that to the GTX 295 we just bought with that SAVED CASH. Another pair of GPUs > 200mhz.

And yes, the GTX 295 is the best graphics card... but so what? You still don't need two of it to run all your games even on a 30 inch monitor... except stupid games that consume resources and break drivers for no reason at max resolutions and settings. (cough, Crysis and Stalker).

And about the power usage.. people will say you need more than 1000w because any of the sh***y PSU's out labeled as such won't be able to handle heavy loads on the 12v rails. On the other hand, we have a quality PSU from Corsair that can handle a huge load of 840w (70A * 12v = 840watts) JUST on the 12v rail which should be technically enough to handle an i7 overclocked to 4ghz AND a pair of GTX 295s + all your hard drive//fan peripherals. Of course, you're cutting it pretty close at that rate, but I'm saying the 850HX performs pretty close to some of the other kilowatt models out there...)

viruzz, how about we find out what you need from this computer and we'll recommend/make further adjustments from there.

Edit2: Last only a few months? You jest... as long as you keep the temperatures down (as a Prolimatech Megahalems might be able to do) and voltages within reasonable ranges, it'll long outlast its component worthiness. Don't worry about your "safely overclocked and cooled 4ghz i7 920" dying, every other part in your computer will die/become useless before you have to worry about your CPU longetivity. The RAM and hard drives will probably die first =).

I want a very very fast machine @ everything..especially converting movies, playing games.

Using lots of applications @ same time without freezing etc...

Max performance ..Max cooling ( air only)

I wanted the best of everything to make sure i dnt get BSOD error , system freezing , game crashes due to lack of resources etc....

Can an i7 920 be put 6.4 gt/s like the i7 965 ?

Is there any other difference between these 2 processors other than clock speed ?

Expensive WC ? your building an initial over 4k system .... !!! ???

Yes the V10 throw air to the RAM, but the CASE is too .. the HAF have a SIDE fan that blow to the RAM.

I would go for 120-140mm fans cause the can make more Air pressure. Big 230 fans move lots of aire, but without real "Flow/Pressure" that you need to vent the parts. Ill would only use BIG fan on the TOP/exhaust.

The unlocked MULTI is the only + for the 965. But you reach OVER 4.0ghz with a 920. Take a look at OCforum.com, theres LOTS of I7 OCers there.

My system for you :

CPU : I7 920
MOBO : EVGA classi ( Or asus P6T deluxe V2 )
RAM : 6gb (3x2gb) of GOOD ram ( OCZ/Corsair/Gskill)
Cooling : ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme
GPU : 2 GTX285 2gb if want to be EXTREM
PSU : 850-1000 Corsair/Seasonic/TT toughPower/ and few others. Corsair HX850
CASE : CM HAF 932
HDD : 7200rpm, 32mb cache. I like Western Digital 640 that are cheap and fast.

This is my 2-3-4-5 cents !

Okay viruzzz. Apparently you have no idea how powerful the i7 and the GTX 285/295s are. You don't need to spend 3k on a system except for pure epe... I won't say it. You'll get fine performance with the stuff people already recommended without having to toss away heaps of cash on the 975 and (more than one) GTX 295s.

What kind of system are you using right now?
What size is your current monitor? Your desired/future monitor?
How often do you encode videos?
What games do you play/want to play, at what setting and resolution?

You have a few good recommendations already, but I'm just wanting to make sure we're dealing with what you need (and want).

Oh, and I'll second that the 850hx can handle i7 overclocked + 2 x gtx 285, and I'll second that it's a good build... except if you can get your hands on the Prolimatech Megahalems, that'll be the "best air cooling" you're looking for.

And since you are looking for fast everything, I would definitely not recommend just one hard drive... but 8 hard drives in a raid 0 is overkill in my opinion! A pair of

Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136319

in raid 0 or a decent SSD
Intel X25-M SSDSA2MH080G1 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid state disk (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820167005

I remember the Intel x25-m being one of the best at its release, but I'm sure someone somewhere released something better and cheaper since Intel's... and so someone else will have to make a recommendation.

But... anything more than a pair of SSDs in RAID 0 is overkill, and too many Hard Drives in RAID 0 increases the chance of hard drive failure pretty significantly, and not to mention... overkill.

And whenever you put something in raid 0, make sure you have a few back-up/storage hard drives.

Look, while people are making (good) recommendations for you, I'm trying to figure out exactly what you need so that you don't overshoot (and waste a couple grand of cash) and at the same time, make sure you don't UNDERshoot and waste a couple of grand getting a computer that doesn't match your needs. Be patient with me here and try to answer the questions as thoroughly as possible, cool?

^ Nah I'm just Joshing. Anyway Two GTX285s are just fine. Wether 3x GTX285s and two GTX 295s are better for you just depends on the games you play. Most of the time the two 295s are faster, but the extra memory on the 285s helps them pull ahead. I say go with the 285s and get the 2GB versions. With that you shouldn't have to upgrade for a long time.

As for your hard drives I don't feel that the SDDs are worth it, but it's up to you. If you want to run a 4TB array though then you need a smaller array for your OS to boot from. Due to the limitations of BIOS I think you're limited to like 2TB and anything larger you can't boot from.

I don't feel that 8 smaller drives is a good idea because you've just doubled your chance for failure. Now you have 8 pieces that can take down all your array rather than 4. Remember, in Raid 0 if any of those drives dies it takes the whole array with it. If you want to use 8 drives then at least use RAID 5 for some redundancy. If you don't know about the different RAID levels then read up on them here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

Lastly, I wouldn't go with the Creative Card. If you do want a dedicated sound card then consider an ASUS Xonar or an Auzentech sound card

Those? Does that include mine, sir?

Well...your wasting money for your resolution, but since you want an "xtreme PC" then 3x GTX285 will beat 2xGTX295's.

As far as your questions of stablity and hard drives - it does not matter.

SSD is waste of money but if you want quick access it does give you a good boot time. As i said in the email yesterday - you could set up a raid volume with 2 sdd and then raid with the 1-2TB 4 drives in raid/raid10 - this would give you 2 volumes.


you can use the raid10 as your redundant storage and raid0 as the program volume an ssd as the boot.

the combination of raid0/10 is more stable over time with nviidai or intel built in raid controllers. If you use a raid card then use raid5 or raid6


the othe hybrid system we set up is this one - the time build is a much longer and i do not post photos of finished systems.

this is the same hybrid or dual loop the top is reverse air flow blowing in and runnng only to the cpu we split the line of the botttom to the gpu and then to second rad then too the cpu.






good luck with your build

and use a silverstone psu or corsair or antec - 1300w is way too big -1000w is good for most systems - you need to add up your power and size it in the 60-80range as i told i mentioned before

good luck!

Uh... was the "noobies" necessary in your final caveat? I somehow doubt any of us made any less educated responses than you did =/.

Hi ,
Thanks for your replies

SO from what i can see:

No real difference between the i7 920 and 965 except huge price difference

On that system what do you reccomend : ocz platinium 1600mhz CL7 or the corsair dominator Cl8 1600mhz ?

so the ssd only makes boot time faster...Is the velociraptor a good HD ?

Is it true that the velociraptor make a lot of noise ?

Which would be better ...i dnt want system freezes , black screen etc...( max speed / performance )

Ssd , 4 velociraptors , fujitsu 15k rpm

I was hoping to take a 42'' - 52'' inch monitor later on...

So should i stick with 1 gtx 295 or 2 ? or even 3 gtx 285 2gb ?

WHich is better : Gtx 295 red edition evga or Evga gtx 295 co-p edition ( 1 pcb only)

Which sound card do you all reccomend ?

I want a very silent pc at very cool temperature....Is there any way to make the haf 932 fans silent etc..?

ARe you sure that 1000w is enough for this system ?

Thanks again

You want silent? Don't get the HAF 932. Honestly, I don't know why you're willing to spend 3k on all the other parts but you're slacking on the case. Treat yourself to something with more style and workmanship, like something from Lian Li or Silverstone, or maybe even something else from Cooler Master:
COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119138

If the memories the same clock speeds, go for the one with the better (lower) timings. Make sure they're DDR3 triple channel kits.

Don't get velociraptors. They're not worth it because the performance is pretty similar to the Caviar Black Series... and they're noisy under load. My suggestion would be to just get a pair of 640gb's in Raid 0 and another pair of 1TB harddrives for storage and back up. SSDs are still not worth it, and I'm not honestly sure you need that much read/write power. You're just trying to avoid system freezes and you want high performance? That's up to you taking good care of your computer. Avoid downloading crap and viruses and avoid destroying your registry, avoid useless start up programs and avoid programs that consume loads of CPU and memory unnecessarily. THAT will help you so much more than trying to avoid the underlying issue with unneeded monster computational problems.

Is 1000w enough for an i7 and a pair of gtx 295s? Yes. Depends on which 1000w model though.

Are you an audiophile? Are you a DJ? Do you do any music/sound edit that require perfect replication or acoustics? Do you have a killer stereo system and a pair of audiophile cans? Did you answer no to all the above questions? Then don't get a sound card. On-board sound has improved very much in the past, and you probably won't be dissatisfied, even if you are a classical music connoisseur.

viruzzz, I'm going to say this over and over again... but you are seriously underestimating the performance and potential of some of these parts. If you're coming from an ancient pentium 4, I can understand that you'll want top performance but if you've been using a pentium 4 and a radeon x1300 your entire life, you don't understand what top performance looks like, and so you might be pointlessly overshooting here.

1) Do you have a 30 inch monitor? What monitor resolutions will you be gaming at, what games will you play, and what settings will you play them at? ESP. do you/will you want to max out AA and AF settings?
2) What computer are you using right now/are replacing with this new computer?

I want a very very good pc ...
Extremely fast...
No freezing etc...
Can run lots and lots of programs ..open hundreds of tab in IE 8 without any problem
Run any game at highest resolution , highest colors etc....
I also need a lots of storage as i download 20-23 gb in 24 hours and my pc remains on 24/7 ..i turn off a few times a week

Also, in my opinion since you are spending so much money on a rig, I would buy to two really fast solid state drives and connect them in raid 0. This would make your system XXXtremley fast. It will boot almost instantly and load apps into your ram with ridiculous speeds. However if one of your solid states goes down then you will lose all your data since everything is divided into pieces for faster transfer. In that case I recommend Raid 10. This way, everything will be as fast as raid 0, however you will need 4 SSD's in there so each half of the raid will be backed up on 2 drives making your system wayyy safer and wayyy faster.

This site THG has a detailed power supply article for many many set ups - just google it


xbit had an article for power supplies as the show 500w is the draw


http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/c [...] html#sect0
most double and triple sli or crossfire systems are 500-600w
with the 60% rule that is 1000w psu


raid10 is redundant run all raid10


we use raid0 and raid10 for most people - again skip raid5 unless your running a seperate (raid) card with its own brain (cpu and ram)

Those monitors are lower resolution than a 24" computer monitor. There is no need for more than 2x GTX260 or GTX275.

I am going to give my storage speech i give people on the phone

first off, hard drive failure is pretty rare these days. Most people change pc's before the hdd wear out.

most people know that if a hdd is going to fail, it will fail l in less then 6 months or after 5 years. out experince is bad hard drives fail in first week or a few days.


the greater danger (to your data ) is a power surge, so they only way to back up is too use external - but what happens if you get a power surge while backing up your external?

solution is rotating external drives - 2 or 3 back up drives - this how i store my data

third layer is adding on line storage i(if your data is worth money use on line back up)

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If your really worried about your data you should have hard copies (discs or what ever) plus a external back and a on line back up.

RAID0/10 that is having part raid0 and part raid10, if you do have a single drive failure the raid10 is fine. RAID10 is pretty fast too.

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raptors are not much faster then "short stroking" 1TB drives.

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i go SSD os and 4 DRVE's in raid0/10 - we been building these for years - failures are very very rare.

about 1 out of 10 computers (i am guestimating) at some point in their life will give a smart warning, i ran a system for over a year with a smart warning never a failure.


ok i hope that helps!

I'm kind of tired of this. Good luck with whatever you choose viruzzz.

Edit: Quieter than caviar blacks? They make nearly no noise to me, but i've never owned a pair of velociraptors so that may be true. Thanks for the heads up, but I'm leaving this thread to the rest of you guys.

I have a wide range of colors of granite you can choose from, can build it almost any style you want. Case in this picture has blue granite on the inside and black granite on the top and front. If your interested PM

BTW,

In this build I have 2 WD blacks 640 gb in Raid 0, I started with a 300 GB Raptor and benched both setups, and the 640 gb read faster then the raptor, access time is slower for the 640 blacks in Raid 0. As far as speed I can not tell the difference that much between the raptor, and the Raid set up. Both are fast, The 2 640GB WD Blacks were cheaper to buy. So I am happy with them. Noise, I didn't really notice any noise to speak of out of the raptors or the blacks.

I can't. I really can't.

Why don't you buy a proper camera?

Here are better pics, still some minor touch ups to do to case and adding a few things, trim, stuff like that.