GTX 275 Released: newegg.com $259+

Wow, more expensive than a 4890 and the 4890 outperforms them. I was expecting the GTX 275 to be about $240. QUICK NVIDIA GET SOME MIRs!

These cards have been on Newegg for over a week. Also, they perform the same as the 4890 so lets not get carried away in this....again. http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3539

From the article: "At 1680 x 1050 and 1920 x 1200 the 4890 is nearly undefeated. At 2560 x 1600, it seems to be pretty much a wash between the two cards"

The perform the same eh? Seems that is decisive for the 4890, regardless if its just a 5-10% here or there.

Yeah, I wish people would stop drooling over ATI. Just went from nvidia to ATI and do I wish I had stuck with nvidia. They were a lot more stable, great drivers, rich color, great. Damn ATI, can't you really release a STABLE driver?

there are a number of PPL blinded by nvidia on this site, or cant see the wood for the tree's, the ATI card gets the best of this card in most games, not by much but it is clearly the winner, so wake up and smell the coffee little man

^^that all depends no who is installing them, some say nvidia's drivers are bad some say its ATI that has bad drivers, i have not run into problems with drivers from ether manufacturer, the only problem i have, are PPL that don't know how to uninstall a driver from one manufacturer then install drivers from the other, run into problems and blame there stupidity on BAD drivers.

i would even go as far as to say that 95% of the reported bad ATI drivers on this site are caused by the left over nvidia drivers, so at the end of the day you can blame nvidia for ATIs bad drivers

Okay lets go with this how many ppl own both ati and nvidia cards. Because i purchase both. Imo a 2-6 fps difference in games be it ati or nvidia ahead (not including grinds and l4d 20+ fps diff lol but really it's already over 65 do i care?) Really they perform more or less the same across the board given the ati card has a trend of being a few fps faster on lower resolution with AA turned up and the nvidia card runs a bit faster with higher resolution with AA turned up. I mark the AA because nvidia cards have a bad habit or loosing a ton of fps when AA is turned on although x4 is hardly maxed up and perfectly reasonable AA for a lot of games to clean it up.

I still hold true unless you are buying for very specific games you will be playing
4890 vs 275 same
260 (216)vs 4870 1gig same
so buy w.e you wish maybe you think the nvidia card is prettier then go with that.

Edit: I will say dealing with CCC vs System Tools i've found System Tools a ton friendlier and easier to handle hooking up to tv and tweaking etc, imo in terms of lay out nvidia is seemly cleaner. But really it's your prerogative so what if CCC may be a bit harder to work with mostly people wont be messing around with it so that really neglible.

Although it may have changed last CCC i played with was on a 3000's series awhile back for a friends comp.

Oh brother not again. Another person too incompetent to install drivers. LOL.

Ive installed ATI graphics cards and drivers on at least 15 machines, including my own machine with the HD4850, never had a single problem with any of them, and just today installed 9.4 without a hitch, so apparently it was your machine that was unstable or improperly configured.......Sigh...
Fact is ATI is about to put Nvidia 6ft under. They dont have a platform and they are about to get burried.

Ive personally never had issues with ATI or Nvidia drivers, and if I did it was due to my own mistakes such as reinstalling without a reboot due to being in a hurry/stupid. Alot of these driver issues stim from fanboism.

For me I would probably go with the HD 4890 at this point in time for the following reasons:

1. Lower price with the rebates (assuming I get it)
2. Better performance in Fallout 3 (the only game I am playing that get benchmarked in reviews, don't see any for X3 - Terran Conflict)
3. Lower power consumption 'cause eventually the HD 4890 (unless I change my mind) will replace the 9600GT in my HTPC.

Since people here say ATI drivers aren't the problem, someone plz help me with my ATI issue, thxs:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/foru [...] l#t1927862

well, i agree with the driver issues, i have had systems on both the green and the red side

i guess whatever card you choose is preference, really, are you going to notice a 20+fps gap at 100+fps, or even a 2fps gap at 30fps, probably not, get what you want

jaguarskx, the 275 has lower power consumption than the 4890 and My last card was a 8600GT apart from it breaking I had no driver problems or anything else. With my 4850 because of a driver update, it went bad and I had to install windows again.

....now thats the funniest thing I read all day. Thanks for the laugh. Obviously you tried to run a ATI video card and drivers while still having Nvidia drivers and files on your computer which caused conflicts..........another user error but blamed on ATI yet again. LOL.

Funny all the hundreds of review sites and not one of them has ever mentioned bad ATI drivers or problems with ATI drivers. Amazing isnt it.

Crossfire problems will always exist. They just dont care enough, just ask anybody using two 4870X2's. But AMD sure is quick to market that Spider and Dragon platform.

The 2 card scailing is good....if you can find a game that actually supports crossfire.

And your point is? Everyone is talking up how good their drivers are and this should not be an exception. Nvidia drivers have been right from the get go with win 7. As I have stated that both companies have problems. Funny how the fan boys will find a way to defend their fav no matter what. I run both nvidia and Ati side by side in seperate computers. I see the issues with both when they happen.

Why should I give ati the leeway to not work on their drivers just because a program is in the final beta. You are pretty bad fanboy and get offended and bitchy when someone does not agree with you. You really should grow up and see the whole world around you. I can not stand fanboys that are blind to the whole world and spout crap out thier ars like it is gospel. If you can not accept that there are issues with both companies you really have no buisness giving crap advise. Not to mention being civil on a public family forum.

To be a fanboy one has to blindly love one over the other. I am far from a fanboy. I look at facts and offer my customers based on their needs not preferences. I see good and bad in both ati, nvidia, intel,amd, and pretty much all parts.For personal use I will use all the products. I buy the fastest at the time no matter who it is made by. I have recommended the 4870, 4890, gtx 260, and gtx 285 all based on needs. I am just tired of people thinking the fotm in infallible.

If the games you play have better performance with the 4890 then I would not hesitate to go for it. You could even oc it and get performance closer to the gtx 285 without paying the extra money.

Oh no.....lol......so crossfire and windows 7 has some bugs........Windows 7 isnt even released......I see your grasping at straws now.....still not making any valid points......walks away shaking head.

^agree

For multi-GPU setups SLI is clearly the way to go due to its huge amount of support across titles. However ATI does have better bang for the buck single GPU solutions usually.

Thats not what I ment. I ment the number of titles that support Crossfire is extremely low, or enough to make it worthwhile. Its the sole reason why I ditched my 4850 CF setup, it was a total waste in every sense.

I'd have to agree spath here.

I mean most ppl I see typing information purely on faith and company patterns, which we all know business isn't a pattern, its an evolution and an adaptive approach.

LIke I said, each company has its disadvantages, Nvidia doesn't like giving the user everything they can get out of their price (example 275 GTX can't sli with the 295 GTX, forced nvidia chipsets and no 4 physical card support are some), while ATI just can't get it together with drivers, and still hasn't gottent he full use of their quad fire 4870 X2 which is lacking, and who ever says its flawless is kidding themselves.

Ppl can't see the problems with each company.

And yes I've seen the increase in the ATI fanbase, just like I saw the increase in Nvidia fanbase when the 8800 series came out.

We'll see either another shift with the 300 sereis or the 5000s or an increase in ATI faith from the 4000 series.

Its always going to be like that, the 4000 series was underestimated by Nvidia, I'd give the win to the 4000s for this semester, but I still think that there are more Nvidia owners out there than ATI owners, so over all I still think Nvidia is on top for both money made and market share.

I might get flamed by that, but its opinion and what I've seen.

it sure looks like it for steam owners:

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

64.72% nVIDIA 27.25% ATI

So I'd say Nvidia for steam owners is about 40% more market share than ATI.

I dunno frankly I don't care, I think console gaming is more quality in my opinion, what pissed me off was when I found out that FIFA 09 for PC is a ps2 port no widescreen nothing...I just lost faith...a ps2 port, a port off a 10 yr old console system. My lord!

Frankly I don't care , its true. Driver support isn't there, Considering most stayed with 8.12 + hotfix till either 9.3 or 9.4.

I'm not saying it can't get better, but its not there.

I know for sure I'll get shreded, but it will be with empty words, and no1 can say that ATi has been more consistent with driver than Nvidia.

Neither company has amazing drivers, but there is 1 company that has lesser than that.
Thats half the reason I dropped the 4870 X2, and am buying the 4770 ATI asap.

a good example of a blind fanboy:

heres what anandtech has to say before the 8.12 hotfix:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3463

amazing indeed. i dont see any reason why an individual would be so "emotionally attached" to ati/nvidia, well unless they're working for them. but other than that, it really fails.